Success of Private Schools
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I just don't like the initial suggestion, at the top of the thread, that parents who send their kids to the private schools are the parents "who get it, who want the best for their kids". Yet how many of these private school kids have gone on to have personal problems at college and have not succeeded when given a scholarship. Not going to name names, but many of these kids have gone on to Iowa and other places and had "off the field issues". Where were their parents then? And the private schools have dominated more of the major sports in high school, particularly football. If it comes down to just having better parents, why are they not dominating the minor sports as well? Apparently emphasizing the recruiting on sports that matter.
Bottom line, for all public schools, if you don't like it beat them. And the private schools who win titles will always have an asterisk attached...just the way it is and the athletic unions of other states are dealing with it but Iowa chooses not to.
And success for your child isn't measured in state championships...which we have seen time and time again.
Bottom line, for all public schools, if you don't like it beat them. And the private schools who win titles will always have an asterisk attached...just the way it is and the athletic unions of other states are dealing with it but Iowa chooses not to.
And success for your child isn't measured in state championships...which we have seen time and time again.
Off the field and personal problems in college now the point of contention? That might not stand up very well. As far as not dominating minor sports it is interesting to watch that debate, some point fingers at recruiting while others say it is a function of location and demographics. I guess it just depends on the sports season and what results need to be attacked. I have noticed the relative quiet when the recent sports seasons haven't supported the private school advantage.
So you haven't heard any thing from the sports that just ended regarding private school advantage. Well, I'm here to help you out bro. So you have Western Christian that won both the boys and girls basketball title in 2A. Pretty sure there are load voices out there that question their advantages. Wahlert also won 3A. 50% of titles private schools. I'm not complaining, just pointing it out that I am sure a lot less than 50% of basketball schools are private. In girls basktball: 1A Notre Dame champ 2A: WC champ 3A: Unity Christian runner up 5A: Dowling champ. In wrestling, Don Bosco finished runner up and if you are interested you could find plenty noise about them if you followed 1A wrestling. So as football might be a different beast, you can't say you don't see it in other sports, but nice try.
What we did learn though following the recent sports seasons is 19-4 isn't good enough for Regina basketball. Gotta get that gold baby!! No longer accepting second best!
What we did learn though following the recent sports seasons is 19-4 isn't good enough for Regina basketball. Gotta get that gold baby!! No longer accepting second best!
Hmmm, let me look up the state tournament results for this year. I see Don Bosco in a tie for 20th. I believe when the tournament concluded that if you looked at the team scoring there was one private school in the top ten of all 3 classes. Wrestling might not be the sport to hang your hat on in this discussion.
Good story CID. Don Bosco did not have a good traditional tournament and they actually had one of their weaker teams, but they still finished second in Duals. Ask any small school wrestling fan in Iowa who knows anything about the sport and they would include the Don Bosco wrestling program in the private vs public school argument. I understand you don't want to hear opinions that differ from yours, but they are definitely out there, to include basketball and wrestling which you seem to dismiss.
Bettendorf, Waverly Shell Rock, Iowa City West, Eddyville Blakesburg, Clarion Goldfield.......wrestling doesn't really support the "built in" advantages that private schools have. As far as listening to both sides, I have heard so much on both sides of the debate and I attempt to stay above the knee jerk emotion based discussions.
So there is wrestling. How about Soccer, Football, Basketball, Baseball. The main money makers (similar to college), with the % of private schools in the state vs the number of titles they have won (say Xavier for girls soccer, I think is something like 8 straight) makes you get the funny look on your face -
Hey, someone has to win right? When you have the big guy on your side that in itself should be an advantage!
Hey, someone has to win right? When you have the big guy on your side that in itself should be an advantage!
