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Mount Pleasant #1 in 3A ???

Jan 29, 2018
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Class 3A
Record
Pts Prv
1. Mount Pleasant (4) 15-3 73 2
2. Xavier, Cedar Rapids (3) 12-5 64 3
(tie) Oskaloosa (1) 16-2 64 1
4. Norwalk 16-2 61 5
5. Glenwood 16-2 48 4
6. Spirit Lake 13-4 40 6
7. Charles City 16-2 28 7
8. Le Mars 12-5 12 NR
9. West Delaware, Manchester 14-5 11 NR
10. Assumption, Davenport 9-8 9 10
Others receiving votes: Clear Lake 7. Sergeant Bluff-Luton 6. Bishop Heelan Catholic, Sioux City 6. Harlan 4. Waverly-Shell Rock 3. Winterset 2. South Tama County, Tama 2.

Maybe I'm missing something here. They are ahead of the the 2 time defending state champs who beat them head to head at their place earlier this year. Other than beating Charles City they don't have a quality win on their schedule this season. Oskaloosa or Xavier should be #1. I would put Mount Pleasant at #5 at best - they are an average team that plays in a weak conference. They got a favorable district draw but maybe Solon can give them a game. Who are these voters?
 
Class 3A
Record
Pts Prv
1. Mount Pleasant (4) 15-3 73 2
2. Xavier, Cedar Rapids (3) 12-5 64 3
(tie) Oskaloosa (1) 16-2 64 1
4. Norwalk 16-2 61 5
5. Glenwood 16-2 48 4
6. Spirit Lake 13-4 40 6
7. Charles City 16-2 28 7
8. Le Mars 12-5 12 NR
9. West Delaware, Manchester 14-5 11 NR
10. Assumption, Davenport 9-8 9 10
Others receiving votes: Clear Lake 7. Sergeant Bluff-Luton 6. Bishop Heelan Catholic, Sioux City 6. Harlan 4. Waverly-Shell Rock 3. Winterset 2. South Tama County, Tama 2.

Maybe I'm missing something here. They are ahead of the the 2 time defending state champs who beat them head to head at their place earlier this year. Other than beating Charles City they don't have a quality win on their schedule this season. Oskaloosa or Xavier should be #1. I would put Mount Pleasant at #5 at best - they are an average team that plays in a weak conference. They got a favorable district draw but maybe Solon can give them a game. Who are these voters?
Few thoughts on this one: BCMoore has Xavier #1, MP #2 and Osky #3. I have seen all 3 of these team play and in my humble opinion Osky is really good and will probably win state if they get there. MP is solid, state tourney team last year. But they had a 6'7 or so Australian exchange student(funny how we gripe when private schools get foreign exchange students but it's cool for public schools). MP doesn't have much height this year, but they have some really talented guards who can score. They do have a weak schedule but it looks like they have tried to up it by getting some 4A teams in there this season. Xavier is tough with their one-two punch but it looks like they really need a 3rd or 4th option to score if they want to bring home the goods again this year. Osky, Xavier, Norwalk then MP for best team in 3A. And can't forget about Heelan, I live on the east side of the state so don't know much about them but historically they have been good. Forget the rankings for now...only rankings that matter are the ones at the end of the year. They did get a favorable district, but so did Xavier...
 
Mt. Pleasant is ok. 3a looks like Osky and Xavier. The two teams that were looking good Heelan and Wahlert vs tough schedules just lost too many times to count on even getting there.
 
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I was going to wait another week or so before I tossed in my rankings in 3A, but this is a pretty interesting thread, so here goes-- what the heck. First of all, I don't go by what the Iowa Newspaper Assn or IowaPreps.com (sorry) says about who is better than who (or whom). Most of the people who cast votes have seen only a small number of the good teams in their area. I go almost entirely by two factors: 1) Is this really an experienced, strong team with good guards and a dominant inside man or two, and 2) Who do they play? What is their strength of schedule? Two months ago, the B.C. Moore rankings meant nothing; now they are the top predicter, and pretty accurate. The last four 3A champs had lousy records, but played a ton of good teams, winning at least half. They also had the #1 and #2 toughest schedules every year. So, being a prep basketball junkie, who do I think is the top ten?
(Remember it is only one man's opinion.)

1. Cedar Rapids Xavier. They are mostly Mimms and Joens, but no other 3A team has two players so dominant. The other starters aren't stars, but they are excellent athletes. Ever watch Schulte play quarterback? Wow. Well, he helps quarterback their team. And they have one of the top coaches in 3A in my opinion. Plus, they are undefeated against 3A teams, albeit a small sample. At 13-5 right now in the MVC, that is the equivalent of being undefeated in any 3A conference.
2., 3., and 4-- Oskaloosa, Mt. Pleasant and Norwalk are all capable of winning it all. Looking at Oskaloosa physically, it appears they would walk away with the title. They are not only imposing in size, they are quick, agile and balanced. They have two losses, but they were to two strong teams, and they've fought through some tough narrow wins. This team could win it all, but having seen them twice, I just get the feeling that they need to be tougher and more physical- now.
Mt. Pleasant is the team, with Xavier, that I picked to possibly win it all early in the year. They have the experience and talent to pull it off. I said early that they are on a mission this year and that determination may carry them to the Promised Land. They have the guards to do it, and lack of height may be out-weighed by their toughness and senior leadership.
Norwalk is another team that right now is 17-2, I think, and has a fairly tough schedule. They beat Osky at home in a tight one, and they are well-coached. It would not shock me if they prevailed at state.

After these top four, I think the contenders really drop off, but here goes:
5. Sioux City Heelan hasn't made noise for quite a while, but used to be a regular at state. They have piled up a lot of losses, but they do play an extremely difficult schedule. But, like another poster said or implied, 8 losses in the last 11 games is a little much. Hazekamp is a beast, but it takes a team effort to get very far at state. If they get to Des Moines, they could cause trouble.
6. Glenwood. I hear they have a nice team, but in this day and age, you have to be beat up a little throughout the season to endure at state, and I just don't know. A lot of people will be pulling for them.
7. Davenport Assumption has won 9 of their last 12, and play in a power conference. They have a terrific guard in Trent Fitzpatrick and height with Dylan Peeters. They will be a tough out, especially if the state rewards them with two games on their home court, like last year!
8. West Delaware. Krogman and company have had an up and down year, and started the season a bit shaky, but they have come on fairly strong in the last several weeks. They've won 14 of their last 17 in a decent conference, and will be a tough out.
9. Waverly-Shell-Rock. Blessed with a fairly easy substate, they will be in if they can power past Charles City. Again, they are blessed with good guards with Velky and compatriots. Plus, good coaching.
10. Dubuque Wahlert. With 5 starters back from last year's team that missed going to state with a loss at the hands of CR Xavier in the substate finals, veteran coach Tom English promoted some talented sophomore guards to the varsity and also has the 6-9 nephew of former Wahlert, University of Iowa and Houston Rockets' starter, Kevin Kunnert, in the form of Sam Gruhl, who makes things interesting on defense. Wahlert is 4-0 against 3A competition, including a win over Osky, but have been struggling on defense against the #1 toughest schedule in 3A. Wins have been few, but this team could upset almost anyone on any given night on a neutral court.
 
