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Total fvkn bullshit. if there are WMDs in Ukraine the Soviets would have taken them like they did the warheads .

This is Rusky commie propaganda being introduced here to explain a possible attack if they choose to do it like they did in Syria… and the same RWM that supported the Trumpsky / Putin alliance is STILL doing it. Part of his “genius “in a peacekeeper mission”.

What former POTUS said that??
I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature (in fact, I detest conspiracy theorists), but the ONLY logical reason Trump is the way he is about Putin is that he's bought and paid for, 100% corrupted by the Kremlin. There's no other way to explain that and things like this...

 
I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature (in fact, I detest conspiracy theorists),

Ditto...99.9% of that crap is just retarded (see Occam's razor).


but the ONLY logical reason Trump is the way he is about Putin is that he's bought and paid for, 100% corrupted by the Kremlin. There's no other way to explain that and things like this...

Couldn't disagree more. I don't like Trump but this one of the things that I did like about him.

Trump knows all of those fvckers are evil. But it's damn difficult to make progress, or get one up on them, if you don't engage with them.

The best way to get to a table with them, stroke their MASSIVE egos and their inflated impressions of themselves. Despots are a typeset. They're all rather similar. Trump understood that because, LOL, he has a similar personality.
 
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Ditto...99.9% of that crap is just retarded (see Occam's razor).




Couldn't disagree more. I don't like Trump but this one of the things that I did like about him.

Trump knows all of those fvckers are evil. But it's damn difficult to make progress, or get one up on them, if you don't engage with them.

The best way to get to a table with them, stroke their MASSIVE egos and their inflated impressions of themselves. Despots are a typeset. They're all rather similar. Trump understood that because, LOL, he has a similar personality.
Oh, I ran through this scenario in my mind. But the flaw in that argument is that this assumes (obviously) that Trump is trying to come back into power. But if there's one thing that Trump is good at above all else (besides speaking like a mafia boss to avoid prosecution), is putting his finger to the political winds to figure out how to gain political power. Polls show approximately 90% of America hates Putin. Putin has united America like nothing else in the last 8 years. It's almost political suicide, even for Trump. It defies all logic other than corruption. Especially when factoring in the overwhelming amount of Russian money ties. Per Business Insider...

  • Trump's interest in doing business in Russia was first piqued in 1986, when he met the Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin and they began discussing building a "large luxury hotel across the street from the Kremlin in partnership with the Soviet government," as Trump recounted in his 1987 book, "The Art of the Deal."
  • Trump traveled to Russia in 1987 to survey potential locations for his hotel as landmark policies like perestroika and glasnost made the Soviet Union more open to foreign investments.
  • Trump in 1988 said the hotel plan failed because "in the Soviet Union, you don't own anything. It's hard to conjure up spending hundreds of millions of dollars on something and not own."
  • Trump went back to Russia in 1996 and announced a plan to invest $250 million in Russian real estate and slap his name on two luxury residential buildings.
  • Trump boasted about his plan when he met the Russian politician Aleksandr Lebed in New York in 1997, telling Lebed, "We are actually looking at something in Moscow right now ... Only quality stuff. And we're working with the local government, the mayor of Moscow, and the mayor's people. So far, they've been very responsive ..." The plan never came to fruition.
  • But that wasn't the end of Trump's connection to Russian money. According to The Washington Post, the real estate mogul began seeing significant returns from Russian investments in US properties bearing the Trump name in the 2000s.
  • A Reuters investigation last year found that at least 63 individuals with Russian passports or addresses have bought at least $98.4 million worth of property in seven Trump-branded luxury towers in southern Florida, for instance.
  • Reuters noted that its tally of Russian investors may be conservative. At least 703 — or about one-third — of the owners of the 2,044 units in the seven Trump buildings are limited liability companies, or LLCs, which have the ability to hide the identity of a property's true owner.
  • In the mid-2000s, the Trump Organization partnered with a company called the Bayrock Group, contracting it to pursue a development deal in Moscow. This effort was led by the Russian-born businessman Felix Sater, who's become a key figure in Mueller's investigation and Cohen's plea deal.
  • In 2005, Sater found a former pencil factory he thought could be converted into a high-end skyscraper, and was in discussions with Russian investors about it. The deal ultimately fell through, but Sater continued to maintain a relationship with the Trump Organization.
  • At a real estate conference in 2008, Donald Trump Jr. discussed the family's attempts to break into the Russian business world. "As much as we want to take our business over there, Russia is just a different world," he said at the time. "It is a question of who knows who, whose brother is paying off who...It really is a scary place." Trump Jr. at that point had traveled to Russia a number of times, including a 2006 visit with Sater his sister, Ivanka Trump, and Sater.
  • At the 2008 conference, Trump Jr. also said, "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets." He explained that despite the difficulties his family had in trying to build in Russia they were still determined to keep pushing for it. In the 18 months prior to the conference, Trump Jr. made six trips to Russia.
  • In 2013, Trump traveled to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant. During the visit, he said, "I have plans for the establishment of business in Russia. Now, I am in talks with several Russian companies to establish this skyscraper."
  • In 2015 and 2016, Cohen and Sater teamed up in an attempt to put up a Trump Tower in Moscow. Cohen said discussions on the plan lasted until June 2016, which was after Trump had clinched the GOP nomination for president.
  • Cohen was in touch with the office of Russian President Vladimir Putin's press secretary over the matter, which reportedly included a plan to offer Putin a $50 million penthouse in the tower. Those talks fell through as well and the plan eventually crumbled.
 
