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BCMoore Rankings: 01/21

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Oct 30, 2001
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2012 Wrestling Rankings

Comments are welcome.

Notes:

1. Rankings are based on the results of team scores of dual meets.
2. Rankings are unbiased.
3. nwcaonline.com is the official scores source.




3A
R Team Conf ( W - L - T ) Mod Str Sched Rank Off Ave Def Ave
1 Bettendorf MAC ( 8- 0- 0) 148.16 8W 90.88 ( 9) 59.62 ( 2) 12.00 ( 2)
2 Southeast Polk CIML ( 19- 0- 0) 145.73 19W 75.11 ( 43) 62.84 ( 1) 11.58 ( 1)
3 WDM Valley CIML ( 18- 1- 0) 127.19 12W 94.94 ( 4) 45.58 ( 13) 18.11 ( 4)
4 Marion Linn-Mar MVC ( 23- 5- 0) 126.24 1L 88.15 ( 13) 54.71 ( 3) 14.93 ( 3)
5 Iowa City West MVC ( 24- 3- 0) 125.72 4W 94.20 ( 5) 49.59 ( 4) 19.33 ( 5)
6 Waverly-Shell Rock Nort ( 17- 4- 0) 125.04 6W 95.17 ( 3) 48.67 ( 7) 19.43 ( 6)
7 CR Prairie MVC ( 24- 5- 0) 118.89 16W 92.52 ( 7) 48.21 ( 8) 21.03 ( 7)
8 Mason City CIML ( 18- 6- 0) 118.77 1L 99.45 ( 1) 43.62 ( 19) 22.25 ( 8)
9 Pleasant Valley MAC ( 17- 6- 0) 105.04 2W 86.00 ( 20) 49.22 ( 5) 24.61 ( 11)
10 Urbandale CIML ( 8- 7- 0) 101.99 1L 99.15 ( 2) 38.33 ( 30) 33.13 ( 29)
11 Eldridge North Scott MAC ( 18- 7- 0) 101.80 6W 87.09 ( 16) 44.32 ( 17) 26.92 ( 14)
12 Ankeny CIML ( 12- 2- 0) 101.22 1W 75.31 ( 42) 49.21 ( 6) 23.29 ( 9)
13 Western Dubuque WAMA ( 27- 4- 0) 96.96 1L 77.53 ( 38) 46.03 ( 11) 25.87 ( 13)
14 CB Lewis Central Hawk ( 11- 8- 0) 95.71 5W 88.53 ( 12) 40.32 ( 24) 32.89 ( 28)
15 WDM Dowling CIML ( 5- 5- 0) 95.15 1L 87.40 ( 15) 39.40 ( 27) 31.50 ( 22)
16 Fort Madison Sout ( 11- 2- 0) 94.48 6W 71.85 ( 46) 44.62 ( 14) 24.69 ( 12)

2A
R Team Conf ( W - L - T ) Mod Str Sched Rank Off Ave Def Ave
1 West Delaware WAMA ( 18- 4- 0) 129.11 5W 90.65 ( 2) 52.64 ( 9) 16.45 ( 3)
2 Davenport Assumption MAC ( 19- 1- 0) 120.84 1L 75.20 ( 13) 55.85 ( 5) 17.10 ( 5)
3 Osage Nort ( 24- 3- 0) 120.38 4W 82.04 ( 5) 52.78 ( 8) 17.67 ( 6)
4 Creston COM Hawk ( 12- 0- 0) 116.16 12W 69.27 ( 27) 61.33 ( 1) 13.92 ( 1)
5 Williamsburg WAMA ( 18- 2- 0) 103.32 12W 62.16 ( 52) 56.45 ( 4) 16.95 ( 4)
6 New Hampton Nort ( 14- 6- 0) 102.98 5W 85.60 ( 3) 44.70 ( 23) 27.90 ( 25)
7 Charles City Nort ( 17- 9- 0) 99.91 2L 91.95 ( 1) 39.73 ( 46) 29.19 ( 29)
8 Sergeant Bluff-Luton War ( 15- 1- 0) 98.74 5W 56.98 ( 72) 58.88 ( 2) 14.50 ( 2)
9 Denver-Tripoli NICL ( 14- 3- 0) 96.17 1W 75.90 ( 12) 48.41 ( 16) 28.06 ( 27)
10 LaPorte City Union NICL ( 11- 5- 1) 95.18 5W 76.03 ( 11) 46.88 ( 19) 27.88 ( 24)
11 South Cent Calhoun Twin ( 26- 3- 0) 94.69 6W 55.04 ( 78) 58.41 ( 3) 17.79 ( 7)
12 Solon WAMA ( 14- 2- 0) 94.16 7W 62.68 ( 47) 51.19 ( 13) 24.38 ( 15)
13 Atlantic Hawk ( 15- 1- 0) 93.73 13W 60.29 ( 59) 53.75 ( 7) 19.62 ( 9)
14 Humboldt Nort ( 13- 6- 0) 93.62 7W 74.39 ( 15) 43.84 ( 29) 26.11 ( 19)
15 Mediapolis SEI ( 21- 2- 0) 93.27 6W 63.96 ( 43) 51.96 ( 10) 22.96 ( 11)
16 Boyden-Hull-R Valley Siou ( 20- 3- 0) 92.39 6W 55.25 ( 76) 53.96 ( 6) 19.04 ( 8)