Clarion Goldfield and Eddyville both had better teams than Don Bosco this year, but it would take many years to put them at the same level as Don Bosco. Since you don't seem to know much about 1A wrestling I will try to enlighten you. Goldfield won their first ever Dual title. Eddyville won their first ever traditional team title and finished 2nd one other time in 2010. The Dons won traditional in 12, 10, 09, 08, 07, 06, 87, 85, 81, 79 and finished runner -up in 11, 05, 02, 00, 93, and 88. They won Duals in 2010, 09, 08, 07, 06, 05, 02, 95 and were runner-ups in 2011, 03, 01, 93, and 1988. That's 10 traditional titles and 8 Dual titles for those keeping score at home.
And perhaps Don Bosco has elevated the level of wrestling around them as Clarion has learned to recruit with the best of them. Eddyville as well would not have won a team title without a senior transfer, so perhaps the public schools have learned from the best and are on a comeback!
This post was edited on 3/26 6:47 PM by rkhemp
And perhaps Don Bosco has elevated the level of wrestling around them as Clarion has learned to recruit with the best of them. Eddyville as well would not have won a team title without a senior transfer, so perhaps the public schools have learned from the best and are on a comeback!
This post was edited on 3/26 6:47 PM by rkhemp
I had the chance to watch WEST. CHR.play on tv the last couple of years,quite apparent great players well coached.Why not try to emulate that success and not whine about it.I did notice alot of Dutch names which confirms my suspisions that a direct recruiting pipeline from Holland is at work.Please all of my fellow whiners join me in bitcin to the IHSAA.Together we can eliminate this so called 2A team from all future Wells Fargo appearences.
I will take Lisbon's 14 titles over Don Boscos 10. I am not certain why you are taking swipes at my knowledge, I am very aware of Don Bosco in wrestling. It seems odd that you pick one school to prove your point about the "built in" advantages of private schools. There should be way more than one school leading the charge.
Your knowledge seems to believe private schools don't excell in other sports besides football, which they most certainly do. In the smaller classes, private schools have dominated in about every sport in one form or fashion. As you go up classes, the playing field is generally evened out. Maybe Don Bosco's era is over, which I doubt, but over the last ten years their sucess has more than doubled all the Eddyvilles, Clarions, Lisbons, etc combined. You make blind general statements, I come back with facts.
The "charge" is happening in football. Football is a different beast, even though there are obvious examples in all sports. There are major changes coming in football. Will it happen in other sports? We'll see. But embrace yourself, changes are coming.
I responded to you because you seemed to change the subject of this entire thread. Now I have read that the reason private schools have advantages on the field is because of common core, better teachers, more diversity, praying more in school. That argument is laughable at best and I feel dumber for reading it.
The "charge" is happening in football. Football is a different beast, even though there are obvious examples in all sports. There are major changes coming in football. Will it happen in other sports? We'll see. But embrace yourself, changes are coming.
I responded to you because you seemed to change the subject of this entire thread. Now I have read that the reason private schools have advantages on the field is because of common core, better teachers, more diversity, praying more in school. That argument is laughable at best and I feel dumber for reading it.
I am not sure why you are so fired up about this. I didn't attempt to change the theme of the thread. I will go back and recreate and hopefully provide some clarity for you.
NoJustice starts the thread about his change in thoughts in the private/public debate.
Mepo jumps in on the diversity angle. I ask what the demographics are for Mepo and get no facts in response.
It gets into a morals and parents teaching them thread.
Then NoJustice is chastized on his grammar
BEDS count doesn't show there is a fleeing to private schools
Someone points out that private school kids that go to college get into problems at college.
In my next post I type the following
"I have noticed the relative quiet when the recent sports seasons haven't supported the private school advantage."
this prompts rhkemp to join the fray.
"So you haven't heard any thing from the sports that just ended regarding private school advantage." - actually I believe I said "relative quiet" which in comparison to football season this is relative calm. Just trying to be factual .
So you posted
"So as football might be a different beast, you can't say you don't see it in other sports, but nice try."
Please point out where I said I don't see it. Remember you are all about the facts here.
Followed with another gem.