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I was going to wait another week or so before I tossed in my rankings in 3A, but this is a pretty interesting thread, so here goes-- what the heck. First of all, I don't go by what the Iowa Newspaper Assn or IowaPreps.com (sorry) says about who is better than who (or whom). Most of the people who cast votes have seen only a small number of the good teams in their area. I go almost entirely by two factors: 1) Is this really an experienced, strong team with good guards and a dominant inside man or two, and 2) Who do they play? What is their strength of schedule? Two months ago, the B.C. Moore rankings meant nothing; now they are the top predicter, and pretty accurate. The last four 3A champs had lousy records, but played a ton of good teams, winning at least half. They also had the #1 and #2 toughest schedules every year. So, being a prep basketball junkie, who do I think is the top ten?
(Remember it is only one man's opinion.)

1. Cedar Rapids Xavier. They are mostly Mimms and Joens, but no other 3A team has two players so dominant. The other starters aren't stars, but they are excellent athletes. Ever watch Schulte play quarterback? Wow. Well, he helps quarterback their team. And they have one of the top coaches in 3A in my opinion. Plus, they are undefeated against 3A teams, albeit a small sample. At 13-5 right now in the MVC, that is the equivalent of being undefeated in any 3A conference.
2., 3., and 4-- Oskaloosa, Mt. Pleasant and Norwalk are all capable of winning it all. Looking at Oskaloosa physically, it appears they would walk away with the title. They are not only imposing in size, they are quick, agile and balanced. They have two losses, but they were to two strong teams, and they've fought through some tough narrow wins. This team could win it all, but having seen them twice, I just get the feeling that they need to be tougher and more physical- now.
Mt. Pleasant is the team, with Xavier, that I picked to possibly win it all early in the year. They have the experience and talent to pull it off. I said early that they are on a mission this year and that determination may carry them to the Promised Land. They have the guards to do it, and lack of height may be out-weighed by their toughness and senior leadership.
Norwalk is another team that right now is 17-2, I think, and has a fairly tough schedule. They beat Osky at home in a tight one, and they are well-coached. It would not shock me if they prevailed at state.

After these top four, I think the contenders really drop off, but here goes:
5. Sioux City Heelan hasn't made noise for quite a while, but used to be a regular at state. They have piled up a lot of losses, but they do play an extremely difficult schedule. But, like another poster said or implied, 8 losses in the last 11 games is a little much. Hazekamp is a beast, but it takes a team effort to get very far at state. If they get to Des Moines, they could cause trouble.
6. Glenwood. I hear they have a nice team, but in this day and age, you have to be beat up a little throughout the season to endure at state, and I just don't know. A lot of people will be pulling for them.
7. Davenport Assumption has won 9 of their last 12, and play in a power conference. They have a terrific guard in Trent Fitzpatrick and height with Dylan Peeters. They will be a tough out, especially if the state rewards them with two games on their home court, like last year!
8. West Delaware. Krogman and company have had an up and down year, and started the season a bit shaky, but they have come on fairly strong in the last several weeks. They've won 14 of their last 17 in a decent conference, and will be a tough out.
9. Waverly-Shell-Rock. Blessed with a fairly easy substate, they will be in if they can power past Charles City. Again, they are blessed with good guards with Velky and compatriots. Plus, good coaching.
10. Dubuque Wahlert. With 5 starters back from last year's team that missed going to state with a loss at the hands of CR Xavier in the substate finals, veteran coach Tom English promoted some talented sophomore guards to the varsity and also has the 6-9 nephew of former Wahlert, University of Iowa and Houston Rockets' starter, Kevin Kunnert, in the form of Sam Gruhl, who makes things interesting on defense. Wahlert is 4-0 against 3A competition, including a win over Osky, but have been struggling on defense against the #1 toughest schedule in 3A. Wins have been few, but this team could upset almost anyone on any given night on a neutral court.

I would agree with everything you said here ...spot on. Also a couple of the Heelan losses here in the last week happened while Hazekamp and a couple other were sick and did not play. 3A could be interesting if these top 8 make it to DM. I said earlier that if Osky doesn’t win it this year I have them as a huge favorite for next year.
 
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I was going to wait another week or so before I tossed in my rankings in 3A, but this is a pretty interesting thread, so here goes-- what the heck. First of all, I don't go by what the Iowa Newspaper Assn or IowaPreps.com (sorry) says about who is better than who (or whom). Most of the people who cast votes have seen only a small number of the good teams in their area. I go almost entirely by two factors: 1) Is this really an experienced, strong team with good guards and a dominant inside man or two, and 2) Who do they play? What is their strength of schedule? Two months ago, the B.C. Moore rankings meant nothing; now they are the top predicter, and pretty accurate. The last four 3A champs had lousy records, but played a ton of good teams, winning at least half. They also had the #1 and #2 toughest schedules every year. So, being a prep basketball junkie, who do I think is the top ten?
(Remember it is only one man's opinion.)

1. Cedar Rapids Xavier. They are mostly Mimms and Joens, but no other 3A team has two players so dominant. The other starters aren't stars, but they are excellent athletes. Ever watch Schulte play quarterback? Wow. Well, he helps quarterback their team. And they have one of the top coaches in 3A in my opinion. Plus, they are undefeated against 3A teams, albeit a small sample. At 13-5 right now in the MVC, that is the equivalent of being undefeated in any 3A conference.
2., 3., and 4-- Oskaloosa, Mt. Pleasant and Norwalk are all capable of winning it all. Looking at Oskaloosa physically, it appears they would walk away with the title. They are not only imposing in size, they are quick, agile and balanced. They have two losses, but they were to two strong teams, and they've fought through some tough narrow wins. This team could win it all, but having seen them twice, I just get the feeling that they need to be tougher and more physical- now.
Mt. Pleasant is the team, with Xavier, that I picked to possibly win it all early in the year. They have the experience and talent to pull it off. I said early that they are on a mission this year and that determination may carry them to the Promised Land. They have the guards to do it, and lack of height may be out-weighed by their toughness and senior leadership.
Norwalk is another team that right now is 17-2, I think, and has a fairly tough schedule. They beat Osky at home in a tight one, and they are well-coached. It would not shock me if they prevailed at state.