1A
R Team Conf ( W - L - T ) Mod Str Sched Rank Off Ave Def Ave
1 Woodbury Central West ( 14- 0- 0) 113.86 14W 52.96 ( 58) 63.14 ( 1) 13.00 ( 1)
2 Nashua-Plainfield Corn ( 17- 6- 0) 106.50 6W 73.88 ( 3) 51.96 ( 9) 22.30 ( 9)
3 Clarion-Goldfield Nort ( 16- 0- 0) 104.65 16W 58.58 ( 30) 57.75 ( 4) 14.62 ( 2)
4 Underwood West ( 26- 0- 0) 103.22 26W 58.12 ( 31) 53.12 ( 8) 20.50 ( 6)
5 Don Bosco Iowa ( 21- 6- 0) 102.98 3W 78.49 ( 1) 49.52 ( 17) 22.26 ( 8)
6 Alburnett Tri- ( 16- 2- 0) 98.47 12W 67.61 ( 10) 49.78 ( 15) 24.78 ( 14)
7 Audubon West ( 21- 3- 0) 97.16 14W 52.04 ( 63) 57.58 ( 5) 16.50 ( 3)
8 West Branch Ceda ( 12- 1- 0) 88.00 2W 44.79 ( 97) 59.77 ( 2) 17.31 ( 4)
9 Logan-Magnolia West ( 14- 3- 0) 86.25 2W 64.08 ( 13) 50.53 ( 12) 22.76 ( 12)
10 Neola Tri-Center West ( 23- 3- 0) 84.60 13W 48.95 ( 84) 58.88 ( 3) 18.65 ( 5)
11 Lake Mills Nort ( 23- 5- 0) 84.04 2W 52.04 ( 62) 53.82 ( 7) 22.64 ( 11)
12 SumnerFredericksburg Uppe ( 16- 5- 0) 82.82 10W 61.07 ( 21) 47.24 ( 20) 28.48 ( 22)
13 Lisbon Big ( 14- 7- 0) 82.64 3L 62.11 ( 17) 47.24 ( 21) 28.52 ( 23)
14 Marengo Iowa Valley SICL ( 20- 3- 0) 80.83 9W 49.05 ( 83) 55.61 ( 6) 21.39 ( 7)
15 Eddyville-Blakesburg Sout ( 17- 5- 0) 78.48 1W 49.31 ( 77) 51.91 ( 10) 22.64 ( 10)
16 North Linn Tri- ( 14- 2- 0) 77.30 5W 48.73 ( 86) 50.56 ( 11) 23.75 ( 13)
 
After last weekend how can SEP not be No. 1. Maybe after next weeks Ames duals a change might happen. I think Ankeny is a bit too low also. Their record is 19-2 not 12-2 and they Beat Mason City by over 20 pts the weekend before last in a tourney. The Urbandale/Ankeny dual should be interesting this week according to your rankings.
 
