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A number of legal scholars & experts are quoted here agreeing that NY Law was broken and DJT can appeal on a number of reasons to throw this kangaroo case out. I say certainly #1, #2, & #5 should be plenty.

Gator, which one do you like best? I'll wait for it... 🤣

Many have criticized Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s decision to bring the case in the first place, especially for not specifying the underlying crime President Trump allegedly sought to commit while falsifying documents.
1. Felony falsification of business records requires the fraud to be carried out to commit or conceal another crime.
Mr. Bragg has said that “the indictment doesn’t specify the other crime because the law does not so require.”
John Shu, a constitutional law expert who served in both Bush administrations, told The Epoch Times he didn’t think the indictment was “constitutionally acceptable.” “The indictment seemed intentionally vague, so much so that Bragg, not the grand jury, submitted a separate statement of facts,” Mr. Shu said.
This was the key aspect of the case that allowed Mr. Bragg to raise the charges to felonies rather than misdemeanors. It also allowed him to bring the case years after the statute of limitations for misdemeanors had expired.
3. Former federal prosecutor Elie Honig wrote in New York Magazine that the case was like “Frankenstein” in that it was “cobbled together with ill-fitting parts into an ugly, awkward, but more-or-less functioning contraption that just might ultimately turn on its creator.”
4. The somewhat ambiguous nature of the prosecution spilled over into how Justice Merchan instructed the jury to reach a verdict. Jurors were instructed that they didn’t have to unanimously agree on the unlawful conduct that President Trump allegedly committed in an attempt to influence the 2016 election—only that he caused one of three forms.
Heritage Foundation Vice President John Malcolm doubted whether the jury instructions complied with New York law.
“I think [President Trump’s] got a reasonable argument that … the judge’s instruction violated New York law,” he told The Epoch Times.
Mr. Shu similarly criticized the jury instructions as generally overbroad and vague.
5. George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley, who said the trial had “multiple layers of reversible error,” also questioned Justice Merchan’s rulings during the trial. “In watching Merchan in the courtroom, I was shocked by his rulings as at times incomprehensible and conflicted,” Mr. Turley wrote for The Hill.
Testimony from the prosecution’s primary witnesses—were cited by attorneys as grounds for appeal. In Mr. Cohen’s testimony, he acknowledged to previously pleading guilty to federal election crimes related to the alleged payoff to Ms. Clifford. The prosecution then used that as a basis to allege federal election violations had occurred.
6. Meanwhile, the court prevented former Federal Election Commission Chair Brad Smith from testifying on whether President Trump violated campaign finance laws.
“It’s distinctly unfair,” Mr. Shu said, for Justice Merchan to allow Mr. Cohen to testify on federal campaign finance issues but to then deny President Trump the chance to dispute the legal basis of Mr. Cohen’s testimony with an expert witness, Mr. Smith, who is a law professor and former FEC chairman.
 
I can’t believe the fate of our country is left in the hands of Trump.

We’re so screwed because of his massive ego

Biden doesn’t know what world he is in and we have little idea who actuallly makes policy. We only know that it is a great reset and the far left and their stooges are changing it forever

Sad times for this country
 
I can’t believe the fate of our country is left in the hands of Trump.

We’re so screwed because of his massive ego

Biden doesn’t know what world he is in and we have little idea who actuallly makes policy. We only know that it is a great reset and the far left and their stooges are changing it forever

Sad times for this country

Dumbass Republican primary voters put us in this position. He’s obviously the better of the two options, but it’s just such a damn shame this is the garbage we have to vote for.
 
Dumbass Republican primary voters put us in this position. He’s obviously the better of the two options, but it’s just such a damn shame this is the garbage we have to vote for.

He’s gonna lose (fair election or not)….we all lose

4 more years of Biden could make us a socialist hell hole with reduced rights… double the scotus and no options
 
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He’s gonna lose (fair election or not)….we all lose

4 more years of Biden could make us a socialist hell hole with reduced rights… double the scotus and no options
Reduction of rights? Name one?

Here’s a big glaring one for you.. a woman’s right to emergency health or even to fertility/conception or contraception itself.

The Cult will try to smokescreen this and package it with abortion rights. It is not. It is true “right to life discussion. I am anti-abortion. But common sense has be considered .

