All classes have issues and complaints. What is a reasonable solution here? Use BCMoore's rankings? Assign a panel of people who know their stuff? Others?
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Some teams play 1-2 OOC games per year. When your opponents all play each other and nobody else then it doesn't help compare teams between conferences. In your system beating 1A Orient-Macksburg (7-13) in the Bluegrass is the same as beating St. Albert (7-14) in the Hawkeye 10. Pretty soon you're going to suggest adjusting the opponents scores too (starting to sound a lot like BCMoore), but again computer programs are very limited when dealing with small sample sizes.Originally posted by Lyoncounty:
I only want to respond to your second paragraph. In this current technological day and age. why seed on games 5-15. Cant they write a computer program that will seed on the entire season? X amount of points for a win, adjust that based on the class they are in. If you beat a school a class higher than you the X is larger. Also, give bonus points for each opponents wins. So if i beat team A i get X amount of points and then get a much smaller X amount of points for each of their wins. So beating a school that is 19-3 rewards me more than beating a school that is 0-22.
Agree.Originally posted by EHS1505:
The IGHSAU does it right IMO.
Unless they are wrong on their prediction of who the best team is, or if there is an upset the next best team isn't as good because they tried to make it an easy path for the 1/2 seed. Look at 2013 1A girls. Upset occurred, the team that won the substate upset lost first round at state 75-28. Just an example of that system not working either.Originally posted by VanderHoops:
Agree.Originally posted by EHS1505:
The IGHSAU does it right IMO.
Geography is still a factor, but they put real thought into splitting the top teams into different substate regions.
Result is hopefully fewer round 1 blowouts, and fewer top teams never making it to the Well in the first place.
Boy's Union is flat-out lazy.
What I'm asking for is that the teams that had the best regular season be rewarded by having to square off with another top team in an early round. They don't need to have 1-8 perfect, just divided up as much as geography allows.Originally posted by Cardinal2012:
Unless they are wrong on their prediction of who the best team is, or if there is an upset the next best team isn't as good because they tried to make it an easy path for the 1/2 seed. Look at 2013 1A girls. Upset occurred, the team that won the substate upset lost first round at state 75-28. Just an example of that system not working either.
The fact that you want the state to choose which 8 teams are the best is an awful, awful, thing to me. This is the exact same organization that everyone complains about from scheduling too many football games in too short of a span, to letting too many teams in the playoffs, to now not getting "the right" teams to the Well, and you want to give this organization the power to schedule the post-season in a BIASED manner? That's crazy and yes, it is biased because it is who they think the best teams are and you can't know that before the games are played. Perhaps I am old-fashioned.
Originally posted by VanderHoops:
Iowa sports writers & coaches.
These would be extremely limited in their knowledge of what is happening state wide. They will know a lot about their area but very little about how good teams actually are in other parts of the state. I don't think this would help much at all.
The point of the state tournament is not to figure out who the best 8 teams in the state are, it is to crown the very best. If you are there it means you are the best from your area of the state and the only way to truly find out who the best team in the state is is to have the whole state represented. There may be teams that are better than those 8 who didn't make it, but that really doesn't matter as we can't say that for sure until the teams play the games.
In 2007 a 6 loss Western team was about 40 points better than an undefeated Northeast Goose Lake. We didn't know that though until they played. I remember feeling confident yet nervous going into that game because you just didn't know. That is part of the fun of the state tournament for me.
So you must not believe in seeding of any kind?Originally posted by Saywhat2:
Vanderhoops ...I don't think the purpose of the state tournament is to provide entertainment for you or anyone else who chooses to buy a ticket to go watch high school athletes. It's about the athletes, not the spectators in the stands. The best teams are the best teams on any given night. Your schedule means nothing. Win and you advance. Lose you go home. That's about as fair as you can get.
Originally posted by VanderHoops:
So you must not believe in seeding of any kind?Originally posted by Saywhat2:
Vanderhoops ...I don't think the purpose of the state tournament is to provide entertainment for you or anyone else who chooses to buy a ticket to go watch high school athletes. It's about the athletes, not the spectators in the stands. The best teams are the best teams on any given night. Your schedule means nothing. Win and you advance. Lose you go home. That's about as fair as you can get.
Just draw names out of a hat & set up the tourney at random. (wrestling says hi....)
Agree that the state tourney is foremost about the teams, but competition is most fair (and enjoyable) when each round becomes increasingly more competitive and the climax is the 2 best teams squaring off in the finals. (which always happens in every sport)
Are you saying the boy's union sets it up better than the girl's? (if it means keeping the State tournament from being more full of NW Iowa teams than it already is, then yes...........)
Right here. And also, teams overrate their districts and the area of the state they play in. If you want in the tournament, you have to beat the teams in your area first. Example: Williamsburg vs. Ft. Madison will be a top 5 matchup. I haven't heard either fan base complain that they have to play each other to get to state. But NW Iowa people all think that area of the state is extremely tough. So what happens if the NW Iowa team gets rocked in the state tournament? To me, that would justify the system a bit.Originally posted by WhiteShadowHoops:
This exactly. If you think your team is state title worthy then they should just win it. Problem I see is the expectation of regular people that their team SHOULD be in Des Moines. They crown them before they even play the games. No wonder kids have inflated egos.
Each association will fight tooth and nail to avoid combining. Unfortunately, the only thing I can see to facilitate a combination would be a scandal of some kind that would get the attention of the media and the legislature.Originally posted by LukeFeddersen:
Why would anyone within the unions want to combine them? Those that are employees will do everything they can to not make it happen. Iowa I believe is the lone state in the entire country with two unions. The girl's union even promotes it on twitter. With no governing body, I have no clue what would force a change here. They can do whatever they want.
Um....no. Going to watch your local high school team play a game is not really the same thing.Originally posted by WhiteShadowHoops:
Isn't a small town who closes up shop, heads to the game, and overinflates egos of teenagers, of whom most won't even play college ball, just as costly and self serving?