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For those that bitch/moan about the IAHSAA (aka the guys in Boone) always screwing up the seeding for the football playoffs.....

Can we agree the Class 1A championship game had the top two teams going against each other?
 
Bob got it wrong. Regina should have been playing with Xavier, Heelan, Dowling, Keumper, and all the other private schools.
 
Originally posted by mtdew_fever:
For those that bitch/moan about the IAHSAA (aka the guys in Boone) always screwing up the seeding for the football playoffs.....

Can we agree the Class 1A championship game had the top two teams going against each other?
Definitely. I was very impressed with West Lyon. They showed a lot of fight and determination. Very physical football team. And Regina was standard. Probably didn't play their best game, but still enough for a 3 possession victory.
 
If the public schools wanted to push the issue Boone would have few choices other than to segregate at a minimum the playoffs between private and public. There would be nothing the private schools could do about that except deal with it.

Complete segregation would be unlikely to happen. Nothing to do with the number of private schools in Iowa but the near certainty of litigation brought on by the privates. (That has happened elsewhere). Splitting the regular season into separate Public and Private play would close many of the private schools. Athletics are everything in both public and private schools today and if the privates were to suddenly only play other private schools......you would see kids leave and exercise open enrollment to attend the public school of their choice. (Wade, I'll bet Manson would even be able to take their billboards in FD down because IMO that is where the majority of the SE kids would land). Privates would see enrollment $$$$ decline as their athletes left and would be force to either make cutbacks and/or raise tuition. Most wouldn't survive.

Sorry to hijack your thread Dew. I do believe the 2 best teams played BUT also believe they should not have been playing. WL should have been playing South Winn. Regina? Who cares how the privates split their playoffs up. 1 class, 2 or 3. Doesn't matter to me.







This post was edited on 11/23 8:20 AM by ghost80
 
Stay classy Ghost, your the perfect advocate for the lack of any integrity about this topic. P.s.,wasn't Friday a beautiful day.
 
Let's go ahead and segregate it. Currently I have seen Iowa City public drop 7th grade football. Perhaps as things like that go on privates will see a boost in their enrollment since kids want to play against the best, with the best coaching, best training etc. say hello to declining enrollment in publics, more program cuts, more bond issues to pass. Sounds like a good plan there ghost. Keep working on it, add some sugar to those sour grapes and maybe it will make a better whine for you.
 
Regina Dad,

Where I see the lack of integrity is in all the Regina fans continually denying they have any kind of advantage and continually deflecting the topic to: superior coaching, a second to none training program, and a huge commitment by both kids and parents.

While Regina does have those things they do very much have more and it isn't whining or sour grapes to expose the truth.

Let's take a look at Regina and their 5 Straight Championships.

Regina is a PRIVATE SCHOOL[/B] located in city of Iowa City. Population: 71,600[/B]

In 2014 they beat West Lyon (PUBLIC SCHOOL) for the title. Population of the 4 towns in the WL school district: 2,300

In 2013 they beat St Ed's (PRIVATE SCHOOL[/B]) located in Fort Dodge for the title. Population: 24,600[/B]

In 2012 they beat St Albert's (PRIVATE SCHOOL) located in Council Bluffs. Population: 62,000[/B]

In 2011 they beat Spirit Lake (PUBLIC SCHOOL) Population: 4,950

In 2010 they beat North Polk (PUBLIC SCHOOL) Population of the 2 towns in the NP school district: 4,500



Private Schools and Public Schools should not be playing together.....it's not a question of apples and oranges, in the lower classes its more like bananas and watermelon.

IMO Regina should be proud of about 2 of their titles in this streak and embarrassed by the other 3.
 
Ghost, I have been very clear that being a private school has advantages. Fortunately we are proud of all 5 titles. You however act like Regina gets to just pick and choose from all of the kids in Iowa City and the surrounding areas. The reality is faith based teaching isn't for everyone, tuition is a barrier, lack of a special ed program is a barrier, limited arts programs are a barrier, wearing a uniform to school is a barrier, throw in the top academics of schools in the city, traditional football powers with better facilities and bigger stages to play on and I am sure there could be more. They do work hard, they do work smart, they are good athletes, they do get great coaching, they do enjoy great support. So get going on making these changes you feel would make it 'fair' and then when someone wins a title go ahead and ask them 'do you feel better winning without beating the best?'
 
Yes, this is what I'm implying because they do get to pick from the cream from all over the area. They also get to steer clear of the "baggage".

There is nothing wrong with that only that they should be competing only with teams sharing those same advantages as they have. If you look at Regina's titles.....2 of the last 3 years they have been competing with their peers in an All Private Championship Game.