"What we did learn though following the recent sports seasons is 19-4 isn't good enough for Regina basketball. Gotta get that gold baby!! No longer accepting second best!"
Not sure what that has to do with the discussion. Fairly certain you don't have much insight to add to this situation. If not accepting second best is the criteria the firing of coaches has just begun at Regina.
I then pointed out that Don Bosco finished 20th in the traditional tournament. That falls in to the fact catagory rather than a blanket statement.
You indicated that I don't want to hear other opinions, factually not true, the fact that I am addressing your questions means I am indeed listening to other opinions.
I then presented several schools that openly recruit wrestlers. That is also factual but left several schools off the list.
You then listed the accomplishments of Don Bosco while saying it doesn't seem that I have much knowledge of 1A wrestling.
I then presented Lisbon and their 14 titles to prove that they indeed have more titles in traditional tournaments than Don Bosco. Oh by the way that is a fact.
Which leads me to read your last post where you talk about
"I responded to you because you seemed to change the subject of this entire thread. Now I have read that the reason private schools have advantages on the field is because of common core, better teachers, more diversity, praying more in school. That argument is laughable at best and I feel dumber for reading it."
You responded to me for some reason. I have been open to discussion on both sides of this issue for years. I have never said the advantage is in common core, better teachers, praying etc. So laugh away and feel dumber all you want. The cause I will continue to argue against is people claiming private schools dominate BECAUSE they are private. There are advantages and disadvantages to being a private school and far more goes in to the success than just being private and where they are located. You seem to gravitate to the Don Bosco aspect because I indicated that wrestling would not be the sport I would use to champion the cause of private school domination. There was one private school in the top ten of any class. So fire away, insult my intelligence, misrepresent what I type. It is all good, you will be on one side, I will be on the other. Makes the board a little more lively.
Side question, what did Don Bosco do to you? You seem to have a sincere dislike for them.
NoJustice starts the thread about his change in thoughts in the private/public debate.
Mepo jumps in on the diversity angle. I ask what the demographics are for Mepo and get no facts in response.
It gets into a morals and parents teaching them thread.
Then NoJustice is chastized on his grammar
BEDS count doesn't show there is a fleeing to private schools
Someone points out that private school kids that go to college get into problems at college.
In my next post I type the following
"I have noticed the relative quiet when the recent sports seasons haven't supported the private school advantage."
this prompts rhkemp to join the fray.
"So you haven't heard any thing from the sports that just ended regarding private school advantage." - actually I believe I said "relative quiet" which in comparison to football season this is relative calm. Just trying to be factual .
So you posted
"So as football might be a different beast, you can't say you don't see it in other sports, but nice try."
Please point out where I said I don't see it. Remember you are all about the facts here.
Followed with another gem.
"What we did learn though following the recent sports seasons is 19-4 isn't good enough for Regina basketball. Gotta get that gold baby!! No longer accepting second best!"
Not sure what that has to do with the discussion. Fairly certain you don't have much insight to add to this situation. If not accepting second best is the criteria the firing of coaches has just begun at Regina.
I then pointed out that Don Bosco finished 20th in the traditional tournament. That falls in to the fact catagory rather than a blanket statement.
You indicated that I don't want to hear other opinions, factually not true, the fact that I am addressing your questions means I am indeed listening to other opinions.
I then presented several schools that openly recruit wrestlers. That is also factual but left several schools off the list.
You then listed the accomplishments of Don Bosco while saying it doesn't seem that I have much knowledge of 1A wrestling.
I then presented Lisbon and their 14 titles to prove that they indeed have more titles in traditional tournaments than Don Bosco. Oh by the way that is a fact.
Which leads me to read your last post where you talk about
"I responded to you because you seemed to change the subject of this entire thread. Now I have read that the reason private schools have advantages on the field is because of common core, better teachers, more diversity, praying more in school. That argument is laughable at best and I feel dumber for reading it."
