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ADM vs Harlan - for the playoff spot

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Both of these two teams are down a little in comparison to where they were just a few years ago, but whoever wins the game will get the final playoff spot in District 8.

Will Harlan be able to shut down ADM's passing attack?
Can ADM avoid turnovers to keep Harlan from getting easy points?

Per BCMoore's website, they have ADM as a touchdown favorite. I tend to agree and think ADM will shut Harlan out of the playoffs for the first time since 1994.
 
Harlan's TB has been around 180 and 170 the past few games. None of his carries were easy....tough kid to bring down.

ADM throws the crap outta the ball.

Creston put up about 200+ on the ground
Glenwood also over 200+ on the ground
Same for winterset.

So if Harlan can run the ball they can be in it until the end.

It comes down to play calling, controlling the clock.

Harlan has to run the ball and have a 2 to 1 TOP if they are going to win. I don't think Harlan's defense can stop the ADM passing game but if it comes to a punch vs. punch Bladt has a way of pulling out these games.


ADM has to not turn over the ball and Harlan has had problems with QB that can get outta the pocket and make plays....Simmons, Nielson, Ross and Kloewer all over 100 yards or so on the ground.

So, if Harlan can control the clock and keep their defense on the bench - Harlan 28 - 20

if not:

ADM big 40 - 14
 
Pretty much nailed it. Harlan will have to pressure the ADM QB and rattle him to win this game. If they can't it will be a long night for them. It appears Norwalk wasn't able to rattle him last week so I'd be thinking Harlan may not either.

I'd pick ADM by a couple Whiz Bangs.
 
harlan makes too many mistakes to win....they had the ball at the glenwood 10 yd last week twice with 1st and 10, and then all the mistakes. it was like 2 penalties twice in a row, holding, offsides, things like that. this team just does not like success once they get into position to do something good

This post was edited on 10/22 1:57 PM by ronsss
 
Anyone know where Lou is at???????? Kind of expected to see him jumping on this thread!!!
 
Norwalk has a good ball club and for ADM to beat them last week, that's a statement. Harlan hasn't made any statement since week one, except of showing each week that they aren't very good. I'll be surprised if Harlan wins this one.
 
Norwalk is good? I am not saying Harlan will win but Norwalk good? Besides Winterset not sure who they have beat through the season that is any good. QB is going to be very good but to say the team is good?

Hmm, and on the logic that ADM beat them so Harlan can't win....you are right...using that logic since ADM lost to creston by 10 and Harlan lost to Creston by 15 the score should be ADM 5 - Harlan 0. You are correct sir.

Hmm, ADM beat atlantic by 10 and Harlan beat Atlantic by 3 so ADM 7 - Harlan 0

Hmm. ADM lost to DCG by 1 Harlan lost to DCG by 34 so ADM 33 - Harlan 0

Stop already. Like I said if Harlan can control the clock and run the ball they can be in it. If they can't stop Weiland from throwing they have no shot. This is a pretty basic game. run vs. throw..
 
Good Lord foofoo. Sorry for having an opinion. Apparently, next time I'll run by you whatever drivel I'm thinking of posting. All I was saying is that ADM must be better then I thought they were as I have seen Norwalk play several times this year and they are a tough, physical team that throws the ball well. Not sure why that ruffled your feathers so much. I didn't do any direct comparisons of the teams that ADM and Harlan played this year, that seemed to come from you. I also don't recall saying that Harlan can't win either. I'll leave the Harlan - ADM expertise to you..
 
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Yeah, where has that guy been? Seems awhile ago when they were at the top of the district he was everywhere, now not so much.
 
Well well well, just because I lurk in the shadows doesn't mean my blood still isn't red, and my heart isn't still black.

I have sincere concern that the current follies that have been 'Lil Cyclone football have changed the way of life for our friends out there in Shelby County. The program that once prided itself on their players putting in a good practice every day only to go home and shovel hog turds, have now become the turds themselves. Embarrassing losses up and down the schedule, what has this once great western Iowa burg been reduced to. Let's face it, other than Friday nights, and the square dance every August, there was never a lot for the LC's to take pride in out there. Part of me has a sympathetic tear for them, but it turned out that I just had something in my eye.