After these top four, I think the contenders really drop off, but here goes:
5. Sioux City Heelan hasn't made noise for quite a while, but used to be a regular at state. They have piled up a lot of losses, but they do play an extremely difficult schedule. But, like another poster said or implied, 8 losses in the last 11 games is a little much. Hazekamp is a beast, but it takes a team effort to get very far at state. If they get to Des Moines, they could cause trouble.
6. Glenwood. I hear they have a nice team, but in this day and age, you have to be beat up a little throughout the season to endure at state, and I just don't know. A lot of people will be pulling for them.
7. Davenport Assumption has won 9 of their last 12, and play in a power conference. They have a terrific guard in Trent Fitzpatrick and height with Dylan Peeters. They will be a tough out, especially if the state rewards them with two games on their home court, like last year!
8. West Delaware. Krogman and company have had an up and down year, and started the season a bit shaky, but they have come on fairly strong in the last several weeks. They've won 14 of their last 17 in a decent conference, and will be a tough out.
9. Waverly-Shell-Rock. Blessed with a fairly easy substate, they will be in if they can power past Charles City. Again, they are blessed with good guards with Velky and compatriots. Plus, good coaching.
10. Dubuque Wahlert. With 5 starters back from last year's team that missed going to state with a loss at the hands of CR Xavier in the substate finals, veteran coach Tom English promoted some talented sophomore guards to the varsity and also has the 6-9 nephew of former Wahlert, University of Iowa and Houston Rockets' starter, Kevin Kunnert, in the form of Sam Gruhl, who makes things interesting on defense. Wahlert is 4-0 against 3A competition, including a win over Osky, but have been struggling on defense against the #1 toughest schedule in 3A. Wins have been few, but this team could upset almost anyone on any given night on a neutral court.
Very well said, much better than my quick synopsis. Bottom line, there could be 5-7 teams who could win it all if they get hot at the right time. Will be a fun few weeks to watch!
 
MP beat Osky by 30 last year in the substate, Yes Osky is better but I would still take MP heads up. The guard play from MP is much better than Osky's and in my mind you win high school championships with Superior guard play. I look for MP or Xavier to bring home title.
 
19,22 and substate 26

I just hope the top 5 teams make as I want to see their talent as I have not seen all of them...

I saw Heelan play against Omaha Central, one of the top teams in Nebraska. They had a 6'6 guy inside who was tall and thin but could shoot and get around Hazekamp. I thought he dominated Hazekamp, Heelan's best player, and they dominated them the entire game. They did shoot pretty good though, and Heelan did not shoot well.
 
I saw Heelan play against Omaha Central, one of the top teams in Nebraska. They had a 6'6 guy inside who was tall and thin but could shoot and get around Hazekamp. I thought he dominated Hazekamp, Heelan's best player, and they dominated them the entire game. They did shoot pretty good though, and Heelan did not shoot well.

That was one of Heelan's worst efforts in years, and started a puzzling downswing in their season. If they'd played that team before the holiday break, it likely would have been a very different story. They should bounce back & start playing well again when they need to.
 
Heelan puzzling is right. A lot of close losses to good teams you would think a veteran team would win most of those, not continue to lose them. Looks as if effort from some players is lacking, almost as if they don't care. Hopefully, Hazekamp can get them to turn it around and get to state. That district is relatively weak.
 
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Few thoughts on this one: BCMoore has Xavier #1, MP #2 and Osky #3. I have seen all 3 of these team play and in my humble opinion Osky is really good and will probably win state if they get there. MP is solid, state tourney team last year. But they had a 6'7 or so Australian exchange student(funny how we gripe when private schools get foreign exchange students but it's cool for public schools). MP doesn't have much height this year, but they have some really talented guards who can score. They do have a weak schedule but it looks like they have tried to up it by getting some 4A teams in there this season. Xavier is tough with their one-two punch but it looks like they really need a 3rd or 4th option to score if they want to bring home the goods again this year. Osky, Xavier, Norwalk then MP for best team in 3A. And can't forget about Heelan, I live on the east side of the state so don't know much about them but historically they have been good. Forget the rankings for now...only rankings that matter are the ones at the end of the year. They did get a favorable district, but so did Xavier...


I don't think anyone ever gripes when private schools get foreign exchange students (Can private schools even get exchange students?). We gripe when private schools create super teams in the lower classes by using 4A talent. I'm sure the MP coach isn't making trips to Australia to recruit high school basketball players.

MP actually has a pretty decent schedule this year and has only lost to 4A teams and Xavier, so I don't know how it's a surprise they would be at least top two.

Xavier is definitely the favorite again as I've said before on here private schools are always the favorites because they'll always have an influx of big city kids when they have a hole. I still think Xavier/Wahlert/Assumption/Heelan will win probably 90% of the state titles in 3A boys' basketball until someone finally explains multipliers to the IAHSAA heads. This may be the one year where a public school sneaks in with MP, Oskaloosa and Norwalk all looking really good.

It will be interesting to see how Oskaloosa fairs because I think 3A is super strong on guards and a little weak on posts and Oskaloosa is totally the opposite of that. It would be really cool to get to see those kids play in Des Moines, but Osky didn't get a great draw (compared to MP and Xavier) on districts. They'll have a couple of tough outs.
 
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I believe that Xavier and Wahlert have no transfer or exchange students in their starting rotations. I believe that they have all been in the program since the start of their freshman year and most, earlier. Wahlert, by staying in the same conference they've been in for decades, with a dwindling enrollment, now is faced with perpetual losing records unless a local kid like Pemsl, who has been in the program since grade school, like his parents and grandparents before him, comes along. When you have a star player, naturally some other kids want to follow, but Wahlert has had losing records a couple years before and ever since Pemsl left. It's okay if Iowa City West builds a power team, or many other public schools. When Mike Gatens played for City High in Iowa City and they won the title, he was the only starter who wasn't a transfer student!! When Kriener was at Spirit Lake (a transfer), another transfer followed. Lots of other examples. Wahlert has had two foreign exchange students who played basketball in their 58-year history (one rarely played) and one was a transfer from Senior, which has had four or five exchange students who played in the last decade. Nothing wrong with that, I guess. If there is an all-city team in Dubuque this year, there is a chance that no Wahlert player will be on the team, because all the top players are in the public schools, for the most part. And it doesn't change in the upcoming classes, where Senior and Hempstead are absolutely loaded, and have probably the two best players from Mazzuchelli Catholic-- Sam Link and Michael Duax who transfered into the public system this year, which nobody is complaining about. Wonderful kids whose parents can send their kids to whichever school they want, like all other parents.

Okay, now back to Mt. Pleasant. At the beginning of the season, I said that either Mt. Pleasant or Xavier would contend for the title (with an edge to Xavier), and I still believe that. Why?-- Well, MP has terrific guards and loads of experience. CRX has also excellent guards and vital experience. Generally, you need good guards to win the championship. Osky, which has the best overall talent of a 3A team, could win also, and if they don't, they will be the absolutely overwhelming favorite the next two years, when Mt. Pleasant, Xavier and Wahlert are all going to lose the hearts of their teams. And how about some credit to their coaches, who are excellent coaches and hard-working, honest leaders of young men.
 