You responded to me for some reason. I have been open to discussion on both sides of this issue for years. I have never said the advantage is in common core, better teachers, praying etc. So laugh away and feel dumber all you want. The cause I will continue to argue against is people claiming private schools dominate BECAUSE they are private. There are advantages and disadvantages to being a private school and far more goes in to the success than just being private and where they are located. You seem to gravitate to the Don Bosco aspect because I indicated that wrestling would not be the sport I would use to champion the cause of private school domination. There was one private school in the top ten of any class. So fire away, insult my intelligence, misrepresent what I type. It is all good, you will be on one side, I will be on the other. Makes the board a little more lively.
Side question, what did Don Bosco do to you? You seem to have a sincere dislike for them.
I'm not fired up about it at all. I don't have any beef with Don Bosco, Western Christian or anybody else. Is it dissing a school by listing their accomplishments? Lisbon hasn't won a team title in wrestling in 20 years. Army hasn't won a national title since 1946 and will never win another. Times change. I have seen people comment on how the private schools didn't have this degree of sucess in the 70s, 80s, 90s etc. Well, it's 2014 and high school football has changed. My last comment wasn't directed at you but the entire thread. People talk about advantages of private schools in other sports as well, just not as hot of a topic as football. But if you want to hang your hat on some argument about wrestling having some effect on the decision upcoming about football, then go for it. Whatever side of the argument a person is on, there is scuttlebutt on the issue though in all sports.
Connecting the dots as to why this trend has become more concentrated and not near so much prevalent in the past is the issue. There is a dynamic at play which is the 'why' in my opinion -- and is what this thread originated from.
There is a trend. Little doubt. Calling the culprit as to why -- recruiting -- misses the mark if you ask me. The waters run deeper than that IMO.
The reason is parents are taking kids out of public schools -- for reasons -- well -- I think you can read just fine. So your opinion is that private schools cheat. I have a different opinion. We can disagree. I think there is a higher concentration of hard working kids that come from families that do not think the direction public schools has gone is the best schooling option for their kids. More so now than ever because of the political agendas in public education.
These same private schools have been around forever. This success trend we are seeing is quite different than in past decades. They could always recruit regardless of the decade right? They could always cheat right? So why now? Insert my opinion here. I would like to hear why you think things have changed so much recently.
Could it be related to the rise in youth sports training? Travel clubs, kids specializing earlier, access to better coaches earlier than ever before. Kids with parents that are able to afford these extra opportunities can also likely afford to send their kids to private school if they choose to.
Private schools also can develop the same group of kids from elementary through high school (and actively do so), whereas public schools congregate different elementary schools with varying levels of sports involvement.
Not sure how much that aspect plays into the equation, but just throwing the idea out there.
Private schools also can develop the same group of kids from elementary through high school (and actively do so), whereas public schools congregate different elementary schools with varying levels of sports involvement.
Not sure how much that aspect plays into the equation, but just throwing the idea out there.
Youth sports and clubs have become a big part of the success at some schools. However, I disagree that there is a relation with Private vs. Public in this case. Again, it comes down to parent support and coach. Examples: Iowa City West High has a huge youth baseball program starting at 8 years old. They hold annual try-outs and try to have 2 teams per age group. Their Youth Baseball Board is made up of parents, coaches, and the High School Coaches. West Branch, West High, City High, Regina, will have summer wrestling with Freestyle and Greco to help the kids continue to get better. Westfork High School built 2 great youth baseball fields created by parent fundraising and parents putting in the time to research and request grants that are available for these projects. Mid-Prairie High School use to have youth basketball tournaments almost weekly for young kids to play basketball and as a fundraiser for the High School team. Southeast Hamilton raised over $30,000 to update its workout facilities and established a strength and conditioning program for its kids.
As much as we want to blame something or point the finger for private schools vs. public schools, IMO I don't believe it is as simple as rich vs. poor, big school vs. small school, big city vs. small town. Parents, coaching, community support all play a big role in this.