A new day has dawned, and the pendulum of power in the renown Interstate 80 corridor 3A football has moved about 70 miles to the east my friends. Get a shovel, dust off your work boots and start digging. The end-date on the headstone for Harlan football has finally arrived. Whizbangs, parades through town, free pizza again at the Italian Villiage (allegedly), going to be a great night to be a TIGER. We're loyal to you.......
 
Originally posted by oonfoofoo:
Norwalk is good? I am not saying Harlan will win but Norwalk good? Besides Winterset not sure who they have beat through the season that is any good. QB is going to be very good but to say the team is good?

Hmm, and on the logic that ADM beat them so Harlan can't win....you are right...using that logic since ADM lost to creston by 10 and Harlan lost to Creston by 15 the score should be ADM 5 - Harlan 0. You are correct sir.

Hmm, ADM beat atlantic by 10 and Harlan beat Atlantic by 3 so ADM 7 - Harlan 0

Hmm. ADM lost to DCG by 1 Harlan lost to DCG by 34 so ADM 33 - Harlan 0

Stop already. Like I said if Harlan can control the clock and run the ball they can be in it. If they can't stop Weiland from throwing they have no shot. This is a pretty basic game. run vs. throw..
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Oonfoofoo,

Have you seen Norwalk play this year, or even last year? Norwalk always seems to look good and have big, strong athletes, but never seem to get things together. Of course, winning games is a pretty good indicator of "who's good". To that end, and in agreement with your point, Norwalk has, IMO, under performed...and their 4-4 record is a reality. Still, that is not a bad team and should not be taken lightly. They have some pretty good players.
 
Caribou_Lou - That's definitely the post of the week!


Originally posted by Caribou_Lou:
Well well well, just because I lurk in the shadows doesn't mean my blood still isn't red, and my heart isn't still black.

I have sincere concern that the current follies that have been 'Lil Cyclone football have changed the way of life for our friends out there in Shelby County. The program that once prided itself on their players putting in a good practice every day only to go home and shovel hog turds, have now become the turds themselves. Embarrassing losses up and down the schedule, what has this once great western Iowa burg been reduced to. Let's face it, other than Friday nights, and the square dance every August, there was never a lot for the LC's to take pride in out there. Part of me has a sympathetic tear for them, but it turned out that I just had something in my eye.

A new day has dawned, and the pendulum of power in the renown Interstate 80 corridor 3A football has moved about 70 miles to the east my friends. Get a shovel, dust off your work boots and start digging. The end-date on the headstone for Harlan football has finally arrived. Whizbangs, parades through town, free pizza again at the Italian Villiage (allegedly), going to be a great night to be a TIGER. We're loyal to you.......
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In my opinion the best way to describe Norwalk's team and program would be solid. They are by no means a weak opponent or program and if you think of them as such, you'll lose.

Lou, is it true ADM will be using a special Whiz Bang tonight? One of the staffers informed me that the science department has developed one that travels twice as high and delivers twice the payload. Seems it was specially designed so that the people in Harlan who stay home will still hear everytime the Tigers score.
 
Thanks Lou.... I'm actually having a pretty crappy day, but your post brought a smile to my face and made me chuckle.
 
Oh Lou....one season does not a dynasty make. Much as the single Jordan Grove season of days of lore hath made ADM.

We do have one saving grace that this losing season has granted us. With all of the banners and trophies that we continue to bring in we have run out of room in the trophy cases - notice the plurality of cases (I have had the pleasure to wander the Adel - Desoto - ??? halls and have noticed that the cupboards are mighty bare). We had to bring in Kiewit engineering to help us re-architect our entrance hall to the building because we had to start stacking trophies on top of trophies.

Let's take a look at those record books - now keep in mind I only find the ADM a few times....but I can find Adel many, many times...2A? Really?

