I see in class 2a and 1a no 16seeds made the playoffs, however 2-20 seeds did make it. I'm sure the RPI is not working the way it is suppose to
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I see in class 2a and 1a no 16seeds made the playoffs, however 2-20 seeds did make it. I'm sure the RPI is not working the way it is suppose to
Well apparently two 16 teams not making the playoffs is not how the RPI system worksthe two teams that were 20th in RPI were district champs. Not sure how you can think that indicates a problem with RPI.
the two teams that were 20th in RPI were district champs. Not sure how you can think that indicates a problem with RPI.[/QUOT
Just put them in district's just for scheduling and forget the district champ title. Then you get the best 16 teams in the playoffs
Now that is funny, I think I have heard everything to why the RPI is the best invention since "Sliced Bread"Who is saying that? The IHSAA’s goal for RPI is to round out the field of 16 with the best non-district winners.
And if you can find me that Statement from when it's inception began You might have a valid argumentWho is saying that? The IHSAA’s goal for RPI is to round out the field of 16 with the best non-district winners.
Class 4a go to 8 District's, District Champ and runner-up make the playoffs . Seed to Strictly RPI.Franky, you are alone on a bandwagon here. What do you want to see that would be better than what we have?
The RPI ensures that non-district games matter, strength of schedule matters, and winning a district matters. Therefore, it is a very good system.
Im pretty sure the sub Division in college football has a 20team playoff format? At any rate, you are seeing the decline in High School Football and improving the playoffs may help reverse the trendClass 4a go to 8 District's, District Champ and runner-up make the playoffs . Seed to Strictly RPI.
Or expand playoffs either to 24-32 teams, at least a 16th seed does not get left out?
Yes, there’s certainly a decline in participation at the HS level but not sure changing the PO format would do much to stem the tide.At any rate, you are seeing the decline in High School Football and improving the playoffs may help reverse the trend
Well if you are on the Western Side of the State having to go through Dowling and Valley just to reach the finals does impact numbers.Yes, there’s certainly a decline in participation at the HS level but not sure changing the PO format would do much to stem the tide.
I was thinking about that with Iowa City West & IC High. Just think if you scheduled them because of Tradition and then they both have the year they had and you don't gain anything. It's always hard to tell when you schedule any team."The RPI ensures that non-district games matter, strength of schedule matters, and winning a district matters. Therefore, it is a very good system."
This is exactly why CRK wanted to schedule Valley the last two years.
Just stop while you're stuck in neutral.......thank you.Now that is funny, I think I have heard everything to why the RPI is the best invention since "Sliced Bread"
They went to the RPI to get the best 16 teams in the playoffs, those are the comments I've seen from many people on this board.
Let's go back to 2017 and I will bet you will find articles and comments to point to just that. Next year when something else comes up where good teams get screwed it will be another scenerio with another definition of the RPI
And this is coming from someone that knows something?Just stop while you're stuck in neutral.......thank you.
And your theory is......?And this is coming from someone that knows something?
Actually 32 did work in 4a, and the problem with that on the 4a board with many posters was having a 9-0 team facing a 4-5 team and the thought a key member could get injured.From a coaches view, the RPI does NOT work. The state still schedules all the non-district games which has the biggest influence on the RPI. S-K in 1A goes 8-1 and does not get in?? I agree with the comment that going to 32 does help our game. More kids get in, more excitement in the programs, more kids decide to go out. I see how 32 does not work for 4A, but we have been told over and over all classes do not have to have the same system. Why would 8Man ever have an RPI with only 2 non-district games and teams like Fremont Mills who only played 7 games. Things HAVE to change. IAHSAA member schools have spoken with over 75% of schools from 3A to 8 man in favor of expanding. No reason the state should not listen to that. Nevada deserved to be in. On a personal level, I never understood why settling it in each district was a problem? Top 2 get in. Or with 32 top 4 get in. Match districts up for the post season. Lots of better options than an RPI. Ask the NCAA why they got rid of theirs!
Here is my view as I respect yours. You have seen over the years where you did not have a week between games, you played with and without key players and the Semifinals were never played in the Dome. That was the worse the Iowa Athletic Association made it for teams.I’m definitely not in favor of lowering the bar to get in. Leave it at 16 in 4A. It should be a reward for a successful season. The issue with participation is not that teams/players know they have no chance at the playoffs, but rather a safety issue, with players and parents now worried about all of the concussions. Until the concussions start trending back downward, participation is likely to gradually drop.
