Class 2A-State--Who do you have?

[terrehawk]

Looks to me like it's: (team, qualifiers)




13 FDSE (10 Individual, 3 relays)
13 West Marshall (8 Individual, 5 relays)
12 Monticello (10 individual, 2 relays)
11 Beckman (5 Individual, 6 relays)

Beckman may be the favorite at this point. I wouldn't count FDSE or WM out. Monticello is capable of scoring big as well.

It's obvious some events weren't stacked or pushed at Districts with the idea to just get the event state and juggle things around. It will be very interesting


who you got?

 

[PNation]

I really have to go with Beckman, I don't see West Marshall beating them do to the fact that they rely upon sprints and I feel that Beckman has better sprinters. St. Eds with their distance guys may have a shot.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Right now based on top 5 performances showing on quikstats:

Beckman- 57 pts
St. Eds- 30 pts

 

[fb247365]

FDSE will be in the mid 40's or higher. They will move guys around and score big.

 

[terrehawk]

Is it going to hurt FDSE to not be in the fast heat in the 4x8 and the distance medley?

It looks like they would likely move a few things around and anchor Flattery in these 2 events now that they got the events to state but will this hurt them by not ending up in the faster heat? Are they fast enough without competition in the heat to still win those 2? Not to mention Flattery isn't in the fast heat in the 400 but has the 3rd fastest time coming in.

Their fastest recorded times in these events aren't near the top but you'd assume that they would be right there come state track time and making a few moves.
This post was edited on 5/14 3:25 PM by terrehawk

 

[mtdew_fever]

St Ed's should still have a very good chance to win the 1600m if N Flattery anchors even in the slower heat. They should be at least one other team that will run around 3:38 to push them along.

On the 4x800, I wouldn't put St Ed's as the favorite to win even if the were in the fast heat. There is a ton of depth in the 2a field.

 

[bdrube]

I'd agree with you fever on the 4x8. I would have run Neil in 3 open events and the medley. SE has a good team, but clearly are not as deep as they have been in the 400/800 this year as they have been the last few. If all goes well, they will definitely be competing for the title, but they don't have much room for error.

 

[i am the runner]

cg looks as the team to win the med with davis bringing it home in that event.

 

[mtdew_fever]

In looking further, if we are looking at just the 1600M, all three heats will have at least one team running 3:38 or faster. I could see Mt Vernon out of heat 3 winning.

 

[terrehawk]

Originally posted by PNation:
I really have to go with Beckman, I don't see West Marshall beating them do to the fact that they rely upon sprints and I feel that Beckman has better sprinters. St. Eds with their distance guys may have a shot.

Ummm.......

 

[Impossible Is Nothing]

I scored Saturday, using prelim results as seeds for the events that had prelims, and season-best times for the 800 and 1600. Results are below along with my notes. Please note this is only hypothetical.

1. West Marshall, 48 pts
Projected Saturday results: 100-8th; 200-4th, 7th; 4x100-3rd; 4x400-1st

2. FD St. Edmond, 45 pts
Projected results: 800-1st; 1600-3rd
Have a second qualifier in 800 (rank: 22) and 1600 (rank: 19)

3. Mount Vernon, 41 pts
Projected results: 800-2nd; 4x400-2nd
Have a qualifier in 1600 (rank: 20)

4. Monticello, 37 pts
Projected results: 1600-4th, 5th; 4x400-7th
Have two qualifiers in 800 (ranks: 12, 16)

5. Dyersville Beckman, 31 pts
Projected results: Shuttle hurdle-2nd; 110 Hurdles-7th; 200-3rd; 4x100-2nd

Obviously, still a lot to be decided. West Marshall has some margin for error (at least compared to the other teams), but one dropped baton could really change the outlook of the team race.