Felon Trumpsky even supports “ pregnancy reporting “ . Does this sound like preserving or losing rights to you?

I hope that none of you people have daughters or wives of reproductive age. If you do -you could lose them. I have seen it in play .

The Baptists just made IVF illegal . Catholics have alway been there. It’s part of the religious rights PACs conquest of women’s rights in most all MAGA states,

IVF has been banned by hyper religious AL and other state Supreme Courts… other states and federal legislation is in play to codify it after the general election . They know they lose huge if they admit future plans for reproductive control.

My daughter and late wife experienced multiple miscarriages but we now have children and grandchildren with help of IVF.

The hypocrisy ls stunning. There are even men and women in state or federal legislatures who have had IVF children but are forced to vote against it to hold the Trump Party line.

Pregnant women experiencing spontaneous natural miscarriages can hemorrhage to death before a D&C can be performed. Also incomplete miscarriages can cause infertility. Ectopic pregnancy can result in maternal death.

Do you believe that these women should be treated in every state? Because right now - most ERs staff will reject women in miscarriage because they could be charged with murder.

Now I know you people are absolutely a Cult. Here’s the test . I’m thinking 90% of you fûckers support government control of reproduction.

Is this a government restriction of rights under the Religious Right Cult ?
 
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Reduction of rights? Name one?

Here’s a big glaring one for you.. a woman’s right to emergency health or even to fertility/conception or contraception itself.

The Cult will try to smokescreen this and package it with abortion rights. It is not. It is true “right to life discussion. I am anti-abortion. But common sense has be considered .

Felon Trumpsky even supports “ pregnancy reporting “ . Does this sound like preserving or losing rights to you?

I hope that none of you people have daughters or wives of reproductive age. If you do -you could lose them. I have seen it in play .

The Baptists just made IVF illegal . Catholics have alway been there. It’s part of the religious rights PACs conquest of women’s rights in most all MAGA states,

IVF has been banned by hyper religious AL and other state Supreme Courts… other states and federal legislation is in play to codify it after the general election . They know they lose huge if they admit future plans for reproductive control.

My daughter and late wife experienced multiple miscarriages but we now have children and grandchildren with help of IVF.

The hypocrisy ls stunning. There are even men and women in state or federal legislatures who have had IVF children but are forced to vote against it to hold the Trump Party line.

Pregnant women experiencing spontaneous natural miscarriages can hemorrhage to death before a D&C can be performed. Also incomplete miscarriages can cause infertility. Ectopic pregnancy can result in maternal death.

Do you believe that these women should be treated in every state? Because right now - most ERs staff will reject women in miscarriage because they could be charged with murder.

Now I know you people are absolutely a Cult. Here’s the test . I’m thinking 90% of you fûckers support government control of reproduction.

Is this a government restriction of rights under the Religious Right Cult ?

I’m glad you can read MSNBC and Vox opinion columns.
 
Reduction of rights? Name one?

Here’s a big glaring one for you.. a woman’s right to emergency health or even to fertility/conception or contraception itself.

The Cult will try to smokescreen this and package it with abortion rights. It is not. It is true “right to life discussion. I am anti-abortion. But common sense has be considered .

Felon Trumpsky even supports “ pregnancy reporting “ . Does this sound like preserving or losing rights to you?

I hope that none of you people have daughters or wives of reproductive age. If you do -you could lose them. I have seen it in play .

The Baptists just made IVF illegal . Catholics have alway been there. It’s part of the religious rights PACs conquest of women’s rights in most all MAGA states,

IVF has been banned by hyper religious AL and other state Supreme Courts… other states and federal legislation is in play to codify it after the general election . They know they lose huge if they admit future plans for reproductive control.

My daughter and late wife experienced multiple miscarriages but we now have children and grandchildren with help of IVF.

The hypocrisy ls stunning. There are even men and women in state or federal legislatures who have had IVF children but are forced to vote against it to hold the Trump Party line.

Pregnant women experiencing spontaneous natural miscarriages can hemorrhage to death before a D&C can be performed. Also incomplete miscarriages can cause infertility. Ectopic pregnancy can result in maternal death.

Do you believe that these women should be treated in every state? Because right now - most ERs staff will reject women in miscarriage because they could be charged with murder.