The last thing we need are teams playing a needless 10th game, further risking injury, and in some cases (as with Waterloo East in 2016), with such small rosters to begin with, so completely depleted with injuries that they can no longer field a team by week 9.
Bottom line is the game needs to be made safer. If that means experimenting with radical new helmet designs, so be it.
I think going to 32 will mean going to an 8 game regular season. Same amount of games. I would advocate that the teams not in play a week 9 against a team of similar district ranking in a cross over district. Respectfully disagree that it is all about concussions. Do you think the parents at Valley care less than the parents at DM East. Look at all programs, arts, speech, band etc. If the school has a solid program and success, kids participate. Nevada is trying to build and you can't tell me a playoff berth this year would not add excitement at all levels, including youth flag or whatever their feeder system is.
I dont disagree with that,.soon we will all be playing 8 man football if they don't figure out how to increase participationThe thing about it is that it’s not just an Iowa thing, but nationwide as well. Sure, the larger, more affluent schools won’t have issues with participation. But smaller/poorer ones will. Some of it is also very much demographic and economic as well.
Except for the once a year Valley/. Dowling championship gameI dont disagree with that,.soon we will all be playing 8 man football if they don't figure out how to increase participation
The 1,2 or 3 win teams got in cause of the East West split at the time. Often those teams would be replacing a team with a winning record just to maintain the 16/16 splitA couple of the challenges that they had for 32 teams were 1,2,3 win teams making the field and the playoff schedule with too many games in to short of time frame.
That's not true at all. During the time when 32 of the 48 teams made the playoffs in 4A, there was NEVER a team with a winning record left out.The 1,2 or 3 win teams got in cause of the East West split at the time. Often those teams would be replacing a team with a winning record just to maintain the 16/16 split
A couple of the challenges that they had for 32 teams were 1,2,3 win teams making the field and the playoff schedule with too many games in to short of time frame.
I see your point, I have never read any of the lower class threads until last night. I read more in Class A and seemed like most would like the playoffs expanded. I'm not dure about 1a, 2s or 3a- The five-round playoff system was a bear for no recovery time between games (Friday Week 9, Wednesday first round, Monday second round, Friday quarterfinals). As mentioned above, if the playoff field is ever expanded back to five rounds, it would probably require cutting the season to 8 games.
- Going by RPI for this year, if you went to 32 teams you'd have four 4-win teams, seven 3-win teams, and one 2-win team; almost half the field would have losing records. You'd end up with seedings like City High vs Valley, CB Jefferson vs Cedar Falls, and DM Lincoln vs Southeast Polk.
- In a bigger class like 3A, 32 makes more sense; there'd be just three teams with losing records in that field (Decorah, Winterset, and CPU).
- A 24-team field in 4A, which could make sense except for the IHSAA's insistence that nobody gets a first-round bye, would have Pleasant Valley as the 24 seed and zero 3-win teams. With the top 8 getting a bye, you're looking at first-round games like Pleasant Valley vs Ankeny, Marshalltown vs Waukee, and Hempstead vs Fort Dodge ... those appear quite a bit more reasonable than that 32-team field.
Even with “only” the top 16 teams making the PO’s, I will predict that half of those games are decided by more than 20 points, imagine adding in the next 8 or 16...I’d rather not.
Actually go back through the records as I recall wether it was 8/8 split or 16/16 split a 1-8 team From the West took out a team with a better record on the East. Tomaintain the splitThat's not true at all. During the time when 32 of the 48 teams made the playoffs in 4A, there was NEVER a team with a winning record left out.
But where did it blow up at, the lower.classes? Did it blow up because a 8-1 team was left out of the playoffs?Especially out of only 42 teams in the class. Now I would be shocked if the state doesn’t push 4A back to 48 teams again starting next year. I think for all the reasons they tried to justify dropping to 42 teams, that experiment has blown up spectacularly in the IAHSAA’s faces.
But where did it blow up at, the lower.classes? Did it blow up because a 8-1 team was left out of the playoffs?
RPI might be a good system for 4A and 8 Man where the large majority of your ND games are against teams in the same class, but it isn't good for anyone else. In classes where ND games could be against teams that are up or down a class or two there is no way to have a level playing field. When one 2A team plays three or four 3A teams for ND and another plays four A or 1A teams how can you compare the schedules?Franky, you are alone on a bandwagon here. What do you want to see that would be better than what we have?
The RPI ensures that non-district games matter, strength of schedule matters, and winning a district matters. Therefore, it is a very good system.