 

[terrehawk]

West Marshall won the state title today in the 4x200. this is the 3rd straight year they have won the 4x200 crown. Someone said this is the first time it's been done 3 times in a row in the 4x200. Can anyone confirm this?
This post was edited on 5/18 5:36 PM by terrehawk

 

[Black_Dragon]

Originally posted by terrehawk:
West Marshall won the state title today in the 4x200. this is the 3rd straight year they have won the 4x200 crown. Someone said this is the first time it's been done 3 times in a row in the 4x200. Can anyone confirm this?
This post was edited on 5/18 5:36 PM by terrehawk

That would be incorrect Dyersville Beckman took home the 4x2 title 3 straight years from 2005-2007.

 

[terrehawk]

Originally posted by Impossible Is Nothing:
I scored Saturday, using prelim results as seeds for the events that had prelims, and season-best times for the 800 and 1600. Results are below along with my notes. Please note this is only hypothetical.

1. West Marshall, 48 pts
Projected Saturday results: 100-8th; 200-4th, 7th; 4x100-3rd; 4x400-1st

2. FD St. Edmond, 45 pts
Projected results: 800-1st; 1600-3rd
Have a second qualifier in 800 (rank: 22) and 1600 (rank: 19)

3. Mount Vernon, 41 pts
Projected results: 800-2nd; 4x400-2nd
Have a qualifier in 1600 (rank: 20)

4. Monticello, 37 pts
Projected results: 1600-4th, 5th; 4x400-7th
Have two qualifiers in 800 (ranks: 12, 16)

5. Dyersville Beckman, 31 pts
Projected results: Shuttle hurdle-2nd; 110 Hurdles-7th; 200-3rd; 4x100-2nd

Obviously, still a lot to be decided. West Marshall has some margin for error (at least compared to the other teams), but one dropped baton could really change the outlook of the team race.

Interesting. Thanks for posting.

So, the maximum that FDSE can score (assuming their other entries don't place) would be 49 points.

Mt Vernon's maximum total (assuming that their 1600 guy doesn't score) would be 45 points.

Monticello's maximum total could be in the low 50's but it's probably a pretty long shot to get to 50. Probably more realistic to be in the mid 40's

Beckman's maximum total would be low 40's at best.

West Marshall's point total can vary wildly. They could go from the projected 48 points all the way up to possibly the upper 50's if things went perfectly.
Now,not counting dropping any batons etc or getting DQ'd, they could end up in the mid 30's if things fell apart somehow. I'd say they are likely to either hit their projection or be on either side a handful of points.

Like the last few years,(in particular 2 years ago when Solon edged out WM for the title by a couple points) it could come right down to the last few events.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by terrehawk:

Originally posted by Impossible Is Nothing:
I scored Saturday, using prelim results as seeds for the events that had prelims, and season-best times for the 800 and 1600. Results are below along with my notes. Please note this is only hypothetical.

1. West Marshall, 48 pts
Projected Saturday results: 100-8th; 200-4th, 7th; 4x100-3rd; 4x400-1st

2. FD St. Edmond, 45 pts
Projected results: 800-1st; 1600-3rd
Have a second qualifier in 800 (rank: 22) and 1600 (rank: 19)

3. Mount Vernon, 41 pts
Projected results: 800-2nd; 4x400-2nd
Have a qualifier in 1600 (rank: 20)

4. Monticello, 37 pts
Projected results: 1600-4th, 5th; 4x400-7th
Have two qualifiers in 800 (ranks: 12, 16)

5. Dyersville Beckman, 31 pts
Projected results: Shuttle hurdle-2nd; 110 Hurdles-7th; 200-3rd; 4x100-2nd

Obviously, still a lot to be decided. West Marshall has some margin for error (at least compared to the other teams), but one dropped baton could really change the outlook of the team race.

Interesting. Thanks for posting.

So, the maximum that FDSE can score (assuming their other entries don't place) would be 49 points.

Mt Vernon's maximum total (assuming that their 1600 guy doesn't score) would be 45 points.

Monticello's maximum total could be in the low 50's but it's probably a pretty long shot to get to 50. Probably more realistic to be in the mid 40's

Beckman's maximum total would be low 40's at best.