Heelan puzzling is right. A lot of close losses to good teams you would think a veteran team would win most of those, not continue to lose them. Looks as if effort from some players is lacking, almost as if they don't care. Hopefully, Hazekamp can get them to turn it around and get to state. That district is relatively weak.

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I believe that Xavier and Wahlert have no transfer or exchange students in their starting rotations. I believe that they have all been in the program since the start of their freshman year and most, earlier. Wahlert, by staying in the same conference they've been in for decades, with a dwindling enrollment, now is faced with perpetual losing records unless a local kid like Pemsl, who has been in the program since grade school, like his parents and grandparents before him, comes along. When you have a star player, naturally some other kids want to follow, but Wahlert has had losing records a couple years before and ever since Pemsl left. It's okay if Iowa City West builds a power team, or many other public schools. When Mike Gatens played for City High in Iowa City and they won the title, he was the only starter who wasn't a transfer student!! When Kriener was at Spirit Lake (a transfer), another transfer followed. Lots of other examples. Wahlert has had two foreign exchange students who played basketball in their 58-year history (one rarely played) and one was a transfer from Senior, which has had four or five exchange students who played in the last decade. Nothing wrong with that, I guess. If there is an all-city team in Dubuque this year, there is a chance that no Wahlert player will be on the team, because all the top players are in the public schools, for the most part. And it doesn't change in the upcoming classes, where Senior and Hempstead are absolutely loaded, and have probably the two best players from Mazzuchelli Catholic-- Sam Link and Michael Duax who transfered into the public system this year, which nobody is complaining about. Wonderful kids whose parents can send their kids to whichever school they want, like all other parents.

Okay, now back to Mt. Pleasant. At the beginning of the season, I said that either Mt. Pleasant or Xavier would contend for the title (with an edge to Xavier), and I still believe that. Why?-- Well, MP has terrific guards and loads of experience. CRX has also excellent guards and vital experience. Generally, you need good guards to win the championship. Osky, which has the best overall talent of a 3A team, could win also, and if they don't, they will be the absolutely overwhelming favorite the next two years, when Mt. Pleasant, Xavier and Wahlert are all going to lose the hearts of their teams. And how about some credit to their coaches, who are excellent coaches and hard-working, honest leaders of young men.

I think you meant Matt Gatens, Mike actually played at West. I am not sure the 58 year history of Wahlert basketball is the example I would use to exemplify home grown talent. In years gone buy there have been some Wisconsin guys on the roster.
 
I believe that Xavier and Wahlert have no transfer or exchange students in their starting rotations. I believe that they have all been in the program since the start of their freshman year and most, earlier. Wahlert, by staying in the same conference they've been in for decades, with a dwindling enrollment, now is faced with perpetual losing records unless a local kid like Pemsl, who has been in the program since grade school, like his parents and grandparents before him, comes along. When you have a star player, naturally some other kids want to follow, but Wahlert has had losing records a couple years before and ever since Pemsl left. It's okay if Iowa City West builds a power team, or many other public schools. When Mike Gatens played for City High in Iowa City and they won the title, he was the only starter who wasn't a transfer student!! When Kriener was at Spirit Lake (a transfer), another transfer followed. Lots of other examples. Wahlert has had two foreign exchange students who played basketball in their 58-year history (one rarely played) and one was a transfer from Senior, which has had four or five exchange students who played in the last decade. Nothing wrong with that, I guess. If there is an all-city team in Dubuque this year, there is a chance that no Wahlert player will be on the team, because all the top players are in the public schools, for the most part. And it doesn't change in the upcoming classes, where Senior and Hempstead are absolutely loaded, and have probably the two best players from Mazzuchelli Catholic-- Sam Link and Michael Duax who transfered into the public system this year, which nobody is complaining about. Wonderful kids whose parents can send their kids to whichever school they want, like all other parents.

Okay, now back to Mt. Pleasant. At the beginning of the season, I said that either Mt. Pleasant or Xavier would contend for the title (with an edge to Xavier), and I still believe that. Why?-- Well, MP has terrific guards and loads of experience. CRX has also excellent guards and vital experience. Generally, you need good guards to win the championship. Osky, which has the best overall talent of a 3A team, could win also, and if they don't, they will be the absolutely overwhelming favorite the next two years, when Mt. Pleasant, Xavier and Wahlert are all going to lose the hearts of their teams. And how about some credit to their coaches, who are excellent coaches and hard-working, honest leaders of young men.


Xavier definitely have at least one major player who transferred from one of the 4A schools. I've mentioned this before but over the past couple of years, a couple of their main stars (don't want to call out kids by naming names) were guys who transferred in so they could play basketball at Xavier (A couple years ago someone posted an article from the school detailing how they came together from different schools to be on the same team).

Wahlert also definitely has a history of bringing guys in to play. It's just the nature of a private school. It's not different here than any other state. And Wahlert could have a losing record for the next 10 years, they'll still probably make state 3-4 of those years when they are playing against the smaller towns in 3A.

Because of the recent history of private schools winning in 3A (No public has won since Xavier and Wahlert came down to 3A), I could never say Oskaloosa will be an "overwhelming" favorite. I'd still say either Heelan, Assumption, Wahlert or Xavier will show up next year with a stacked team. As far as the publics go, I'd say Osky will have the best chance. We'll hopefully see what the younger kids got at state this year but I do believe Osky will have at least one tough district game.
 
Explain the "Bringing guys in to play" comment.

My guess is you are ignorant to how it all works at private schools...if a parents wants to write the $10K check for tuition then they can enroll. Just like any other student who wants to pay.
 
Explain the "Bringing guys in to play" comment.

My guess is you are ignorant to how it all works at private schools...if a parents wants to write the $10K check for tuition then they can enroll. Just like any other student who wants to pay.
Here we go again ....I’m sitting back waiting for both sides to jump in on this debate!
 
Explain the "Bringing guys in to play" comment.

My guess is you are ignorant to how it all works at private schools...if a parents wants to write the $10K check for tuition then they can enroll. Just like any other student who wants to pay.

How am I ignorant to how it all works? I'm saying that kids from the big city join forces and go to the private schools to play together (which they do). I don't care how much they pay or what scholarship they get, I'm just saying they do, and they'll continue to. So I don't think Oskaloosa will be the "heavy favorite" next year as long as they are still competing against schools in Cedar Rapids, Dubuque, Davenport etc.. I don't think a public school will be a heavy favorite for a long time, though this would be the year where one could grind out a state championship. That was the point I was trying to make.
 
