The IAHSAA website shows tonight's result as a 7-0 Heelan win over LeMars by forfeit. What's the story with this game?
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I think a better question is do you think a kid who pitched 14 innings and his team won should be punished. I know they have rules, but people make mistakes. If anything let them go to state with the stipulation that he can't pitch at state. They still earned and won the trip to state. They deserve it.(Coming from someone on the East side of the state with no preference of these two schools.)Originally posted by PNation:
Heelan is the #1 seed in the tourney, do you guys think they deserve it making it to state on a forfeit?
I've seen a few articles lately about the push to change the rule for pitchers to pitch count rather than innings. The question is how many is too many and within what specific amount of time (i.e. how much time is required for rest based on pitch count as opposed to innings)?Originally posted by knights_1246:
Rolfes tweeted after the game that the umpire said that it was alright. I understand that coaches are supposed to know the rule, but if an umpire is doing a SUBSTATE game, they should definitely have a grasp on it. Must be sickening to be those players and Coach Eckstaine must feel horrible. I never understood why the state uses innings pitched instead of pitch count. If the state wants to save arms they should use a more accurate measure.Drove by the LeMars field around midnight and saw all of the LeMars players still at the field with the lights on. Very humbling sight. I understand rules are rules, but the Bulldogs won that game (it was a fantastic one) and should be going to Des Moines.
Are you going to tell us the outcomes of these situations? Let alone speak English? You sound like a bitter 14 year old right now. Just tell us what happened in your game and why you didn't go to state. As for the bull pen I have no idea what you're getting at with that?Originally posted by yankees19:
runners at 1st and 2nd base batter hits slow roller to 3rd. fielder fields ball and make no attempt to tag runner going to 3rd instead throws to 1st. ump calls runner out for going behind fielder. when coach asked ump what runner should have done instead he said to do what runner did. changed game would have been bases loaded 0 outs
.rules says field must attend to make play on runner. runner was not near fielder
same ump bases loaded. batter hit line drive to ss who throws to 3rd. 3rd baseman never found base but runner called out.
rules says fielder needs to be in contact with base
st Mary's Remsen play on home field with bull pen. rule both teams should have equal playing conditions. is west lyon saying rensem needs to forfeit.
state better enforce all rules equally.
I have no idea how the Heelan players feel about going to state"this way". How do you think the LeMars players would have felt if they would have made it to state by breaking the rules?Originally posted by cubs1910:
Agree with you 100% that it is not the umpires fault and the coach should know the rule. But, if the coach asks the umpire about a rule during the game hopefully he should be able to help clarify the rule. Especially in a Sub-State game !!!! It is ultimately the coaches job to know but many things are going through his mind at this point in a game. If he asked the ump then he should have been able to help in my opinion. The DH re-entry rule gets questioned many times over the course of a season and you can get different interpretations depending on who is umpiring. Not trying to blame the umpires but could you imagine winning a sub-state game and going to state for the first time in school history only to have this happen ?? You really have to feel bad for everyone involved. I don't think I would feel good about going to state this way either if I was a Heelen player. Just a bad deal all the way around.
Speaking of sore losers.......Originally posted by yankees19:
umps ruled against west lyon we moved on. heelan fans and players are sore loser and making excuses why they lost. roger barr isn't enforce any other rules in the umpires rule book. move on umps are in control of games just ask them. lemars was better team according to umps so live with in. sad way to qualify for state heelan
Can you say your situations in a more detailed manner so we can discuss those? Haven't heard of one Heelan sore loser? Also umpires have no control over the pitching limitation rule. Pitching limitation rule is a little different than a judgement call in a game sorry. That's why they have the pitching limitation rule printed on every line up card! So unless you want to present why you got screwed over then leave the conversation. Also stop blaming Heelan because obviously the game would be different if this kid wasn't in it. It's the rules case closed I'm sure if you talk to the Lemars coach he feels awful but knows he broke a cut n dry rule.Originally posted by yankees19:
umps ruled against west lyon we moved on. heelan fans and players are sore loser and making excuses why they lost. roger barr isn't enforce any other rules in the umpires rule book. move on umps are in control of games just ask them. lemars was better team according to umps so live with in. sad way to qualify for state heelan