As much as we want to blame something or point the finger for private schools vs. public schools, IMO I don't believe it is as simple as rich vs. poor, big school vs. small school, big city vs. small town. Parents, coaching, community support all play a big role in this.
I do disagree with your insinuation that there are harder working kids at private schools compared to public. I know several kids from my kids public school (and others) that have unbelievable work ethic and that comes from their parents. I don't believe that anyone can say that 100% of the kids have this mentality at any institution.
The other area I disagree with you on is the "more so now then ever" the data just does not back up your assertion of a movement. BEDS count don't lie, I gave data that showed the trend overall for private schools is diminishing (one of the reason's Xavier opted out of 4A football). I have yet to see any evidence in my kids education that they are being indoctrinated to the Left or Right. They are actually pretty open minded and freely discuss their views in school and have very good discourse from what I have witnessed and heard.
I do believe the development of the "win and win now" mindset of college has trickled down to the HS level and to the youth level. Parents that live through their kids instead of with their kids seem to be driving the direction of sports. One of the reasons that this topic is talked about more now than before - the internet and these forums. These forums (that allow everyone to remain "incognito") are ways for people to express their thoughts, opinions and well, frustrations.
Lastly, I recall hearing parents complain about private schools "back in the day", so I don't think it is new - it just wasn't as easy.
This post was edited on 3/28 9:48 AM by Vroom_C14
NoJustice, no where did I say private schools cheat. To cheat, you have to break rules. Using rules to your advantage, using every asset a school has to me is the American way. I also don't see this mass exodus from public schools to private schools that you see. I do however see changes across Iowa. Small towns are getting smaller. Factories and small businesses on once striving mainstreets are closing their doors. Small schools are closing their doors and consolidating. Bright kids are being taught a great education at public schools, they are going to college, and then they are moving to cities in our state and outside. So as our urban areas get larger it creates a bigger pool for private schools without borders to obtain students from. But if there is groves and groves of people leaving the public schools, why are Regina's numbers down? I know there isn't just one reason why the private schools can compete so well against smaller schools and I know nobody can figure out all the reasons. I do know the level of competition evens out more when private schools play higher classes. I also know not all private schools are so sucessfull, especially those in more rural settings. That's why I think the best solution is to add a multiplier, perhaps even a formula that is based on the population of a radius of a private school, and allow a waiver process for those private schools who do not excell.
Woodsiding said it well. It isn't 'private vs. public'. It's the 'have's vs. the have not's'.
Resources, demographics, parental involvement, money, etc.
Which is why private vs. public misses the mark and a multiplier doesn't really address the real issues at play.
Schools like Solon have many of the same advantages that private schools do, just without the tuition. It's a nice, newer school in a beautiful part of the state, established athletic success, incredible facilities (new turf field), minutes from Iowa City, etc.
Resources, demographics, parental involvement, money, etc.
Which is why private vs. public misses the mark and a multiplier doesn't really address the real issues at play.
Schools like Solon have many of the same advantages that private schools do, just without the tuition. It's a nice, newer school in a beautiful part of the state, established athletic success, incredible facilities (new turf field), minutes from Iowa City, etc.
Over the past 8 years, I believe the football record between Solon and Regina is split 4-4. When Solon had Morris & Co there were really no teams in their class nor above that were close to them (4A elite being the only exception). Regina is seeing that now.
I am fairly certain that the 1A school my kids go to (Regina) has anywhere near the resources that the 4A schools in Iowa City do. They don't have the resources that the 3A schools in the area have (Solon, Clear Creek), they are more in line or less than the 1A school in the area (West Branch). The seperation comes when you get into the rural areas where you need to have a coaching staff or tradition or a strong support level from parents and boosters or you might as well get ready to get beat up a little bit. I am not sure the win at all cost mentality is as prevelent as it may seem. Evidence that it is could be seen when Regina fired their basketball coach. On the surface it appears that way but I would assume there are other factors at play that we aren't aware of. Addressing the multiplier, it hasn't really worked in the other states that it has been put in to effect. There needs to be some kind of tweek to make it achieve it's desired results. The success factor is interesting but what about that team that has a 3 year run of great players and gets bumped up because of it then has declining numbers and gets beat up pretty solidly. I am open to looking at anything that can bring some peace to the discussion and I like the turn that this thread has taken where there is honest discussion rather than the "recruiting, metro area, etc. etc."