West Marshall's point total can vary wildly. They could go from the projected 48 points all the way up to possibly the upper 50's if things went perfectly.
Now,not counting dropping any batons etc or getting DQ'd, they could end up in the mid 30's if things fell apart somehow. I'd say they are likely to either hit their projection or be on either side a handful of points.

Like the last few years,(in particular 2 years ago when Solon edged out WM for the title by a couple points) it could come right down to the last few events.

If you were talking maximum pts, then you'd have to assume the best possible finish for each racer/event (which is 1st/and 2nd, etc for additional runners).

SE could score a total of 36 pts tomorrow if Flattery and Kolacia won and Reel finished 2nd in both events. That'd leave them with 65 total.

West Marshall could get 1st in 4 events and a 2nd. 48 pts max could leave them with 72 total.

 

[terrehawk]

With 4x1 and 4x4 to go, here are standings.

FDSE 38
W Marshall 36
Mt Vernon 35
Monticello 33

Beckman 25


FDSE has no events remaining

WM has 4x1 (3rd seed) 4x4 (1st seed)

MV has 4x4 (2nd seed)

Monti has 4x4 (7th seed)

DB has 4x1 (1st seed)

 

[Impossible Is Nothing]

West Marshall needs to finish at least fifth in the 4x400 to clinch first place outright, or have Mount Vernon finish third or lower.

If Mount Vernon gets second in the 4x4, West Marshall would need to finish seventh or better to avoid a tie for the team title.

Any sort of DQ by West Marshall opens the door for Mount Vernon to win the team championship (would still need to get at least second in the 4x4).

Monticello is still technically in it for first place, but would need a miracle.
This post was edited on 5/19 3:32 PM by Impossible Is Nothing

 

[Impossible Is Nothing]

Also, how about the Cascade girls? In line to score ~80 points without any field events.

 

[terrehawk]

West Marshall wins the title finishing 3rd in the 4x4 despite josh bunn, the anchor battling a ham string injury. Gutted it out.

 

[fb247365]

What a great run by West Marshall and FDSE over the last 4 years.
WM went 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, and 1st and FDSE went 1st, 4th, 1st, and 2nd (tie) in the team standings over that time period. Between them, they around 20 event champions (WM had 9, did not count FDSE) and at least a couple of State records. Congrats to both teams and let the reloading begin!

 

[terrehawk]

2a had quite a few better times etc than 3a and several better than or close to 4A.

This usually happens in a few events but this year seems much more than usual.

 

[swaledale]

Regarding the 4x2 comments made earlier. I spoke with someone that is close friends with the WM assistant track coach and he said in that span of 3 years WM won the 4x2 they only lost once to South Tama at the conference meet this year. That is pretty remarkable to lose only one race in 3 years.

 

[terrehawk]

BTW, that 4x200 loss by WM at the conference meet with S Tama was without Josh Bunn who was injured (still injured at state but gutted it out) and had WM's fastest 200 time on the year (before state) and without Streeter who was on the 3 state champ 4x200 teams. So without 1/2 the relay team that day.

WM has had an outstanding group of sprinters the past 4 years. Easily the best in 2A from the 100 to the 4x4 over last 4 years.

At least 8 guys from this current group have run 23 or better in the 200 (or splits) and at least 7 who have run 53 or under in the 400 (or splits) and 5 under 51.
This post was edited on 5/24 4:03 PM by terrehawk

 

[DarkThunder#61]

I don't know about the 4x400.

