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Maybe, but you should not displace a co-district champ with a team with a lesser win/loss record. I think that will happen just reading the rules.That team with a losing record (Southeast Polk) did win two games - beating the undefeated top seed and an 8-2 team - and reached the semifinals, so maybe RPI knew something we didn’t?
(I’m not saying RPI is perfect, but a one-season sample hasn’t shown me any huge flaws yet.)
It's just as likely a 4-5 team, like Iowa City West, could co-champion a district. They would get a playoff spot(and a home game!). How is that any better than an at-large team garnering a bid with a losing record?
It's just as likely a 4-5 team, like Iowa City West, could co-champion a district. They would get a playoff spot(and a home game!). How is that any better than an at-large team garnering a bid with a losing record?
It's just as likely a 4-5 team, like Iowa City West, could co-champion a district. They would get a playoff spot(and a home game!). How is that any better than an at-large team garnering a bid with a losing record?
I doubt bracket c would shake out like that, they are all in the same district.With the teams in spots leading districts and in the top 16, I think the bracket would look like this, perhaps...
Bracket A
Dubuque Senior @ Cedar Falls
Bettendorf @ Linn-Mar
Bracket B
Ankeny @ West Des Moines Valley
Sioux City East @ Johnston
Bracket C
Fort Dodge @ Ankeny Centennial
Marshalltown @ Des Moines Roosevelt
Bracket D
Southeast Polk @ West Des Moines Dowling
Cedar Rapids Prairie @ Cedar Rapids Kennedy
A 7-2 district runner-up that isn't in the top 16 in the RPIWhen I read the rules and if I understand them correctly, if you tie for district championship, the higher RPI of the two is the Champ. The odd team out gets thrown back in the pool at a at large spot. Thus putting them in the pecking order of the RPI System, this not guarantee them a spot at all. Unless they have a better RPI rating of the remaining teams.
Now is it possible a team with a losing record that's not a Co-District Champ with a 4-5 record can knock out
if I read the rules right and I could be wrong, a co-district champion with the worse RPI gets thrown back into the at large pool and then to secure a playoff spot it has to have a better RPI then the remaining teams. So a 7-2 District Runner-up may not make the playoff is you have another team like SE Polk come along.
you can have a two way tie, There way tie for district champ, but only one qualified outright the other team or teams are at the mercy of the RPI System. Maybe I read the rules wrong
It's just as likely a 4-5 team, like Iowa City West, could co-champion a district. They would get a playoff spot(and a home game!). How is that any better than an at-large team garnering a bid with a losing record?
It's probably more complicated than that even, because then it would be head to head competition and really hard to determine who goes where.I think you’re right in some ways, franky. Two-way ties for the district title, though, would be decided by head-to-head, not RPI. Ties between three or more teams would be decided by RPI, as you said, with the highest RPI getting the title. In both cases, everyone else gets put back in the at-large pool.
I'm not sure it would happen, but anything is possible. It would be more like a 5-4 team probably replacing a 7-2 team.A 7-2 district runner-up that isn't in the top 16 in the RPI
a) Played a garbage non-district schedule, and
b) Played in a garbage district.
They would have no one to blame but themselves.
I don't understand the idea of rewarding teams that purposely play a weak schedule to bolster their record at the expense of teams that play 3-4 high-quality non-district games just because the former has a better record.
This reminds me of our old point system, back on 1985 Cedar Falls beat Mason City to cause a 3way tie in conference play and Mason City went to the playoffs.A 7-2 district runner-up that isn't in the top 16 in the RPI
a) Played a garbage non-district schedule, and
b) Played in a garbage district.
They would have no one to blame but themselves.
I don't understand the idea of rewarding teams that purposely play a weak schedule to bolster their record at the expense of teams that play 3-4 high-quality non-district games just because the former has a better record.
With the teams in spots leading districts and in the top 16, I think the bracket would look like this, perhaps...
Bracket A
Dubuque Senior @ Cedar Falls
Bettendorf @ Linn-Mar
Bracket B
Ankeny @ West Des Moines Valley
Sioux City East @ Johnston
Bracket C
Fort Dodge @ Ankeny Centennial
Marshalltown @ Des Moines Roosevelt
Bracket D
Southeast Polk @ West Des Moines Dowling
Cedar Rapids Prairie @ Cedar Rapids Kennedy
I am NOT missing Waukee. And I don't care what Marshalltown ends up. I think you didn't read my very first line. It's a look at where they are now. No prognostication involved.you are missing Waukee, they easily win their district over Johnston
Marshalltown probably ends up 5-4
SEP and Dowling probably both end up in top 6 or 7, don't see them getting each other round one
I am NOT missing Waukee. And I don't care what Marshalltown ends up. I think you didn't read my very first line. It's a look at where they are now. No prognostication involved.
East is 5-1 and #10 in RPI. That will obviously change as they will lose two more, probably blow out fashion, and finish third in their district unless they upset Ankeny the final game of the year. For East, the district set up and scheduling really works out nicely. They can get to the last game of the season with a play off shot. I think last year RPI eliminated them before the Ankeny match up, but I can’t recall if that was from a Thursday night result or the prior week.