Please give examples of this assumption. In my area the publics are like museums both large and small schools.Unlimited resources, 6 figure salaries, multi million dollar additions.Times are real good for public schools.I would argue that it has never been better.The money train just keeps on rolling.I choose private for my kids, no regrets.Please donot complain about funding it has never so good.
Not sure what assumptions you want but I will give it a try. I used to have a job where I worked with all the schools in the Linn County area. In the Cedar Rapids area, Xavier has by far the best campus. Jefferson could use a lot of makeup. Linn-Mar has all the goodies and is expanding. It is easy to rasie taxes when there are a lot of people and properties. Again, you can compare Xavier to any of the schools. Now let's take a trip down some gravel roads. Olin closed its doors a few years ago. Anamosa Schools got so bad the ceilings were falling down. Alburnett has been trying to raise money for a new football field for like 30 years and build a track which they have never had. Maq Valley was once one of the biggest 2A schools in the TRC, now they will be playing A. East Buch and Starmont's numbers are way down from where they once were. If you run into a 3A school like Vinton, much nicer than any of the other ones listed because they have more kids and more tax money. I don't know if that is what you wanted, but go ahead with your examples. I am interested in hearing about these gigantic public school museums making millions you speak of out in the sticks. I am pretty sure you will come back with the larger 3A and 4A schools.
Half of all residential property taxes in Johnson county go toward public schools. That my friend is a vast sum of money.As for Linn county if your envious of Xavier facilities just simply hit up the taxpayers.Xavier raises funding privately,a much more difficult task.Perhaps your time spent in the public schools gives you no idea how just how good you have it.Talk to a private school board, I think they are run efficiently. Dont have that same thought about SOME public schools.
Vroom,
I do not mind anyone disagreeing with me. What you have not done yet that I would be interested in hearing from you is your take on why the recent private school success. It is what is taking place. Why? Are you in the cheating and recruiting camp as well? Or have a different view than that? My first post is my opinion. Yours? Lastly, it is not about numbers alone. It is the type of kids and the type of families. Think you are misunderstanding a bit my opinion. Understandable. My opinion has a lot of layers and moving parts. "more so than ever" is referencing the success. Not the numbers in migration. I do not think it is just one reason or two. Success never is. Handicapping privates is flawed in its premise as well IMO.
This post was edited on 3/29 9:09 AM by NoJustice
I do not mind anyone disagreeing with me. What you have not done yet that I would be interested in hearing from you is your take on why the recent private school success. It is what is taking place. Why? Are you in the cheating and recruiting camp as well? Or have a different view than that? My first post is my opinion. Yours? Lastly, it is not about numbers alone. It is the type of kids and the type of families. Think you are misunderstanding a bit my opinion. Understandable. My opinion has a lot of layers and moving parts. "more so than ever" is referencing the success. Not the numbers in migration. I do not think it is just one reason or two. Success never is. Handicapping privates is flawed in its premise as well IMO.
This post was edited on 3/29 9:09 AM by NoJustice
Again...I am not talking math.
Delve more into why you think the success is so prevalent. Regina's numbers down at the exact time their dominance has reached heights never seen? Would like to hear more specifics as to why IYO. If it is just bigger cities and privates getting opportunity at more numbers, then why Regina at its unprecedented success at a time THEIR enrollment is down as you point out? That does not reconcile with the logic of your argument.