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How am I ignorant to how it all works? I'm saying that kids from the big city join forces and go to the private schools to play together (which they do). I don't care how much they pay or what scholarship they get, I'm just saying they do, and they'll continue to. So I don't think Oskaloosa will be the "heavy favorite" next year as long as they are still competing against schools in Cedar Rapids, Dubuque, Davenport etc.. I don't think a public school will be a heavy favorite for a long time, though this would be the year where one could grind out a state championship. That was the point I was trying to make.
The issue is you are implying this only happens in private schools. Gatens should have been at West but went to City. Printy left Wash to go to Linn-Mar. So if we are going to point fingers then fingers should be pointed at all schools, this doesn't only happen at private schools. 3A is wide open with one private school in the mix(Xavier) MP and Osky, both public schools, are heavy favorites as well, so I don't understand your logic on this one.
 
The issue is you are implying this only happens in private schools. Gatens should have been at West but went to City. Printy left Wash to go to Linn-Mar. So if we are going to point fingers then fingers should be pointed at all schools, this doesn't only happen at private schools. 3A is wide open with one private school in the mix(Xavier) MP and Osky, both public schools, are heavy favorites as well, so I don't understand your logic on this one.

Oh no, I understand it happens in public schools too, but not nearly as much and they don't nearly have as many kids to choose from. The subject was brought up because someone was talking about Mount Pleasant having an Australian last year and I was saying that isn't at all comparable to schools who consistently have new kids come to the district to boost their teams. I honestly wouldn't care that it happens if they didn't get to dominate the little 3A towns in the postseason.

I agree 3A is wide open and that those three teams (Norwalk too) could all win. Someone said Osky will be a heavy favorite next year and I was disagreeing because I think one or more of the private schools will rise up, even with Xavier and Wahlert losing key guys this year. Also, to me there is only one "heavy favorite," because "heavy favorite" implies they are supposed to win it all.
 
"Mike" Gatens was a typo, or a mini-stroke. I meant Matt Gatens, who was one of my favorite state of Iowa players of all time. "Transfers" always have been and will be a problem. I can think of about 15 players in the same number of years who started for public school teams in the Dubuque area who lived with host families, were adopted (by our U.S. Representative), lived with assistant or guest coaches (Spencer Carter and his brother), were exchange students who played on AAU teams, and moved in with siblings, aunts, uncles, boosters, etc. The reason you don't hear much about it is because nobody complains, or knows, or cares. Forty-something years ago, when Wahlert had an enrollment of over 2000 students (right before Hempstead opened and took 1500 kids away from Senior and Wahlert), instead of 550 like they do now, any transfer would just add to their strength and to the consternation of their rivals. It's nothing like that now. A couple of years ago, three football players transfer from Wahlert to Hempstead and nobody knows, or cares. The "transfer" situation has gotten much better over the last fifteen years. I will say that all the current coaches in the Dubuque area are fine, honest gentlemen. Tom English is a very hard-working, fine man, who is a better coach than he gets credit for. The improvement of some of his players is astounding. If a family moves to the city, or if one of the very few exchange students (two in school history) who happens to be an athlete shows up, he certainly is not going to turn a player away. Senior coach Wendell Eimers is a man I admire a lot and he is a really fine coach. Without going into details, he's booted two sure-fire starters off the Senior roster the last couple of years when they got into trouble, and almost none of his players except exchange students have been living with host families (unlike a predecessor),.and I really admire that. Same goes for Dennis Geraghty at WD who is honest as the day is long, and Curt Deutsch has had very few transplanted players, some of whom left the program. He has only one transfer starter (from Senior) this season. Lots of players in Dubuque, and most larger cities, transfer upon entering middle school, or when they start high school. This should not count, as families make decisions based on more than athletics. More athletes transfer from the Catholic schools in Dubuque to the public schools than the other way around. The Carter family (a good family) is a case in a special category of its own, in which five athletes from the immediate and extended family have played at all three local high schools. A little like Marcus Paige and his sister playing for different schools in the CR- Marion area. Two current Senior basketball starters have siblings at Wahlert. Dynamics are much different than they used to be.

The thing is, the decision to attend this school or that is basically a choice of the parents and the athlete. Many want to follow their friends or AAU teammates. The vast majority of student transfers between schools are not athletes. Every semester, every school in Dubuque has new students, some from other local schools and some who have moved here from (especially) Chicago or the Chicago area. Dubuque, like Davenport and other border cities, get more than their share of families who have moved into the area for any number of reasons. Special programs, including elementary basketball, have been set up to give these kids a sense of belonging. Some of the mentors are former public school teachers and coaches. Some of these kids find their way onto high school teams, but sadly, many disappear after a year or two or three. Some of these kids are troubled, and with good reason in many cases. I know of one freshman player who was basically homeless in Chicago, wandering the streets, until another family took him in, and then they moved here.

Society has changed greatly, and so have schools. It seems as if every teacher or coach should have a counseling or psychology degree. Both the private and the pubic schools do the best job they can, with the resources they have (or don't). The private schools are becoming more college prep centers in order to maintain enrollment, at least the larger ones. Yes, they have the advantage of casting a wider net, but the schools of fish keep getting smaller and smaller. The public schools have a much larger mandate, with much wider ability gaps, from the top, top, to the very unfortunate. Public school open enrollments bring in more athletes than some people realize. The last few years, the top team in the MVC is Iowa City West, and close to the bottom, and this year- THE bottom- is Iowa City City High, once a basketball power. How does this happen?

I think the private schools have pretty much peaked out their recent success. I'll be shocked if any school other than a public school wins the state basketball championship the next couple of years in 3A and 4A. If I am wrong, then maybe the state could try a multiplier. 2A is a problem, but with a new coach at Western Christian, maybe they will be beatable. 1A has so many little private schools, most of which aren't very good in sports. I think if you use a multiplier, it would also entail charting out results over a three or five year period and then coming up with a different multiplier for each class. The multiplier might have to be highest in the lower classes, and less as you ascend classes. One of my relatives is a coach in Illinois and they have multipliers for private schools which now almost never win the state basketball or football championships, whereas schools like Simeon are literally all-star public school teams, because of open enrollment and players live with extended family or move. We have it much better in Iowa.
 