Now I know you people are absolutely a Cult. Here’s the test . I’m thinking 90% of you fûckers support government control of reproduction.

Is this a government restriction of rights under the Religious Right Cult ?

so you’re ok with a child 7 months in the womb having scissors shoved through its skull, writhing in pain, before it succumbs and is vacuumed out to be used for research.

Go figure….you’re a ghoul
 
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For the record….this is SQUARELY on the democrats

They would never ever put ANY restrictions on abortion on demand with Roe. Joining countries like North Korea and China (I’m sure Hunter found a way to cut the big guy in in China). No common sense restrictions…rip that kid out minutes before delivery…no problem.


Slippery slope and stuff.

not surprised your democrat party and demon start out with the same letters
 
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Trying to force people to get the Covid vaccine for starters. And before you start talking about school immunizations, no school in this country requires flu vaccines, which is on par with the Covid shit.

2020-2021 was the largest violation of civil rights as a whole this country has seen post civil-war. Thats saying something considering the pre civil rights era.

Good news is we get to choose between the fvcktard that did that, and the fvcktard that said he didn’t violate our civil rights hard enough.
 
Reduction of rights? Name one?

Here’s a big glaring one for you.. a woman’s right to emergency health or even to fertility/conception or contraception itself.

The Cult will try to smokescreen this and package it with abortion rights. It is not. It is true “right to life discussion. I am anti-abortion. But common sense has be considered .

Felon Trumpsky even supports “ pregnancy reporting “ . Does this sound like preserving or losing rights to you?

I hope that none of you people have daughters or wives of reproductive age. If you do -you could lose them. I have seen it in play .

The Baptists just made IVF illegal . Catholics have alway been there. It’s part of the religious rights PACs conquest of women’s rights in most all MAGA states,

IVF has been banned by hyper religious AL and other state Supreme Courts… other states and federal legislation is in play to codify it after the general election . They know they lose huge if they admit future plans for reproductive control.

My daughter and late wife experienced multiple miscarriages but we now have children and grandchildren with help of IVF.

The hypocrisy ls stunning. There are even men and women in state or federal legislatures who have had IVF children but are forced to vote against it to hold the Trump Party line.

Pregnant women experiencing spontaneous natural miscarriages can hemorrhage to death before a D&C can be performed. Also incomplete miscarriages can cause infertility. Ectopic pregnancy can result in maternal death.

Do you believe that these women should be treated in every state? Because right now - most ERs staff will reject women in miscarriage because they could be charged with murder.

Now I know you people are absolutely a Cult. Here’s the test . I’m thinking 90% of you fûckers support government control of reproduction.

Is this a government restriction of rights under the Religious Right Cult ?
You sound like one of the hags on The View. Gotta be some type of accomplishment for you.
 
so you’re ok with a child 7 months in the womb having scissors shoved through its skull, writhing in pain, before it succumbs and is vacuumed out to be used for research.

Go figure….you’re a ghoul
I said that I oppose voluntary abortion..it’s wrong. you ignore that that statement . I get it- Typical lemming diversion to avoid a legitimate question . Please focus and stay on topic. But that require escaping the religious right bubble.

Now.. Are you in favor of a State or Federal Pregancy Registration ? The Felon rapist is.

Do you favor the State or Federal judicial system deciding to charge MDs or mothers with murder if they get a D&C after a miscarriage ? Surgery to remove ectopic pregnancy? The Felon Rapist does. Will you take your wife or daughter to register like a parollee?

Do you support the mothers right to IVF? The rapist felon does not.

The cult reference to common use of the scissor abortion is bullshit. It was a single rogue doctor who was charged with 8 counts of homicide. Y/n?


Like any serial murderer he should get the death penalty and burn in hell.
 
For the record….this is SQUARELY on the democrats

They would never ever put ANY restrictions on abortion on demand with Roe. Joining countries like North Korea and China (I’m sure Hunter found a way to cut the big guy in in China). No common sense restrictions…rip that kid out minutes before delivery…no problem.


Slippery slope and stuff.

not surprised your democrat party and demon start out with the same letters
Link? I can prove what I said.

Still obsessed with the SON OF A POTUS who never held a position to make policy decisions.