Not sure I agree with the 3A rankings. First off I don't think the strength of schedule can be accepted by me without looking at how those who are not on the list have been ranked. Secondly there are teams that have beaten the supposedly ranked teams that are not listed. That might be ok, if we say beating one ranked team is not enough to put a team on the list, but then the teams that have been beaten by a team that has no ranking should should fall from the list. Case in point would be Indianola who has beaten several teams on the list (North Scott, Urbandale and West Dubuque just to name three) and has losses to teams on the list but is not ranked. Or a different point could be made for Cedar Falls. Several losses but every loss is to a ranked team. Some of those losses very close. Plus they have beaten teams on the list Council Bluffs Lewis Central for one and previously ranked teams like Spencer. Finally, how does Fort Madison get ranked. They are 10-2 but have not beaten any ranked teams. They have losses to two ranked teams number 15 Mediapolis in 2A and number 11 North Scott in 3A. Ok so they beat teams that are not ranked and lose to teams that are ranked. Teams that have been eliminated from the rankings or not considered have also lost to ranked teams (more highly ranked than 11) and have beaten teams that are still ranked (higher than 11) and are not ranked.

How does one get ranked if losing only to ranked opponents and beating ranked opponents is not good enough? Maybe win loss percentages play a part of this but then how does Dowling get ranked so high based on the information presented in in the post. It would explain Fort Madison but that is about it. The win of Dowling over Indianola shouldn't matter because Indianola is not longer ranked and if wins over ranked teams matter then look at a team like Cedar Falls before Fort Madison.

I am not an expert on any of these teams but these rankings just seem a bit off and are over looking teams. I just took a quick glance at the result listed on the Iowa High School Athletic Associations website to come up with what I have here. I did not look extensively and I only came across Cedar Falls after looking at some teams they have beaten that were ranked (Council Bluffs Lewis Central).

Maybe it is due to the strength of schedule rankings, which as I said before cannot be argued unless all teams are listed.

Rankings are a tough job and I do not envy the people doing this job. There will always be critics for those who fall just short. That said there seems to be to be some glaring oversights that as a person who is an outsider can easily spot just by looking at to who is winning and losing.

So maybe what I am asking for is an explanation of the formula, how it is weighted...and a list of strength of schedule for all teams in each class. I don't want to get caught up in this but I feel like I should look at 2A and 1A to see if the same thing is happening.


This post was edited on 1/23 11:27 AM by tigerhawk101
This post was edited on 1/23 12:32 PM by tigerhawk101
 
I just hope these rankings do not come into play when the seedings come out for the dual pairings in 3a.
 
2simple2 - Bett and SEP should dual this weekend at Mendenahall Duals. This will then either change the rankings or keep them the same. I don't think they use the BCMOORE for duals seedings.

I see Bett and SEP each with 7 wins, so should be a close one!!!
 
I figured the same thing as Bubsdad... SEP and Bett winning 7 matches each. It will come down to bonus points. When I did a quick estimate of scoring, Bett came out on top 33-29. Hope I'm wrong. Only takes 1 surprise to swing things.

In my opinion, these 2 are the top 2 teams at this time. Only possible change will be which will be flipping #1 and #2.
 
Does anyone know when the state rankings for the dual tournament will come out and who is in charge of that one anyway? There is nothing on the Iowa High School Athletic Association's webpage and one would think there would be something.
 
Is Shaw healthy enough to risk another match with Miklus? I would think he would rest and be healthy for tourney.
If Nate Shaw does not wrestle then expect bonus points for SEP in final two or three weights.
I would not be surprised to see some toying with lineups to get better matchups.
Can Miller get to 145 to allow Hernandez to face Blackford and Drake Chase to face Tim Miklus?
Should be fun to watch!
 
Rankings are a regression analysis of all scores in the nwcaonline.com scores database.

There are some very good thoughts listed on this thread. Additionally, I would like to add that the database seems to be incomplete (surely Bettendorf has been involved in more dual-meets than 8?)
 
Good luck to both BETT and SEP on saturday it should be a barn burner. Hope you are right on the fact that bcmoores ratings have no impact on the seeds. Seeds should be detemined by the coaches. This aint the BCS. Would like to think the coaches do some research before they cast their votes.
 
I'm not sure you can use a mathematical term like "regression analysis" on a wrestling board.
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Bett has had only 8 duals. As mentioned before teams in our conference have refused to wrestel us besides PV, West, Assupmtion and Muscatine. We then did CR Duals and will have duals this weekend.
 