Oh, I ran through this scenario in my mind. But the flaw in that argument is that this assumes (obviously) that Trump is trying to come back into power. But if there's one thing that Trump is good at above all else (besides speaking like a mafia boss to avoid prosecution), is putting his finger to the political winds to figure out how to gain political power. Polls show approximately 90% of America hates Putin. Putin has united America like nothing else in the last 8 years. It's almost political suicide, even for Trump. It defies all logic other than corruption. Especially when factoring in the overwhelming amount of Russian money ties. Per Business Insider...

  • Trump's interest in doing business in Russia was first piqued in 1986, when he met the Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin and they began discussing building a "large luxury hotel across the street from the Kremlin in partnership with the Soviet government," as Trump recounted in his 1987 book, "The Art of the Deal."
  • Trump traveled to Russia in 1987 to survey potential locations for his hotel as landmark policies like perestroika and glasnost made the Soviet Union more open to foreign investments.
  • Trump in 1988 said the hotel plan failed because "in the Soviet Union, you don't own anything. It's hard to conjure up spending hundreds of millions of dollars on something and not own."
  • Trump went back to Russia in 1996 and announced a plan to invest $250 million in Russian real estate and slap his name on two luxury residential buildings.
  • Trump boasted about his plan when he met the Russian politician Aleksandr Lebed in New York in 1997, telling Lebed, "We are actually looking at something in Moscow right now ... Only quality stuff. And we're working with the local government, the mayor of Moscow, and the mayor's people. So far, they've been very responsive ..." The plan never came to fruition.
  • But that wasn't the end of Trump's connection to Russian money. According to The Washington Post, the real estate mogul began seeing significant returns from Russian investments in US properties bearing the Trump name in the 2000s.
  • A Reuters investigation last year found that at least 63 individuals with Russian passports or addresses have bought at least $98.4 million worth of property in seven Trump-branded luxury towers in southern Florida, for instance.
  • Reuters noted that its tally of Russian investors may be conservative. At least 703 — or about one-third — of the owners of the 2,044 units in the seven Trump buildings are limited liability companies, or LLCs, which have the ability to hide the identity of a property's true owner.
  • In the mid-2000s, the Trump Organization partnered with a company called the Bayrock Group, contracting it to pursue a development deal in Moscow. This effort was led by the Russian-born businessman Felix Sater, who's become a key figure in Mueller's investigation and Cohen's plea deal.
  • In 2005, Sater found a former pencil factory he thought could be converted into a high-end skyscraper, and was in discussions with Russian investors about it. The deal ultimately fell through, but Sater continued to maintain a relationship with the Trump Organization.
  • At a real estate conference in 2008, Donald Trump Jr. discussed the family's attempts to break into the Russian business world. "As much as we want to take our business over there, Russia is just a different world," he said at the time. "It is a question of who knows who, whose brother is paying off who...It really is a scary place." Trump Jr. at that point had traveled to Russia a number of times, including a 2006 visit with Sater his sister, Ivanka Trump, and Sater.
  • At the 2008 conference, Trump Jr. also said, "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets." He explained that despite the difficulties his family had in trying to build in Russia they were still determined to keep pushing for it. In the 18 months prior to the conference, Trump Jr. made six trips to Russia.
  • In 2013, Trump traveled to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant. During the visit, he said, "I have plans for the establishment of business in Russia. Now, I am in talks with several Russian companies to establish this skyscraper."
  • In 2015 and 2016, Cohen and Sater teamed up in an attempt to put up a Trump Tower in Moscow. Cohen said discussions on the plan lasted until June 2016, which was after Trump had clinched the GOP nomination for president.
  • Cohen was in touch with the office of Russian President Vladimir Putin's press secretary over the matter, which reportedly included a plan to offer Putin a $50 million penthouse in the tower. Those talks fell through as well and the plan eventually crumbled.

Yes, I've heard all of that before. Trump was similarly chummy with Kim Yong Wutshisnuts. Do you think that Kim has him over a barrel too?

It's a tactic. I know Trump employs it because I read it in one of his business books in the 90's. That and ask for something ridiculous at the beginning of a negotiation. He still does that too.
 