Idk RPI at all, so my question for those that do is this: If East loses at home to Dowling, well say 50-0(idk if score matters), and then comes back week 8 and beats DM Lincoln let’s say 35-2... what is the RPI outlook for them, do they have to defeat Dowling because their schedule is the weakest in 4A?
Other contenders with winning records:
SC East 6-3 (maybe they'd end up ahead of Urbandale?)
Last year Southeast Polk played Centennial in the first round - which was a rematch from a district game. So it happens.I know in the past the state has tried to avoid early round rematches. Anyone know if that is still the case? In Spinningbird's scenario, Dubuque Senior would play @ CF in the first round, even though they will have played in week 8.
Last year Southeast Polk played Centennial in the first round - which was a rematch from a district game. So it happens.
I think the top 4 seeds will remain the same as they are now.Prediction: This is with Bettendorf beating Kennedy, Linn-Mar wins their district. Waukee beats Johnston and Ames and IC High only win 1 more game each. Ames and IC High are relevant because they were Cedar Falls non district. Valley's non-district should go 11-1 in the remaining 12 games and Cedar Falls non-district should go 8-4 in the remaining 12 games. This is what would jump Valley over CF.
Here is what the final RPI will look like in my opinion:
1. WDM Valley --- 70.85
2. Cedar Falls ---- 70.46
3. Centennial ----- 68.26
4. Dowling -------- 67.78
5. SE Polk -------- 63.82
6. Bettendorf ----- 62.76
7. CR Kennedy -- 61.15
8. Ankeny --------- 60.07
9. Linn-Mar ------- 59.86
10. Waukee ------ 58.95
11. Dub Senior -- 58.86
12. CR Prairie --- 58.56
13. Urbandale --- 57.30
14. Roosevelt ---- 56.41
15. Ft. Dodge ---- 55.95
16. Johnston ----- 54.92
Dowling jumps Centennial per new rule that if you beat the team directly ahead of you , you jump them. Based on that the brackets would look like:
Bracket 1
16) Johnston @ 1) Valley
8) Ankeny @ 9) Linn-Mar @ Linn-Mar b/c Dist. Champ
Bracket 2
15) Ft. Dodge @ 2)Cedar Falls
7) CR Kennedy @ 10) Waukee @ Waukee b/c Dist. Champ
Bracket 3
14) Roosevelt @ 3) Dowling
11) Dub Senior @ 6) Bettendorf
Bracket 4
13) Urbandale @ 4) Centennial
12) CR Prairie @ 5) SE Polk
Prediction: This is with Bettendorf beating Kennedy, Linn-Mar wins their district. Waukee beats Johnston and Ames and IC High only win 1 more game each. Ames and IC High are relevant because they were Cedar Falls non district. Valley's non-district should go 11-1 in the remaining 12 games and Cedar Falls non-district should go 8-4 in the remaining 12 games. This is what would jump Valley over CF.
Here is what the final RPI will look like in my opinion:
1. WDM Valley --- 70.85
2. Cedar Falls ---- 70.46
3. Centennial ----- 68.26
4. Dowling -------- 67.78
5. SE Polk -------- 63.82
6. Bettendorf ----- 62.76
7. CR Kennedy -- 61.15
8. Ankeny --------- 60.07
9. Linn-Mar ------- 59.86
10. Waukee ------ 58.95
11. Dub Senior -- 58.86
12. CR Prairie --- 58.56
13. Urbandale --- 57.30
14. Roosevelt ---- 56.41
15. Ft. Dodge ---- 55.95
16. Johnston ----- 54.92
Dowling jumps Centennial per new rule that if you beat the team directly ahead of you , you jump them. Based on that the brackets would look like:
Bracket 1
16) Johnston @ 1) Valley
8) Ankeny @ 9) Linn-Mar @ Linn-Mar b/c Dist. Champ
Bracket 2
15) Ft. Dodge @ 2)Cedar Falls
7) CR Kennedy @ 10) Waukee @ Waukee b/c Dist. Champ
Bracket 3
14) Roosevelt @ 3) Dowling
11) Dub Senior @ 6) Bettendorf
Bracket 4
13) Urbandale @ 4) Centennial
12) CR Prairie @ 5) SE Polk
Do they put more weight on the opponents opponents then they do strength of schedule? CF remaining 3 opponents were like 11-7 and Valley last 3 are 5-13.Franky, I played out a lot of scenarios. With IC High losing tonight and Kennedy beating Bett it all but wrapped up Valley as No. 1. Ames will lose out and City High May win 1 game, that’s 3 losses for CF non district. Valley had Waukee, Dowling, Kennedy and SE Polk. The first 3 are winning out and I don’t see how Polk loses to Roosevelt so probably more like 8-0 for valleys non district. Opponents W-L in district will cancel each other out. Indianola beat Johnston so they get in. I’ll post an update tomorrow!
Do they put more weight on the opponents opponents then they do strength of schedule? CF remaining 3 opponents were like 11-7 and Valley last 3 are 5-13.