Let's go on to history - recent history:


First round - OUT Denison - about 100 miles West
First round - OUT Harlan - we know how far
First Round - OUT
First Round - OUT heelan west side

Oh and then 2009 rolls along...Sub State: YOU GUYS WON!!!! SWEET!!!!!
First Round:Holy crap did that say 48 - 0? Was that by those goddamn blue collar tweekers over yonder?

2010 you guys won a first round game!!! Awesome....sucks that Pella beat the holy living crap outta ya....

You guys actually made it the semis one year? Sweet...

Then back to reality...2012 bit you in the ass as did Spencer as did Carroll and 2013...Carroll the real Tigers eh?

I think it was mentioned somewhere you had some guy named Kinnick but we see how that has turned out over the years.

So enough of this history lesson.

It should be a good night over in Mediocrity town tonight, hopefully it turns out like Harlan baseball kicked the crap out of you, basketball (both girls and guys) has rolled over you a few times, volleyball swept your ass under the rug....holy S**T I can't find in recent history that you have even come close once...in any sport.

Your turn






This post was edited on 10/24 1:45 PM by oonfoofoo
 
Ah yes, I have seen Norwalk play. Nephew on the team. It just so happens that I was at the Creston game as I was when Harlan played Creston. That is where I get my judgement. Harlan is not good and their showing against Creston was not far off from what I saw from Norwalk against Creston. Brandsfield looks good, but that's all that I walked out of there with.

Nothing meant against Norwalk but to get on here and say "ADM beat Norwalk" so there - is the same way my wife thinks...."wait they beat so and so by 60 so how did that happen". She's an idiot for thinking that way just like whomever the poster was that said ADM beat Norwalk so therefore it's foregone conclusion that Harlan will suck.
 
Yep, unfortunately I have to get some work done this afternoon, which doesn't involve the following: Taking off my overboots, trying to figure out how to get the pigsh1t smell out of my hair, tuning up my 85 Camaro, or making an appointment to get my party in the back trimmed.
 
F**K me... That's it? Redneck, white trash, farmer retorts? That is it?

Ok,
overboots...check
pigsh1t...nope, cows
85 camaro...oh hell no. Trans Am Mother F******ER. Kid Rock and Joe dirt out here
Party in the back....check

I feel just like

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Wow, I didn't realize the ADM/Harlan game had become such a rivalry. Either way, I wish I could head over to Adel to take in the game.

On a side note.....has ADM ever beat Harlan in football?
 
Any tailgating tonight at ADM? I did hear that the special ghost white helmets may be coming out tonight for Halloween.
 
Originally posted by mtdew_fever:
Wow, I didn't realize the ADM/Harlan game had become such a rivalry. Either way, I wish I could head over to Adel to take in the game.

On a side note.....has ADM ever beat Harlan in football?
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I can't remember that they have in recent history but there's a good chance it could happen tonight.

Not a rivalry at all...I think for a rivalry one team has to compete
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Just me n Lou.....I wasn't planning on attending tonight but I feel that I might just have to make that trek to what all the hype is around Lou. Don't really care about the game...just wanna drink a few beers with Lou in my Trans AM.

And judging over the past few years in all sports it's been one sided.
 
Originally posted by Caribou_Lou:
Any tailgating tonight at ADM? I did hear that the special ghost white helmets may be coming out tonight for Halloween.
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Oh man....did I detect a little racism there? Are you from Ames?
 
Originally posted by fmclonefan:
Good Lord foofoo. Sorry for having an opinion. Apparently, next time I'll run by you whatever drivel I'm thinking of posting. All I was saying is that ADM must be better then I thought they were as I have seen Norwalk play several times this year and they are a tough, physical team that throws the ball well. Not sure why that ruffled your feathers so much. I didn't do any direct comparisons of the teams that ADM and Harlan played this year, that seemed to come from you. I also don't recall saying that Harlan can't win either. I'll leave the Harlan - ADM expertise to you..
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Are you saying "Good Lord foofoo" - noun / adjective? or "Good lord foofoo" verb?

Oh yeah you did...that's exactly what you said.
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This is fun!
 