Do you have conference bylaws? Is there a conference commissioner? How is it possible for conference teams to refuse to compete against conference teams?? Never heard of such a thing.
 
Schools can get by not wrestling other teams because they compete in a conference tourney. For many years prior to this PV and North Scott have not wrestled (this is the first year in several where they will meet in a dual). Bettendorf also has not wrestled Burlington in a scheduled dual due to proximity (last year they met in the first round of state duals).
 
I disagree. If Bett wanted more duals on their schedule they could get them. Assumption(20 duals), PV(23 duals) and NS(25 duals) are in the same conference and they managed to find 20 plus duals each.
Assumption has only Bett, NS, PV and Central as a stand alone meet. The rest are either on weekends or are Invites or Quads.
Bett chooses to compete in tournaments every weekend.
Nothing wrong with that but it can't be blamed on the other MAC teams. There are duals out there.
 
We do choose to attend the stronger indivdual tournaments vs. some of the duals that are out there like Waukee or Dyersville. Plus I don't think we would get much out of them but some padded records.

We have a lot of open thursday dates and have sent out request all year for some match ups with no takers, so BK you are incorrect yet again.
 
BKDevil: I am not blaming Bettendorfs dual schedule on the rest of the MAC, just explaining why schools don't have to wrestle each other. Last year when we went to the Clash and the Waterloo Duals we had alot more dual matches. Since a large portion of Waterloo was the same as the 5 seasons duals Coach Knight opted to go to a high level individual tourney in KC. When the Clash fell during the x-mas break we went to the Cheesehead --> the same as Waverly. Coach Knight looks for the best competition, that is not to degrade anyone elses program. Coaches pick their schedules for many reasons.
 
Actually by my count Assumption is 22-1 in duals (not 19-1 as BC Moore shows). The talk of padded records rears it's ugly head again - Assumption has beaten some pretty good wrestling programs in duals. The high level tourneys versus duals are two different approaches - not sure one appraoch is better than the other - think that depends on your personnel. Let me ask the question for Bett supporters - will this approach work for Bett next year because I think they have eight seniors wrestling currently - I realize there are kids waiting in the wings, but the experience may be lacking next year for high level tournaments.
 
Message boards are intended for ones personal opinion.

For example Freddy Stoker gets the #2 seed at the MAC because another kid is undefeated. Well I can tell you that kid lost and lost badly. I think it was a tech pin. My meaning of a 22-0 padded record.

And Bett is going back to the Cheesehead next year, so hope that helps answer your question.
 
Still don't understand why you don't wrestle all schools in your conference on Thursdays for duals. Both HS I went to did that, the NCC does it and in all 3 occasions they have a conference tourney too. FD does it in their section of the CIML. I guess I just figured all conferences do it that way. Are we in the minority here or is the MAC????
 
Bubsdad - why so much importance on records? Championships count! In the case you point out, Bett wrestler proved he is the best at that weight. For what its worth, I don't know how anyone could have seeded him at #2 - the kid is the real deal and the Quad Cities is lucky enough to be able to watch him wrestle for three more years around here.
 
As a wrestling fan, I think people want to see the best wrestlers compete against each other. For this to happen, you need to wrestle the tournaments that involve WSR, ICW, Valley, SEP, Bett etc. My only complaint is AHS doesn't wrestle in these. Other 2A teams do. I think a lot of AHS kids would do well but you need to give them a chance. Even if you win a 2A state championship you leave yourself open to people questioning (padded records) who is the best at that weight if you don't wrestle the best. If winning a state championship is all your looking for then 2A and 1A classses would be a better choice than competing in 3A. Not saying a 2A or 1A wrestler can't win in 3A but it's not as likely.
 
Bub is a bit testy again lately.
What have I been incorrect about? Padded Records argument again?
Yes, of course other schools will not hasttily schedule Bett for a Thursday dual. These duals should have booked last year or the year before. To say, Knight put out a late request to wrestle teams on Thursday and got no response is kinda silly.
Cheer Up!
 