"Mike" Gatens was a typo, or a mini-stroke. I meant Matt Gatens, who was one of my favorite state of Iowa players of all time. "Transfers" always have been and will be a problem. I can think of about 15 players in the same number of years who started for public school teams in the Dubuque area who lived with host families, were adopted (by our U.S. Representative), lived with assistant or guest coaches (Spencer Carter and his brother), were exchange students who played on AAU teams, and moved in with siblings, aunts, uncles, boosters, etc. The reason you don't hear much about it is because nobody complains, or knows, or cares. Forty-something years ago, when Wahlert had an enrollment of over 2000 students (right before Hempstead opened and took 1500 kids away from Senior and Wahlert), instead of 550 like they do now, any transfer would just add to their strength and to the consternation of their rivals. It's nothing like that now. A couple of years ago, three football players transfer from Wahlert to Hempstead and nobody knows, or cares. The "transfer" situation has gotten much better over the last fifteen years. I will say that all the current coaches in the Dubuque area are fine, honest gentlemen. Tom English is a very hard-working, fine man, who is a better coach than he gets credit for. The improvement of some of his players is astounding. If a family moves to the city, or if one of the very few exchange students (two in school history) who happens to be an athlete shows up, he certainly is not going to turn a player away. Senior coach Wendell Eimers is a man I admire a lot and he is a really fine coach. Without going into details, he's booted two sure-fire starters off the Senior roster the last couple of years when they got into trouble, and almost none of his players except exchange students have been living with host families (unlike a predecessor),.and I really admire that. Same goes for Dennis Geraghty at WD who is honest as the day is long, and Curt Deutsch has had very few transplanted players, some of whom left the program. He has only one transfer starter (from Senior) this season. Lots of players in Dubuque, and most larger cities, transfer upon entering middle school, or when they start high school. This should not count, as families make decisions based on more than athletics. More athletes transfer from the Catholic schools in Dubuque to the public schools than the other way around. The Carter family (a good family) is a case in a special category of its own, in which five athletes from the immediate and extended family have played at all three local high schools. A little like Marcus Paige and his sister playing for different schools in the CR- Marion area. Two current Senior basketball starters have siblings at Wahlert. Dynamics are much different than they used to be.

The thing is, the decision to attend this school or that is basically a choice of the parents and the athlete. Many want to follow their friends or AAU teammates. The vast majority of student transfers between schools are not athletes. Every semester, every school in Dubuque has new students, some from other local schools and some who have moved here from (especially) Chicago or the Chicago area. Dubuque, like Davenport and other border cities, get more than their share of families who have moved into the area for any number of reasons. Special programs, including elementary basketball, have been set up to give these kids a sense of belonging. Some of the mentors are former public school teachers and coaches. Some of these kids find their way onto high school teams, but sadly, many disappear after a year or two or three. Some of these kids are troubled, and with good reason in many cases. I know of one freshman player who was basically homeless in Chicago, wandering the streets, until another family took him in, and then they moved here.

Society has changed greatly, and so have schools. It seems as if every teacher or coach should have a counseling or psychology degree. Both the private and the pubic schools do the best job they can, with the resources they have (or don't). The private schools are becoming more college prep centers in order to maintain enrollment, at least the larger ones. Yes, they have the advantage of casting a wider net, but the schools of fish keep getting smaller and smaller. The public schools have a much larger mandate, with much wider ability gaps, from the top, top, to the very unfortunate. Public school open enrollments bring in more athletes than some people realize. The last few years, the top team in the MVC is Iowa City West, and close to the bottom, and this year- THE bottom- is Iowa City City High, once a basketball power. How does this happen?

I think the private schools have pretty much peaked out their recent success. I'll be shocked if any school other than a public school wins the state basketball championship the next couple of years in 3A and 4A. If I am wrong, then maybe the state could try a multiplier. 2A is a problem, but with a new coach at Western Christian, maybe they will be beatable. 1A has so many little private schools, most of which aren't very good in sports. I think if you use a multiplier, it would also entail charting out results over a three or five year period and then coming up with a different multiplier for each class. The multiplier might have to be highest in the lower classes, and less as you ascend classes. One of my relatives is a coach in Illinois and they have multipliers for private schools which now almost never win the state basketball or football championships, whereas schools like Simeon are literally all-star public school teams, because of open enrollment and players live with extended family or move. We have it much better in Iowa.

very good analysis...My ONLY problem has been with the ability of the large metro private schools able to draw from a much larger base (Regina,Xavier,Heelan, Wahlert) and then compete in lower athletic divisions against teams like Wapello, North LInn, and MP...last time I looked the population and the athletes they attract in those rural communities is not exploding but rather shrinking.(per DM Register article last month) That is my ONLY complaint and yet I don't really have a good solution
 
"Mike" Gatens was a typo, or a mini-stroke. I meant Matt Gatens, who was one of my favorite state of Iowa players of all time. "Transfers" always have been and will be a problem. I can think of about 15 players in the same number of years who started for public school teams in the Dubuque area who lived with host families, were adopted (by our U.S. Representative), lived with assistant or guest coaches (Spencer Carter and his brother), were exchange students who played on AAU teams, and moved in with siblings, aunts, uncles, boosters, etc. The reason you don't hear much about it is because nobody complains, or knows, or cares. Forty-something years ago, when Wahlert had an enrollment of over 2000 students (right before Hempstead opened and took 1500 kids away from Senior and Wahlert), instead of 550 like they do now, any transfer would just add to their strength and to the consternation of their rivals. It's nothing like that now. A couple of years ago, three football players transfer from Wahlert to Hempstead and nobody knows, or cares. The "transfer" situation has gotten much better over the last fifteen years. I will say that all the current coaches in the Dubuque area are fine, honest gentlemen. Tom English is a very hard-working, fine man, who is a better coach than he gets credit for. The improvement of some of his players is astounding. If a family moves to the city, or if one of the very few exchange students (two in school history) who happens to be an athlete shows up, he certainly is not going to turn a player away. Senior coach Wendell Eimers is a man I admire a lot and he is a really fine coach. Without going into details, he's booted two sure-fire starters off the Senior roster the last couple of years when they got into trouble, and almost none of his players except exchange students have been living with host families (unlike a predecessor),.and I really admire that. Same goes for Dennis Geraghty at WD who is honest as the day is long, and Curt Deutsch has had very few transplanted players, some of whom left the program. He has only one transfer starter (from Senior) this season. Lots of players in Dubuque, and most larger cities, transfer upon entering middle school, or when they start high school. This should not count, as families make decisions based on more than athletics. More athletes transfer from the Catholic schools in Dubuque to the public schools than the other way around. The Carter family (a good family) is a case in a special category of its own, in which five athletes from the immediate and extended family have played at all three local high schools. A little like Marcus Paige and his sister playing for different schools in the CR- Marion area. Two current Senior basketball starters have siblings at Wahlert. Dynamics are much different than they used to be.

The thing is, the decision to attend this school or that is basically a choice of the parents and the athlete. Many want to follow their friends or AAU teammates. The vast majority of student transfers between schools are not athletes. Every semester, every school in Dubuque has new students, some from other local schools and some who have moved here from (especially) Chicago or the Chicago area. Dubuque, like Davenport and other border cities, get more than their share of families who have moved into the area for any number of reasons. Special programs, including elementary basketball, have been set up to give these kids a sense of belonging. Some of the mentors are former public school teachers and coaches. Some of these kids find their way onto high school teams, but sadly, many disappear after a year or two or three. Some of these kids are troubled, and with good reason in many cases. I know of one freshman player who was basically homeless in Chicago, wandering the streets, until another family took him in, and then they moved here.