There is ZERO evidence of Hunter sending millions to Joe .link it to Comer and Gym Jordan’s they can find a credible witness. The 4 year political prosecution of Hunter is dead. … impeachment is now dead.
Get a life.
 
A number of legal scholars & experts are quoted here agreeing that NY Law was broken and DJT can appeal on a number of reasons to throw this kangaroo case out. I say certainly #1, #2, & #5 should be plenty.

Gator, which one do you like best? I'll wait for it... 🤣

Many have criticized Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s decision to bring the case in the first place, especially for not specifying the underlying crime President Trump allegedly sought to commit while falsifying documents.
1. Felony falsification of business records requires the fraud to be carried out to commit or conceal another crime.
Mr. Bragg has said that “the indictment doesn’t specify the other crime because the law does not so require.”
John Shu, a constitutional law expert who served in both Bush administrations, told The Epoch Times he didn’t think the indictment was “constitutionally acceptable.” “The indictment seemed intentionally vague, so much so that Bragg, not the grand jury, submitted a separate statement of facts,” Mr. Shu said.
This was the key aspect of the case that allowed Mr. Bragg to raise the charges to felonies rather than misdemeanors. It also allowed him to bring the case years after the statute of limitations for misdemeanors had expired.
3. Former federal prosecutor Elie Honig wrote in New York Magazine that the case was like “Frankenstein” in that it was “cobbled together with ill-fitting parts into an ugly, awkward, but more-or-less functioning contraption that just might ultimately turn on its creator.”
4. The somewhat ambiguous nature of the prosecution spilled over into how Justice Merchan instructed the jury to reach a verdict. Jurors were instructed that they didn’t have to unanimously agree on the unlawful conduct that President Trump allegedly committed in an attempt to influence the 2016 election—only that he caused one of three forms.
Heritage Foundation Vice President John Malcolm doubted whether the jury instructions complied with New York law.
“I think [President Trump’s] got a reasonable argument that … the judge’s instruction violated New York law,” he told The Epoch Times.
Mr. Shu similarly criticized the jury instructions as generally overbroad and vague.
5. George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley, who said the trial had “multiple layers of reversible error,” also questioned Justice Merchan’s rulings during the trial. “In watching Merchan in the courtroom, I was shocked by his rulings as at times incomprehensible and conflicted,” Mr. Turley wrote for The Hill.
Testimony from the prosecution’s primary witnesses—were cited by attorneys as grounds for appeal. In Mr. Cohen’s testimony, he acknowledged to previously pleading guilty to federal election crimes related to the alleged payoff to Ms. Clifford. The prosecution then used that as a basis to allege federal election violations had occurred.
6. Meanwhile, the court prevented former Federal Election Commission Chair Brad Smith from testifying on whether President Trump violated campaign finance laws.
“It’s distinctly unfair,” Mr. Shu said, for Justice Merchan to allow Mr. Cohen to testify on federal campaign finance issues but to then deny President Trump the chance to dispute the legal basis of Mr. Cohen’s testimony with an expert witness, Mr. Smith, who is a law professor and former FEC chairman.
None of the above.

However it Felon is GUILTY AF x34 … 91 more incoming .
 
Link? I can prove what I said.

Still obsessed with the SON OF A POTUS who never held a position to make policy decisions.

There is ZERO evidence of Hunter sending millions to Joe .link it to Comer and Gym Jordan’s they can find a credible witness. The 4 year political prosecution of Hunter is dead. … impeachment is now dead.
Get a life.

I see your ghoulish ass jumped right over torture of a human in the womb.

Typical democrat trash
 
Reduction of rights? Name one?

Here’s a big glaring one for you.. a woman’s right to emergency health or even to fertility/conception or contraception itself.

The Cult will try to smokescreen this and package it with abortion rights. It is not. It is true “right to life discussion. I am anti-abortion. But common sense has be considered .

Felon Trumpsky even supports “ pregnancy reporting “ . Does this sound like preserving or losing rights to you?

I hope that none of you people have daughters or wives of reproductive age. If you do -you could lose them. I have seen it in play .

The Baptists just made IVF illegal . Catholics have alway been there. It’s part of the religious rights PACs conquest of women’s rights in most all MAGA states,

IVF has been banned by hyper religious AL and other state Supreme Courts… other states and federal legislation is in play to codify it after the general election . They know they lose huge if they admit future plans for reproductive control.