JB - you are always going to have the discussion who is the best at a given weight amongst the three classes - even if in some cases wrestlers compete against other class competition, simply because there is more than one class and three champions are crowned. In my mind, only way to solve it is having one class or a champions tournament of sort at the end of the State tournament. This is sort of similar to a lack of playoff in NCAA Div I football. In the meantime, it does make for some nice discussion on internet boards.
 
Finn
Winning a state title is the only goal for a wrestler. No one has a goal of going 20-10 but losing to many top ranked wrestlers.
Assumption's lineup has been challenged...choose a weight and Assumption has competed head to head against 3 or 4 of 3A's top ten in every weight, plus many ranked kids in their own class. Just like Bett.
106- AHS has faced 3A's #3-4-5-8
113- 3A's 2-4-5-10
120- 3A's 3-7-10
126- 3A's 5-10
132- 3A's 4-5-7-9
138- 3A's 2-9
145- 3A's 2-3-4-
152- 3A's 8-10
160- 3A's 6-8-9
170- 3A's 2-4-7-10
182- 3A's 2-3-7-9
195- 3A's 5-6-9-10
220- 3A's 2-9
285- 3A's 1-8-10

Doesn't seem like they are ducking anyone. One person's opinion!
 
Bk- that's not my opinion, your good at twisting my post. My opinion is that I prefer the bigger tournaments and bigger schools for our schedule. I rather not wrestle Camanche, Goose Lake, Durant ect. Just not going to get much out of it but lopsided W's.

I agree with Finn - as said before Assumption would do just fine at Battle of Waterloo, Urbandale and Keith Young. I think they would benefit from it.

Not testy at all -you just have a chip on your shoulder for Bettendorf. Easy to be opnionated when you hide behind an alias. Hope you have a good day because I am.
 
I have chip for people who claim that its their way or the wrong way.
All I have said is Assumption has wrestled some pretty decent competition wthout having to go to KC to do it.
Your chip is Assumption's kids may have a better record than some kid who goes to a strong tournament. Who cares? I thought we agreed on that point but you continue to insinuate that somehow Assumption's kids records are inferior because they have no out of state kids on their schedule.

Why are my opinions less than yours and why do Bett fans dismiss the MAC meet where Assumption won 8-11 head to head matches? Apparently that day the schedule didn't matter. But now, after Bett won the dual, the weak schedule topic is back and your padded record statement is right at the top.

If I hurt your feelings by expressing my opinions, then I apologize.
Go Dogs!
 
"People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along..??"

Stroker really was the #2 seed at the MAC? He is the best freshmen wrestler in the state. Think he will be satisfied at Bett all 4 years?

I don't think anyone can criticize what Bett and Ass do to prepare for state, seems like it works just fine for both, especially Ass last year when Grothus and others peaked and they brought home first.
 
I would like you to point out where I specifically posted that "Assumption" had padded records. I said we would have padded records if we chose to wrestle some of the tournaments that are in our area.

In fact Assumption and Bettendorf practiced together this week as it benefits both teams. I hope they win the 2A title and hope we are able to step up and do the same in 3A. Only time will tell.

Your apology is not needed as I really don't have any feelings from what I have been told.
 
This why I assumed the padded record comments have been directed at Assumption. Good Friendly conversation!


"I personally have stated that Assumption is a good team and will compete with anyone. I just think they have some padded records by choosing some of the lower quality tournaments. They would silence some critics by going to Battle of Waterloos, Keith Youngs or Ed Wingers. They clearly are good enough."
This post was edited on 1/16 6:26 PM by bubsdad
 
Maybe this is a bad example but i've never figured out why Carton is not given much credit in national rankings. I think some of the Bett wrestlers are a little over-rated. Wrestling in the bigger tournaments must be the difference. I also think wrestling the tougher tournaments helped Bett land Stroker. Not only does he want to wrestle the best in Iowa but also the midwest too.
 
Shaw is the only nationally ranked wrestler. I do think Stroker should be as well as Carton.
 
don't know much about kids around the state, but in my opinion Geerdes from CL-GLR is the best at 220. Have seen him & he is good!
 
jdfan, Willie Miklus from southeast polk is hands down the best wrestler in the state at 220. There is a reason why he is ranked #3 in the nation. Also Nate Shaw from bettendorf is one heck of a wrestler at 220 and ranked #19 in the nation.
 
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