Society has changed greatly, and so have schools. It seems as if every teacher or coach should have a counseling or psychology degree. Both the private and the pubic schools do the best job they can, with the resources they have (or don't). The private schools are becoming more college prep centers in order to maintain enrollment, at least the larger ones. Yes, they have the advantage of casting a wider net, but the schools of fish keep getting smaller and smaller. The public schools have a much larger mandate, with much wider ability gaps, from the top, top, to the very unfortunate. Public school open enrollments bring in more athletes than some people realize. The last few years, the top team in the MVC is Iowa City West, and close to the bottom, and this year- THE bottom- is Iowa City City High, once a basketball power. How does this happen?

I think the private schools have pretty much peaked out their recent success. I'll be shocked if any school other than a public school wins the state basketball championship the next couple of years in 3A and 4A. If I am wrong, then maybe the state could try a multiplier. 2A is a problem, but with a new coach at Western Christian, maybe they will be beatable. 1A has so many little private schools, most of which aren't very good in sports. I think if you use a multiplier, it would also entail charting out results over a three or five year period and then coming up with a different multiplier for each class. The multiplier might have to be highest in the lower classes, and less as you ascend classes. One of my relatives is a coach in Illinois and they have multipliers for private schools which now almost never win the state basketball or football championships, whereas schools like Simeon are literally all-star public school teams, because of open enrollment and players live with extended family or move. We have it much better in Iowa.

Great points, to clarify the Illinois multiplier is for non boundary schools, not just private schools.
 
"Mike" Gatens was a typo, or a mini-stroke. I meant Matt Gatens, who was one of my favorite state of Iowa players of all time. "Transfers" always have been and will be a problem. I can think of about 15 players in the same number of years who started for public school teams in the Dubuque area who lived with host families, were adopted (by our U.S. Representative), lived with assistant or guest coaches (Spencer Carter and his brother), were exchange students who played on AAU teams, and moved in with siblings, aunts, uncles, boosters, etc. The reason you don't hear much about it is because nobody complains, or knows, or cares. Forty-something years ago, when Wahlert had an enrollment of over 2000 students (right before Hempstead opened and took 1500 kids away from Senior and Wahlert), instead of 550 like they do now, any transfer would just add to their strength and to the consternation of their rivals. It's nothing like that now. A couple of years ago, three football players transfer from Wahlert to Hempstead and nobody knows, or cares. The "transfer" situation has gotten much better over the last fifteen years. I will say that all the current coaches in the Dubuque area are fine, honest gentlemen. Tom English is a very hard-working, fine man, who is a better coach than he gets credit for. The improvement of some of his players is astounding. If a family moves to the city, or if one of the very few exchange students (two in school history) who happens to be an athlete shows up, he certainly is not going to turn a player away. Senior coach Wendell Eimers is a man I admire a lot and he is a really fine coach. Without going into details, he's booted two sure-fire starters off the Senior roster the last couple of years when they got into trouble, and almost none of his players except exchange students have been living with host families (unlike a predecessor),.and I really admire that. Same goes for Dennis Geraghty at WD who is honest as the day is long, and Curt Deutsch has had very few transplanted players, some of whom left the program. He has only one transfer starter (from Senior) this season. Lots of players in Dubuque, and most larger cities, transfer upon entering middle school, or when they start high school. This should not count, as families make decisions based on more than athletics. More athletes transfer from the Catholic schools in Dubuque to the public schools than the other way around. The Carter family (a good family) is a case in a special category of its own, in which five athletes from the immediate and extended family have played at all three local high schools. A little like Marcus Paige and his sister playing for different schools in the CR- Marion area. Two current Senior basketball starters have siblings at Wahlert. Dynamics are much different than they used to be.

The thing is, the decision to attend this school or that is basically a choice of the parents and the athlete. Many want to follow their friends or AAU teammates. The vast majority of student transfers between schools are not athletes. Every semester, every school in Dubuque has new students, some from other local schools and some who have moved here from (especially) Chicago or the Chicago area. Dubuque, like Davenport and other border cities, get more than their share of families who have moved into the area for any number of reasons. Special programs, including elementary basketball, have been set up to give these kids a sense of belonging. Some of the mentors are former public school teachers and coaches. Some of these kids find their way onto high school teams, but sadly, many disappear after a year or two or three. Some of these kids are troubled, and with good reason in many cases. I know of one freshman player who was basically homeless in Chicago, wandering the streets, until another family took him in, and then they moved here.

Society has changed greatly, and so have schools. It seems as if every teacher or coach should have a counseling or psychology degree. Both the private and the pubic schools do the best job they can, with the resources they have (or don't). The private schools are becoming more college prep centers in order to maintain enrollment, at least the larger ones. Yes, they have the advantage of casting a wider net, but the schools of fish keep getting smaller and smaller. The public schools have a much larger mandate, with much wider ability gaps, from the top, top, to the very unfortunate. Public school open enrollments bring in more athletes than some people realize. The last few years, the top team in the MVC is Iowa City West, and close to the bottom, and this year- THE bottom- is Iowa City City High, once a basketball power. How does this happen?

I think the private schools have pretty much peaked out their recent success. I'll be shocked if any school other than a public school wins the state basketball championship the next couple of years in 3A and 4A. If I am wrong, then maybe the state could try a multiplier. 2A is a problem, but with a new coach at Western Christian, maybe they will be beatable. 1A has so many little private schools, most of which aren't very good in sports. I think if you use a multiplier, it would also entail charting out results over a three or five year period and then coming up with a different multiplier for each class. The multiplier might have to be highest in the lower classes, and less as you ascend classes. One of my relatives is a coach in Illinois and they have multipliers for private schools which now almost never win the state basketball or football championships, whereas schools like Simeon are literally all-star public school teams, because of open enrollment and players live with extended family or move. We have it much better in Iowa.


Eh, it would be nice if this year started out a new era of competitiveness in 3A, but with how things have went since Wahlert and Xavier went down a class, I just don't see it happening. Privates will likely dominate the class for years. I really don't think it matters that much in 4A because you are going up against bigger schools.

I think a multiplier would go a long way, and then maybe we'll have more fun years like this where a handful of teams are competing for the title instead of just two or three private schools beating everyone by 20 until they play each other. (I think although Xavier is the favorite, this is a very rare case where public schools have a shot). It sucks to see a bunch of kids from a small town who grew up together finally get to state and then have to go against the Cedar Rapids or Dubuque All-Star team, and get demolished.

For now, I'd say we should just soak in this 3A tournament and be glad it will actually be competitive, unlike the past few years.
 
Eh, it would be nice if this year started out a new era of competitiveness in 3A, but with how things have went since Wahlert and Xavier went down a class, I just don't see it happening. Privates will likely dominate the class for years. I really don't think it matters that much in 4A because you are going up against bigger schools.