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature (in fact, I detest conspiracy theorists), but the ONLY logical reason Trump is the way he is about Putin is that he's bought and paid for, 100% corrupted by the Kremlin. There's no other way to explain that and things like this...

I don’t think it’s that he is paid for by the Kremlin. I think he is just on the same side of the globalist/nationalist fight. He, Vlad and Xi put their countries first and are fighting a global reset. The rest want a one world government, a NWO if you will.
 
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Gonna be a fun little bump over next few months

thanks Stupid

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Agreed but not in the way you think. Nationalist communism alliance vs a peace keeping organization of capitalism and free enterprise. If you think we are prepared at this time to be isolated from global trade alliances you are a lunatic.

That's very true, but if Columbus had landed on Cuba instead of Hispaniola, the Corrleone family never loses the casinos.
 
Oh, I ran through this scenario in my mind. But the flaw in that argument is that this assumes (obviously) that Trump is trying to come back into power. But if there's one thing that Trump is good at above all else (besides speaking like a mafia boss to avoid prosecution), is putting his finger to the political winds to figure out how to gain political power. Polls show approximately 90% of America hates Putin. Putin has united America like nothing else in the last 8 years. It's almost political suicide, even for Trump. It defies all logic other than corruption. Especially when factoring in the overwhelming amount of Russian money ties. Per Business Insider...

  • Trump's interest in doing business in Russia was first piqued in 1986, when he met the Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin and they began discussing building a "large luxury hotel across the street from the Kremlin in partnership with the Soviet government," as Trump recounted in his 1987 book, "The Art of the Deal."
  • Trump traveled to Russia in 1987 to survey potential locations for his hotel as landmark policies like perestroika and glasnost made the Soviet Union more open to foreign investments.
  • Trump in 1988 said the hotel plan failed because "in the Soviet Union, you don't own anything. It's hard to conjure up spending hundreds of millions of dollars on something and not own."
  • Trump went back to Russia in 1996 and announced a plan to invest $250 million in Russian real estate and slap his name on two luxury residential buildings.
  • Trump boasted about his plan when he met the Russian politician Aleksandr Lebed in New York in 1997, telling Lebed, "We are actually looking at something in Moscow right now ... Only quality stuff. And we're working with the local government, the mayor of Moscow, and the mayor's people. So far, they've been very responsive ..." The plan never came to fruition.
  • But that wasn't the end of Trump's connection to Russian money. According to The Washington Post, the real estate mogul began seeing significant returns from Russian investments in US properties bearing the Trump name in the 2000s.
  • A Reuters investigation last year found that at least 63 individuals with Russian passports or addresses have bought at least $98.4 million worth of property in seven Trump-branded luxury towers in southern Florida, for instance.
  • Reuters noted that its tally of Russian investors may be conservative. At least 703 — or about one-third — of the owners of the 2,044 units in the seven Trump buildings are limited liability companies, or LLCs, which have the ability to hide the identity of a property's true owner.
  • In the mid-2000s, the Trump Organization partnered with a company called the Bayrock Group, contracting it to pursue a development deal in Moscow. This effort was led by the Russian-born businessman Felix Sater, who's become a key figure in Mueller's investigation and Cohen's plea deal.
  • In 2005, Sater found a former pencil factory he thought could be converted into a high-end skyscraper, and was in discussions with Russian investors about it. The deal ultimately fell through, but Sater continued to maintain a relationship with the Trump Organization.
  • At a real estate conference in 2008, Donald Trump Jr. discussed the family's attempts to break into the Russian business world. "As much as we want to take our business over there, Russia is just a different world," he said at the time. "It is a question of who knows who, whose brother is paying off who...It really is a scary place." Trump Jr. at that point had traveled to Russia a number of times, including a 2006 visit with Sater his sister, Ivanka Trump, and Sater.
  • At the 2008 conference, Trump Jr. also said, "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets." He explained that despite the difficulties his family had in trying to build in Russia they were still determined to keep pushing for it. In the 18 months prior to the conference, Trump Jr. made six trips to Russia.
  • In 2013, Trump traveled to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant. During the visit, he said, "I have plans for the establishment of business in Russia. Now, I am in talks with several Russian companies to establish this skyscraper."
  • In 2015 and 2016, Cohen and Sater teamed up in an attempt to put up a Trump Tower in Moscow. Cohen said discussions on the plan lasted until June 2016, which was after Trump had clinched the GOP nomination for president.
  • Cohen was in touch with the office of Russian President Vladimir Putin's press secretary over the matter, which reportedly included a plan to offer Putin a $50 million penthouse in the tower. Those talks fell through as well and the plan eventually crumbled.
Ownage
 
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That's very true, but if Columbus had landed on Cuba instead of Hispaniola, the Corrleone family never loses the casinos.
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