Harlan vs Adel ADM

Date Team Score Opponent Score O Notes
11/03/1999 W @ Harlan 24 Adel ADM 7
09/19/2008 W Harlan 31 @ Adel ADM 30 1
09/18/2009 W @ Harlan 42 Adel ADM 14
11/02/2009 W @ Harlan 48 Adel ADM 0
10/19/2012 W @ Harlan 23 Adel ADM 17 1
10/25/2013 W Harlan 30 @ Adel ADM 7

UPDATED:

Harlan runs for 200+, 0 turnovers and has 3 picks
10/24/2014 W Harlan 24 @Adel ADM 21
10/24/2014 W oonfoofoo L Lou

Harlan runs < 200, < 3 Picks ADM owns big plays
10/24/2014 L Harlan 7 Adel ADM 42
10/24/2014 L oonfoofoo W Lou
 
Coach Whiz almost coached ADM into a loss vs Harlan on Friday. ADM was controlling the game in the 1st half, the Harlan had the 2nd half.

What was the difference? Coach Whiz continues to 2 way his players. When other teams sub to keep their 1st teamers fresh, he doesn't and his teams always wear down....whether it's in the 2nd half of a game or his top players that never see the sideline always seem to become injured by the end of the year.
 
Originally posted by mtdew_fever:
Coach Whiz almost coached ADM into a loss vs Harlan on Friday. ADM was controlling the game in the 1st half, the Harlan had the 2nd half.

What was the difference? Coach Whiz continues to 2 way his players. When other teams sub to keep their 1st teamers fresh, he doesn't and his teams always wear down....whether it's in the 2nd half of a game or his top players that never see the sideline always seem to become injured by the end of the year.
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Turned out to be a good game and Harlan's youth showed. I only know that with that offense your specialists better be in good shape if they are going both ways. 7 was all that was expected....good, accurate and not a bad runner for a big guy.

It's going to be interesting to see how Carroll handles all of the throwing....

I have a question...number 55 went down hard toward the end of the game....do you know if he was alright?
 
So much anger over teams that are going to lose in the first round of the stupid expanded playoffs...
 
anger? Nah.

Just a little fun...unless Louie want to take me out back and beat the crap outta me.
 
Two programs that were about equal last year that went two different directions this year.

Congrats to Harlan on the District Title ( yes I realize it was a 3-way but you are the 1 Seed and therefore Champs in my book).
 
Oh I would go that far. ADM was a very good team last year and I thought that it was going to be much closer last week. From what I heard it looked like ADM just wasn't into the game.
Is Weiland playing anywhere next year?
 
It's all about coaching staff between the two schools. Coach Whizz at ADM just doesn't get it and his team's will always under achieve. The past 20 years or however long he's been at AFM doesn't lie.
 
oonfoofoo said:
Is there any big brother factor with DCG there? Do kids go to DCG over ADM?
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I think there have been a couple of kids in their district that have went to DCG but not a large number. And I believe they lived right on the district borders also.
 
I'm not aware of any significant players that DCG has gotten from ADM but I do believe the Waukee kid playing line for Iowa was a transfer from ADM.

I've been familiar with ADM athletics for some time both in watching games and talking to family and friends from our western neighbors. Some of ADM's athletic problems are self inflicted and some are not.

ADM still remains a smaller 3A school. Also a factor that probably erodes their numbers is that they have a lot of academically gifted kids. Year in and out you will see them often listed in the Top 10 academic high schools in the state (all classes). That has got to conflict with sports particularly if they are small to begin with. I've heard they are finally starting to experience heavy growth so numbers might not be as much of an issue going forward.

The part they can control is that with the exception of soccer none of the ADM sports really work at developing a program. They seem to be too busy trying to figure out how to make the best of what they have instead of developing a program which develops kids. That is a problem which sometimes is a product of the parent led levels and issues already exist by the time the coaches get hold of the kids. Until they get that figured out their athletics as a whole will sway back and forth according to how athletic the individuals in the class are which was the case a few years back when an extremely athletic class took them to state in multiple sports for a couple of years.

Dew...it's a problem beyond coaches and not just limited to football.
 
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