I think a multiplier would go a long way, and then maybe we'll have more fun years like this where a handful of teams are competing for the title instead of just two or three private schools beating everyone by 20 until they play each other. (I think although Xavier is the favorite, this is a very rare case where public schools have a shot). It sucks to see a bunch of kids from a small town who grew up together finally get to state and then have to go against the Cedar Rapids or Dubuque All-Star team, and get demolished.

For now, I'd say we should just soak in this 3A tournament and be glad it will actually be competitive, unlike the past few years.

That 15 pt, 6 pt OT and 5 pt domination was amazing. I was surprised the other teams even showed up in the face of that.
 
That 15 pt, 6 pt OT and 5 pt domination was amazing. I was surprised the other teams even showed up in the face of that.

This would be an appropriate time to recall that since Xavier and Wahlert have been down in 3A, they are undefeated against public schools in the postseason. The two have only lost to each other. (EDIT: Wahlert apparently just lost to Mount Vernon so this fun little stat isn't real anymore). OK, so every once in a while their state tournament games aren't complete thrashings. Intellectually dishonest to think they haven't dominated, just like the more sensible people said they would.
 
Xavier will be down next year. Might make it to state, but I doubt they'll be a contender. Matt Mims is probably the greatest player in school history and Jackson Joens is not far away. When those two graduate, they will have a hard time replacing their production. This is similar to Wahlert with Pemsl and some of the other kids in his class like Till. Xavier has gone on a nice little run and who knows how it'll end this year. I was shocked they won it all last year. Waverly was probably the better team, but Mims made some big plays down the stretch like he did in the championship game. Also, to suggest that there's a bunch of "all star" teams at Xavier and Wahlert each year is just asinine.
 
This would be an appropriate time to recall that since Xavier and Wahlert have been down in 3A, they are undefeated against public schools in the postseason. The two have only lost to each other. (EDIT: Wahlert apparently just lost to Mount Vernon so this fun little stat isn't real anymore). OK, so every once in a while their state tournament games aren't complete thrashings. Intellectually dishonest to think they haven't dominated, just like the more sensible people said they would.


"]This would be an appropriate time to recall that since Xavier and Wahlert have been down in 3A, they are undefeated against public schools in the postseason"

Can you let me know how far back this stat goes? I have heard it mentioned several times and it may need to be altered to fit your narrative. If not then it probably doesn't pass a fact check.

FYI last 4 private school championship teams won their championship game by an average of 7 points and state tournament games by 11.5 points, last 4 public school championship teams(had to go back a bit) won their championship games by 11.5 points and their state tournament games by 13.41 points. So less competitive games in both aspects.
 
"]This would be an appropriate time to recall that since Xavier and Wahlert have been down in 3A, they are undefeated against public schools in the postseason"

Can you let me know how far back this stat goes? I have heard it mentioned several times and it may need to be altered to fit your narrative. If not then it probably doesn't pass a fact check.

FYI last 4 private school championship teams won their championship game by an average of 7 points and state tournament games by 11.5 points, last 4 public school championship teams(had to go back a bit) won their championship games by 11.5 points and their state tournament games by 13.41 points. So less competitive games in both aspects.

Well I think the having to go back a bit about public schools tells a lot more of a story than how much the private schools win all their championships by.


I think it just goes back like, 5 years? Whenever Xavier and Wahlert went down to 3A, because Wahlert won the next 2 championships and then Xavier won the two afterwards, and the only time either of those schools lost was to each other (Wahlert knocked Xavier out the first 2 years and Xavier knocked Wahlert out the next two), so at least for the first three years, they basically met in the championship game.

I honestly hope you're right and that it's just a coincidence, but I will go on record and say privates will win more 3A titles than publics until they put in a multiplier (even though there are only like 4 private schools out of the 64). So I am picking Xavier, Wahlert, Heelan and Assumption every year until I see different.
 
Well I think the having to go back a bit about public schools tells a lot more of a story than how much the private schools win all their championships by.


I think it just goes back like, 5 years? Whenever Xavier and Wahlert went down to 3A, because Wahlert won the next 2 championships and then Xavier won the two afterwards, and the only time either of those schools lost was to each other (Wahlert knocked Xavier out the first 2 years and Xavier knocked Wahlert out the next two), so at least for the first three years, they basically met in the championship game.

I honestly hope you're right and that it's just a coincidence, but I will go on record and say privates will win more 3A titles than publics until they put in a multiplier (even though there are only like 4 private schools out of the 64). So I am picking Xavier, Wahlert, Heelan and Assumption every year until I see different.

Xavier shows up in 3A in 2004 loses to Harlan, 2005 loses to Cresco, 2006 loses to MOC, shows back up in 2015 taking 9 years off from state. Wahlert shows up in 3A in 2008. Wahlert loses in 2009 to Norwalk, to Heelen in 2011*. No 2012 or 2013 has a strong group show up and wins. The 'fact' was wrong in 2009. The cycle is on their sides right now, until the next school has its run, maybe it's Osky, MP it happens, has repeatedly happened at both public and private. Break up ICW, it happens.
 
Xavier shows up in 3A in 2004 loses to Harlan, 2005 loses to Cresco, 2006 loses to MOC, shows back up in 2015 taking 9 years off from state. Wahlert shows up in 3A in 2008. Wahlert loses in 2009 to Norwalk, to Heelen in 2011*. No 2012 or 2013 has a strong group show up and wins. The 'fact' was wrong in 2009. The cycle is on their sides right now, until the next school has its run, maybe it's Osky, MP it happens, has repeatedly happened at both public and private. Break up ICW, it happens.

Xavier was in Class 4A during those years they weren't going to state (at least in the later years). Again, intellectually dishonest to believe the private schools don't dominate. There are plenty of studies that show how much they win and anyone with any reasonable discernment skills can see why. But we'll see, and you can rub it in my face if "the cycle changes" and the public schools start beating up on the private schools.
 
If I remember correctly, Xavier was only in 4A from 2010-2013. The school opened late 90s, so that’s 6 years of 20 that they made State. 6 years of 16 years in 3A. I can’t speak on Wahlert or assumption as I am not as familiar with the Dubuque or Davenport area schools. I do understand what you are saying as private schools have had a run of success recently, but it comes in waves like other posters have said. I remember years when private schools in 3A and 4A could barely sniff State, and if they made it they were bounced right away. We all have our own opinions and nobody is going to change anyone’s mind here so like others have said, might as well not even try to argue with people. Just wanted to make a few corrections on years.
 
Wahlert has been a 3A program since 2003-04, so since they've "come back down", they've won three titles and made a total of six state tournament appearances (2008-09, 11, 14-16) in 15 years. Dominant.
 
Wahlert has been a 3A program since 2003-04, so since they've "come back down", they've won three titles and made a total of six state tournament appearances (2008-09, 11, 14-16) in 15 years. Dominant.

So once every 2.5 years at state and once every 5 years a title with a D1 recruit. Almost as many appearances as Waverly Shell Rock or Harlan. Okay.
 
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