Solon should be on a multiplier or move up then right? If not why not? A logic behind this multiplier dynamic is about what then? Facilities? New schools? Being located near big cities? Why only privates get a multiplier penalty then? What specifically is your reason why privates deserve it and Solon or other public schools like Solon do not? Having trouble distinguishing the 'why' in your post. Can you clear that up and help me understand?
Some truth to this. Drive by the facilities of Earlham. Martensdale St. Mary's. Van Meter. For small schools-- wow!
AND -- very near large metropolitan area. Shouldn't these schools be as dominant as private schools? Great facilities. Small class sizes. Very short commute to large metro area. Open enrollment not a barrier. Why isn't the logic being articulated not working out at these publics with the same ingredients or very near the same ingredients?
Not being a smart ass, just want to give opportunity to those who have cited the reasons behind success to explain the logic they have used to convince me. And remember, the multiplier would affect ALL private schools. So one size fits all logic needs to be kept in mind when the explanation is made on why the small publics I mentioned are not dominant using the reasons I have read served up.
This post was edited on 3/29 9:48 AM by NoJustice
I don't think there should be a multiplier.
And, I see people saying Regina's numbers are down, but when I went there (and we were terrible at football) classes were about 45 kids. Now they are around 70 kids. Which is going to be about where they stay. They only have space for three elementary classrooms per grade.
With 70, they will be moving up without being forced.
Going from 40 students per class to 70 is quite a bug jump if you are correct. Spread that out over many classes you are talking hundred to hundreds new students recently? I am taking you at your word on the data.....
Most of those new students are not now going to Regina to play football Is my guess. The increases mentioned in this thread about Notre Dame Burlington's student population were rather large as well. Guessing they are not all going there for sports only. Not in the numbers mentioned by that poster. They are not likely all moving because they play sports.
This is not disparaging all public schools like some are trying to paint me with. There are very good public schools and teachers out there. Don't get me wrong. I speak in generalities. The prevalence of weather patterns -- not whether it is raining in your personal back yard or not. From a 30,000 foot view related to the politicizing of public schools, there are some negative trends. We are seeing a more pronounced trend as of late. The question is why.
Illinois has been mentioned. You think Illinois hit this trend sooner than the trend we are seeing in Iowa by accident? I do not think so. Think about that.
I get why some are upset with me and my view/message. My goal is to get people to expand their thoughts. Think more deeply. To penalize privates as a discussion does not surprise me coming out if the camp that us calling the shots on the direction of the public school agenda. That is a wheel house view -- penalize excellence. What is the impact when demagogues of a society vilify excellence and it becomes institutionalized?
Sparking thought. Peel back the layers before we start legislating rules.
This post was edited on 3/30 9:01 AM by NoJustice
Going from 40 students per class to 70 is quite a bug jump if you are correct. Spread that out over many classes you are talking hundred to hundreds new students recently? I am taking you at your word on the data.....
Most of those new students are not now going to Regina to play football Is my guess. The increases mentioned in this thread about Notre Dame Burlington's student population were rather large as well. Guessing they are not all going there for sports only. Not in the numbers mentioned by that poster. They are not likely all moving because they play sports.
This is not disparaging all public schools like some are trying to paint me with. There are very good public schools and teachers out there. Don't get me wrong. I speak in generalities. The prevalence of weather patterns -- not whether it is raining in your personal back yard or not. From a 30,000 foot view related to the politicizing of public schools, there are some negative trends. We are seeing a more pronounced trend as of late. The question is why.
Illinois has been mentioned. You think Illinois hit this trend sooner than the trend we are seeing in Iowa by accident? I do not think so. Think about that.
I get why some are upset with me and my view/message. My goal is to get people to expand their thoughts. Think more deeply. To penalize privates as a discussion does not surprise me coming out if the camp that us calling the shots on the direction of the public school agenda. That is a wheel house view -- penalize excellence. What is the impact when demagogues of a society vilify excellence and it becomes institutionalized?
Sparking thought. Peel back the layers before we start legislating rules.
This post was edited on 3/30 9:01 AM by NoJustice
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