Team looks pretty promising this year. People to look out for: Johnny Wander long jumping and Derik Lau running 800s. Correct me if im wrong i believe wander jumped nearly 21 last year. Also Derik Lau almost broke 2 mins in the 4 by 8 last year.
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Don't let the secret out or there will be 200 state champs by the time they are seniors. I'm pretty sure the top kids in the state "never stop running" but only 4 will be state champs each year. If that was all it took, it would be awfully simple to just be the one who runs the most.Originally posted by jen44:
Danny Halva is the young runner who placed at state in CC. The kid never stops running and will be a state champ by senior year. This team will compete whether they are 2A or 3A. I do see them being a larger 2A.
As a distance runner you have opportunities in the 800, 1600, and 3200 to win by yourself. Medleys are typically won with the 800 runners, but you need a pretty good 400 for help. The 4x8 is also another opportunity for distance runners. Then you can switch sports and have a good shot in cross country as well. 6 opportunities for distance runners in 1 class alone. It's also not simple to be the one who runs the most. Only 1 kid can do that. If somebody is willing to be that 1 kid, it's going to be tough to deny them of a title.Originally posted by B-K_Teach:
Don't let the secret out or there will be 200 state champs by the time they are seniors. I'm pretty sure the top kids in the state "never stop running" but only 4 will be state champs each year. If that was all it took, it would be awfully simple to just be the one who runs the most.Originally posted by jen44:
Danny Halva is the young runner who placed at state in CC. The kid never stops running and will be a state champ by senior year. This team will compete whether they are 2A or 3A. I do see them being a larger 2A.
You clearly do not understand distance running. Simply running the most does not equate a state title, but you claim if someone is willing to be that 1 kid, then it will be tough to deny a title. You completely missed my point. There is a lot more to it than "never stops running"Originally posted by Cardinal2012:
It's also not simple to be the one who runs the most. Only 1 kid can do that. If somebody is willing to be that 1 kid, it's going to be tough to deny them of a title.Originally posted by B-K_Teach:
Don't let the secret out or there will be 200 state champs by the time they are seniors. I'm pretty sure the top kids in the state "never stop running" but only 4 will be state champs each year. If that was all it took, it would be awfully simple to just be the one who runs the most.Originally posted by jen44:
Danny Halva is the young runner who placed at state in CC. The kid never stops running and will be a state champ by senior year. This team will compete whether they are 2A or 3A. I do see them being a larger 2A.
Simply running does not equate to a title. While this is true, it is also the most important thing of winning a championship. Show me a distance runner, specifically an 800-Mile guy that has won the title without "simply running". Somebody that has just showed up with mediocre at best work ethic and won.Originally posted by B-K_Teach:
You clearly do not understand distance running. Simply running the most does not equate a state title, but you claim if someone is willing to be that 1 kid, then it will be tough to deny a title. You completely missed my point. There is a lot more to it than "never stops running"Originally posted by Cardinal2012:
It's also not simple to be the one who runs the most. Only 1 kid can do that. If somebody is willing to be that 1 kid, it's going to be tough to deny them of a title.Originally posted by B-K_Teach:
Don't let the secret out or there will be 200 state champs by the time they are seniors. I'm pretty sure the top kids in the state "never stop running" but only 4 will be state champs each year. If that was all it took, it would be awfully simple to just be the one who runs the most.Originally posted by jen44:
Danny Halva is the young runner who placed at state in CC. The kid never stops running and will be a state champ by senior year. This team will compete whether they are 2A or 3A. I do see them being a larger 2A.
Yes, my sarcasm was a little harsh with the 200 state champions bit.Originally posted by Cardinal2012:
Simply running does not equate to a title. While this is true, it is also the most important thing of winning a championship. Show me a distance runner, specifically an 800-Mile guy that has won the title without "simply running". Somebody that has just showed up with mediocre at best work ethic and won.Originally posted by B-K_Teach:
You clearly do not understand distance running. Simply running the most does not equate a state title, but you claim if someone is willing to be that 1 kid, then it will be tough to deny a title. You completely missed my point. There is a lot more to it than "never stops running"Originally posted by Cardinal2012:
It's also not simple to be the one who runs the most. Only 1 kid can do that. If somebody is willing to be that 1 kid, it's going to be tough to deny them of a title.Originally posted by B-K_Teach:
Don't let the secret out or there will be 200 state champs by the time they are seniors. I'm pretty sure the top kids in the state "never stop running" but only 4 will be state champs each year. If that was all it took, it would be awfully simple to just be the one who runs the most.Originally posted by jen44:
Danny Halva is the young runner who placed at state in CC. The kid never stops running and will be a state champ by senior year. This team will compete whether they are 2A or 3A. I do see them being a larger 2A.