My daughter and late wife experienced multiple miscarriages but we now have children and grandchildren with help of IVF.

The hypocrisy ls stunning. There are even men and women in state or federal legislatures who have had IVF children but are forced to vote against it to hold the Trump Party line.

Pregnant women experiencing spontaneous natural miscarriages can hemorrhage to death before a D&C can be performed. Also incomplete miscarriages can cause infertility. Ectopic pregnancy can result in maternal death.

Do you believe that these women should be treated in every state? Because right now - most ERs staff will reject women in miscarriage because they could be charged with murder.

Now I know you people are absolutely a Cult. Here’s the test . I’m thinking 90% of you fûckers support government control of reproduction.

Is this a government restriction of rights under the Religious Right Cult ?
Do your ever feel guilty for spreading the lie and BS about DJT? Ever get tired of coming here acting like CNN?

Trump NEVER said he supports ‘pregnancy registration’… that myth was part of a question from TIME magazine where he said this and/or abortion is a State’s right. Same with IVF… and my daughter is a PA and says there is no way an ectopic pregnancy/miscarriage procedure can be charged as murder in Utah.

Damn dude.


More of your lies... from your fav news NYT: Abortion has become a political nightmare for Republicans, who have suffered a string of defeats on the issue in the two years since the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Former President Donald J. Trump had distanced himself from the anti-abortion movement, and said in the wake of the Alabama court ruling that he would “strongly support the availability of I.V.F. for couples who are trying to have a precious baby.”
BUT WAIT... you just said the pro-IVFers had to 'hold the Trump party line' even if they disagreed with him. Baptists made IVF 'illegal'? Really? I didn't know they had any law enforcement power to do so? Or to ban it or anything else for that matter.

Furthermore Einstein, Federal law requires emergency rooms to treat or stabilize patients who are in active labor and provide a medical transfer to another hospital if they don’t have the staff or resources to treat them. Medical facilities must comply with the law if they accept Medicare funding. So it's already against the law NOT to offer these services, and if some facility is doing so they are jeopardizing their status to stay open.

Now that I've destroyed every talking point you cut & pasted from objective news providers like Mother Jones, The View, or Al-Jezeera, thanks for pulling my IQ down a few points... glad I have so much to spare.
 
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Do your ever feel guilty for spreading the lie and BS about DJT? Ever get tired of coming here acting like CNN?

Trump NEVER said he supports ‘pregnancy registration’… that myth was part of a question from TIME magazine where he said this and/or abortion is a State’s right. Same with IVF… and my daughter is a PA and says there is no way an ectopic pregnancy/miscarriage procedure can be charged as murder.

Damn dude.

Guilt? libbies are shameless
 
I see your ghoulish ass jumped right over torture of a human in the womb.

Typical democrat trash
You are referring to the murder convictions still? I said I hope he gets capital punishment. So you’re unhappy that it was prosecuted? Kinda blows your theory that you need to sustain.
Actually you people are the ghouls accepting government control of women’s health risk and fertility like the sheep you are. Better that women absolutely will die in some states because MDs an or hospitals won’t risk prosecution . But you are in favor such legislation.
 
Do your ever feel guilty for spreading the lie and BS about DJT? Ever get tired of coming here acting like CNN?

Trump NEVER said he supports ‘pregnancy registration’… that myth was part of a question from TIME magazine where he said this and/or abortion is a State’s right. Same with IVF… and my daughter is a PA and says there is no way an ectopic pregnancy/miscarriage procedure can be charged as murder in Utah.

Damn dude.


More of your lies... from your fav news NYT: Abortion has become a political nightmare for Republicans, who have suffered a string of defeats on the issue in the two years since the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Former President Donald J. Trump had distanced himself from the anti-abortion movement, and said in the wake of the Alabama court ruling that he would “strongly support the availability of I.V.F. for couples who are trying to have a precious baby.”
BUT WAIT... you just said the pro-IVFers had to 'hold the Trump party line' even if they disagreed with him. Baptists made IVF 'illegal'? Really? I didn't know they had any law enforcement power to do so? Or to ban it or anything else for that matter.