SE-
2009: 1st 2A state record
2010: 1st (4th consecutive)
2011: 2nd
2012: 23rd prelims (could not run all their fastest 400 guys, Neil Flattery)

WM-
2009: 2nd
2010: DNQ
2011: DQ in finals
2012: 3rd

 

[terrehawk]

From 100 to 4x400 as a whole WM has had the best group of sprinters over the last 4 years. Sure, you can cherry pick out an event or a group but overall, hands down, it's WM

BTW, the 4X400 that was DQ'd in 2011 finished 2nd. This allowed FDSE to move up from 3rd to 2nd (WM's 2nd runner crossed over line to get DQ'd. Yes, a DQ is a DQ but they were legitimately the 2nd fastest) Not to mention, Bunn, the 2012 anchor was injured and gutted out his 400 and knew at the 300 yd mark that WM had the team title locked up so he cruised to the end. Otherwise, 2nd place was doable for them. Had similar scenario in prelims and he passed the same kid.)



And, the best 2 of those years for FDSE were 3 & 4 yrs ago. The only kid from 2012 on those groups would be Neil.

Even with Kolacia it wouldn't have mattered this year in the 4x400. (those are their "fastest" guys BTW)


St. Edmond, Fort Dodge 3:30.29 Humboldt 05/07/2012
Kolton Rottinghaus Aaron Mc Elroy Cory Angstrom Neil Flattery





So the 4x400 is easily arguable with this 2012 class





This post was edited on 5/25 9:36 AM by terrehawk

 

[DarkThunder#61]

You're using the fact that they're strong sprinters to make one event look better even though the results at state say otherwise...if we're arguing a 4-yr period and not just one yr with a specific group of kids.

If the 4x4 is easily arguable then your comment that from the 100 to 4x4 is arguable because they didn't even make state in the 4x4 in 2010. Unless you want to talk about the last two years...which wouldn't be a 4-yr period, but still, it's something.

I'd agree with you if you said 100 to 4x200, though.

 

[circleherk1]

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This post was edited on 5/25 4:17 PM by circleherk1

 

[bdrube]

100-4x4 as a whole Id agree that it has been WM. But, based off of results and going over the last 4 years if we are talking strictly 4x4, the only easy argument is that SE has clearly been the best 4x4. Kind of silly to say over the last 4 years, then bring up Saint Edmond's two best years as 3 and 4 years ago like that is a negative thing. The top 2 times in 2a history posted with 2 separate teams clearly show SE has had the best 4x4 teams over the last 4 years, even with this year's team only getting 23rd.

 

[clyde_williams]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:
You're using the fact that they're strong sprinters to make one event look better even though the results at state say otherwise...if we're arguing a 4-yr period and not just one yr with a specific group of kids.

If the 4x4 is easily arguable then your comment that from the 100 to 4x4 is arguable because they didn't even make state in the 4x4 in 2010. Unless you want to talk about the last two years...which wouldn't be a 4-yr period, but still, it's something.

I'd agree with you if you said 100 to 4x200, though.

Certainly would have to agree with Dark Thunder here. As much as I admire and respect the athleticism of West Marshall; with respect to "who's best" in the 4x4 over the past 4 year period, St. Ed takes the honors with two first place finishes and a silver. One runner-up medal, a non-qualifier year, a disqualification and a third place finish hardly passes muster for excellence in this particular event.

 

[tigercat9]

2012
SE: 3:31.20
WM: 3:24.34 (3rd)

2011
SE: 3:22.98 (3rd)
WM: DQ (2nd)

2010
SE: 3:22.09 (1st)
WM: DNQ (DQ'd in Districts)

2009:
SE: 3:20.32 (1st)
WM: 3:22.42 (2nd)

2008
SE: 3:23.42 (1st)
WM: 3:33.19

2007
SE: 3:24.28 (1st)
WM: 3:42.99

2006
SE: 3:24.51 (3rd)
WM: DNQ for State

2005
SE: 3:28.89 (6th)
WM: DNQ for State

2004
SE: 3:31.59 (7th)
WM: 3:36.27

Here's a list of the last years of State. All times are listed as finals unless the team didn't make the final with the exception of this year. St. Edmond obviously has had the better 4x400 run, but WM easily takes the 100 and 200 relay's. I believe WM and SE both have a decent number of 4x200 top 3 finishes in the past 5 or so years for that event.