The real point I was saying, which shouldn't even require explanation, is that if one kid is going to go above and beyond and run more than everyone else, then they obviously have a real psychological advantage. Most people would agree that distance running comes down to guts. Go read a little bit about Steve Prefontaine if you think otherwise. I'm not talking a guy that runs 100 yards more than everybody else, but more like 1-2 hard miles a week more than the next guy in line. If someone is willing to put in the dedication of running 30-35 miles per week with a good percentage of those being hard miles, then yes I stand by my statement it will be tough to deny them a title. This is 1A and 2A high school track in Iowa. We aren't talking about the Olympics. Not to mention that this kid that we are talking about placed 6th in the state as a sophomore. We aren't talking about some schmuck that decided to start jogging one day. Show me a distance runner that said winning a championship was easy, it's always tough denying other people titles. I'm not guaranteeing this kid a championship, but simply running the most is going to give him the best opportunity to win. He can't control his genetics. He can't hire or fire his coach. He can only control what he is going to do to prepare himself.
My problem with your statement came from mocking the guy who said the kid "never stops running" and then saying if that's all it took there would be 200 state champs by the time they are seniors. Only one kid can run the most in the offseason and only 1 will be state champion (in a given event and class track or cross country). They may or may not be the same kid, but "simply running" is perhaps the second most important step, behind wanting it more than anybody else. Something I believe is not simple. If kids are competing side by side for who can run the most miles in the offseason, say an 8 month span, do you think the number of miles is going to be in the tens? 100? 200? 500? To think that any kid that wants to can go out and run even 25 miles a weeks for 8 months straight can do it rather "simply" is a bit far fetched to me. But what do I know? I clearly don't understand distance running.
Here's an online training log for the 4A state champion (a sophomore) from Pleasant Valley. She ran 40 miles the week after state and 43 miles the week after that. Not backing off at all. And, she just ran a 5-mile Turkey Trot today in 5:53 pace. I'm equally impressed by the number of hours she is sleeping and the amount of quality runs (10+ miler at 6:45 pace).Originally posted by Cardinal2012:
How many boys do you know of that are running 6 miles a day and leaving 1-2 days a week for recovery consistently over an 8 month span. That's 30-35 a week.
2000 miles over 8 months. We'll call it 30 days a month, I know some have 31. At the lower end of your estimate, 1A and 2A boys are running 8.33 miles per day without taking any days off for recovery. 2500 miles bumps up to 10.4 miles per day. No recovery again. If this is what kids are running now days, then perhaps I am out of the loop.
40 miles per week in-season is bread and butter for at least five 4A girls teams in the state during their fall training. This would be their top 5-10 athletes per program. That's about 35 athletes right there. There are likely more than 100 girls hitting 35+ mpw throughout the state.Originally posted by Cardinal2012:
Thanks for this information! Is 40 miles per week common for a girl or is it as I believe where this is just something the elite few do? I'm asking roughly how many girls in the state you'd estimate are doing this kind of workout throughout the off season. Top 20? Top 100? 5-6 miles per day with a 1 day off per week. It'd be interesting to see one of the top boys as well, specifically lower classes. I still find it hard to believe they'd be running 60-70 miles per week consistently, but it's certainly possible.
Totally agree. I was trying to be conservative in attempts to not shock Cardinal into disbelief. On the side of 70 mpw for boys, I'm willing to wager there are at least 25 guys going that route.Originally posted by cc coach:
In-Season there are TONS of kids running 35-50+ I would think. Our girls and boys top 7-10 on each team are easily running 35-50 during the season.
If you figure even 1 boy and 1 girl in 50% of the schools runs good miles (35-50 per week) in the off season - you are looking at 150 boys and 150 girls. I would think that would be stunningly conservative and there are many more than that, and some running well over 50 per week on a very regular basis.
My son was averaging 200 miles per month starting around April and didn't make state (though he was close) in cc. As you said earlier, it's not just the miles. You watch him run, then you watch a Pollard, Greder or one the the Smiths from NP (who are all in his conference) and it's obvious there's a difference there, and it's not the miles. He'll likely make state next year, but there will still be a big difference between him and the Pollards of the world.Originally posted by B-K_Teach:
Totally agree. I was trying to be conservative in attempts to not shock Cardinal into disbelief. On the side of 70 mpw for boys, I'm willing to wager there are at least 25 guys going that route.Originally posted by cc coach:
In-Season there are TONS of kids running 35-50+ I would think. Our girls and boys top 7-10 on each team are easily running 35-50 during the season.
If you figure even 1 boy and 1 girl in 50% of the schools runs good miles (35-50 per week) in the off season - you are looking at 150 boys and 150 girls. I would think that would be stunningly conservative and there are many more than that, and some running well over 50 per week on a very regular basis.