Furthermore Einstein, Federal law requires emergency rooms to treat or stabilize patients who are in active labor and provide a medical transfer to another hospital if they don’t have the staff or resources to treat them. Medical facilities must comply with the law if they accept Medicare funding. So it's already against the law NOT to offer these services, and if some facility is doing so they are jeopardizing their status to stay open.

Now that I've destroyed every talking point you cut & pasted from objective news providers like Mother Jones, The View, or Al-Jezeera, thanks for pulling my IQ down a few points... glad I have so much to spare.
Holy shit. @David_Dennison who got raped harder, Stormi Daniels by your daddy or you by Derek right now?
 
You are referring to the murder convictions still? I said I hope he gets capital punishment. So you’re unhappy that it was prosecuted? Kinda blows your theory that you need to sustain.
Actually you people are the ghouls accepting government control of women’s health risk and fertility like the sheep you are. Better that women absolutely will die in some states because MDs an or hospitals won’t risk prosecution . But you are in favor such legislation.

Is it physically possible for you to post without massive projections every time? Seems like you aren’t intellectually capable of such.

I have no doubt some Republicans will take it too far or already have in some cases. I also know how much the news sensationalizes things, and idiots like you choke on the balls of the media while begging for more.

And yes, the few outlier cases like you point to are far less evil than millions and millions of dead babies every year. But keep acting like a good little liberal and dismiss the actual problem because of the <1% of cases.
 
I hope that none of you people have daughters or wives of reproductive age. If you do -you could lose them. I have seen it in play .

I have two.

I could lose them to who?

You've seen what in play? Like the TV commercial where the evil cop stops the innocent pregnant girl who was somehow "clearly" traveling to violate a state law? Is that was you've seen BG?

Please tell me that you aren't that stupid....and that far gone.

I'm a Sheriff in a religious mid-sized
Alabama county (mostly Southern Baptists). Surely I'd be seeing some of the law enforcement tactics that you're referring to, right? Have you actually been fooled by this BS or are you simply opting for the feeble gaslighting attempt.

Both of my daughters are on birth control due to Endometriosis and have been for some time now. So far I haven't come across a warrant for their arrests...or one for myself since I help provide them with it.
 
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You are referring to the murder convictions still? I said I hope he gets capital punishment. So you’re unhappy that it was prosecuted? Kinda blows your theory that you need to sustain.
Actually you people are the ghouls accepting government control of women’s health risk and fertility like the sheep you are. Better that women absolutely will die in some states because MDs an or hospitals won’t risk prosecution . But you are in favor such legislation.

Do you need to see pictures the results of women’s health with crushed skulls or cut in half while alive ….7 months in the womb?

Satanic
 
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Reduction of rights? Name one?

Here’s a big glaring one for you.. a woman’s right to emergency health or even to fertility/conception or contraception itself.

The Cult will try to smokescreen this and package it with abortion rights. It is not. It is true “right to life discussion. I am anti-abortion. But common sense has be considered .

Felon Trumpsky even supports “ pregnancy reporting “ . Does this sound like preserving or losing rights to you?

I hope that none of you people have daughters or wives of reproductive age. If you do -you could lose them. I have seen it in play .

The Baptists just made IVF illegal . Catholics have alway been there. It’s part of the religious rights PACs conquest of women’s rights in most all MAGA states,

IVF has been banned by hyper religious AL and other state Supreme Courts… other states and federal legislation is in play to codify it after the general election . They know they lose huge if they admit future plans for reproductive control.

My daughter and late wife experienced multiple miscarriages but we now have children and grandchildren with help of IVF.

The hypocrisy ls stunning. There are even men and women in state or federal legislatures who have had IVF children but are forced to vote against it to hold the Trump Party line.

Pregnant women experiencing spontaneous natural miscarriages can hemorrhage to death before a D&C can be performed. Also incomplete miscarriages can cause infertility. Ectopic pregnancy can result in maternal death.

Do you believe that these women should be treated in every state? Because right now - most ERs staff will reject women in miscarriage because they could be charged with murder.

Now I know you people are absolutely a Cult. Here’s the test . I’m thinking 90% of you fûckers support government control of reproduction.

Is this a government restriction of rights under the Religious Right Cult ?
LOL at all this “whore’s rights” bullschit!
How about being accountable for your own actions?
 
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