Private schools remind me of the kids who want to be home schooled so they can "do their own thing" and not have to deal with the issues one sometimes encounters at a public school but then realize there are things they can't get at home like: sports, fine arts, prom, ect. so they suddenly decide it's ok to latch on to a school and participate in those things. Privates are no different and want their cake and eat it too. I really have nothing against private schools or the kids that go there, just that since they have decided to separate themselves from the public schools they should be playing with their peers...the other private schools. If being limited to playing only other private schools suddenly makes them unattractive to the people sending their kids there that is a problem for the privates schools themselves to figure out. I could care less about how they deal with it.

idhawkeye posted on 11/23/2014...
Ghost, I have been very clear that being a private school has advantages. Fortunately we are proud of all 5 titles. You however act like Regina gets to just pick and choose from all of the kids in Iowa City and the surrounding areas.
 
Since you are so convinced they get to pick from the cream of the crop please compile a list of the players they got after it was discovered they were going to be good football players. Feel free to go back through each of the 5 years. I will patiently wait for this list.
 
Hey Ghost, you sound like a sad little man.Does your dislike extend to only privates.Glancing at the program from the State playoffs most multiple champions came from public schools . What's that from you silence?Not to worry my taxes will continue to fund your government schools, giving you ample time and resources to bemoan your sadness.Have a great week.Almost forgot,thanks for the reminder about being "embarrassed " 5 titles is a real drag.
 
Regina Dad,

Not quite following your logic on the multiple champions. This year there were only 2 teams which were repeat champs (champions last year and this year). Both were private schools.

I haven't been hostile nor said that there is anything wrong with Regina for taking advantage to the fullest of the situation yet you seem very hostile. The only thing that I have said is that the privates schools should be restricted to only play with their peers who share the same advantages as themselves and not the public schools who don't share that advantage.

For some reason Reggie you don't want to compete on a level playing field with your peers. There is a name for that....it's called a bully. If Regina really wasn't guilty of being a bully they would petition Boone to play up all season INCLUDING THE PLAYOFFS and not just scheduling their non conference games against larger schools. The very fact that they schedule so many of their non conference games against larger opponents is a smoking gun that they themselves know they don't belong playing in 1A but they sure aren't afraid to take the easiest route to a state title and play the post season back in 1A. I'll give Heelan and Xavier credit for at least once in the past voluntarily playing up for the playoffs. That was a far classier move than Regina.

Nice try CID but you swung and missed. Please show where I have once accused Regina of pulling in a specific athlete. That's not even close to the same thing as having a vastly larger population than your public 1A counterparts from which to draw students, athletes, and coaches which is the point made by showing the population of all schools involved during your reign as champion.








This post was edited on 11/24 5:57 AM by ghost80
 
'They do get to pick from the cream' pick would imply that they are selecting from only the top athletes in the area, also you state that they can steer clear of kids with baggage. That sounds like you feel they have the ability to pick the kids who get in and don't get in. I am not sure how you pick kids if you aren't targeting specific kids in the process. Or maybe I am just swinging and missing at your line of thinking. If you are trying to say Iowa City has more kids in it than other rural towns then nice work out of you, the same demographic has existed since the beginning of the school. My guess on what the OP meant with multiple champs was historically the Emmetsburgs, Harlans etc. you know the small rural schools with no kids to pick from who worked hard, had great coaching and somehow managed to win multiple championships.
 
I'm not picking sides in this one but there is a major flaw in cidhawk and regaldad's example of Harlan and Eburg. Times change. During the 5 straight titles for ICR neither Harlan nor Eburg has won a single title. Not a very strong case using two public teams whose domination in years past is over. If you want look at what has happened recently, this year Harlan failed to make the playoffs and Eburg was eliminated in the first round. In 2014 those 2 teams combined went 0-1 in the playoffs.

Having seperate schedules for the public and private schools will not happen in Iowa. Having seperate playoffs is going to happen and my understanding is that it will be a compromise that will benefit the IHSAA, the Public Schools, and the Private Schools.
 
Stick, the examples I use demonstrate that times do change, coaching staffs change, talent runs in cycles, concepts evolve. During Harlan and Emmetsburgs run a team like Regina was looking at dropping football. Now with a good run of players, great coaches and commitment things have evolved. Teams will start to look at the way the private schools are doing things and copy it and get better at it. The tide will turn and publics will rise again. It is cyclical and to have separate playoffs may only cause more issues for the public schools.
 
Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
Stick, the examples I use demonstrate that times do change, coaching staffs change, talent runs in cycles, concepts evolve. During Harlan and Emmetsburgs run a team like Regina was looking at dropping football. Now with a good run of players, great coaches and commitment things have evolved. Teams will start to look at the way the private schools are doing things and copy it and get better at it. The tide will turn and publics will rise again. It is cyclical and to have separate playoffs may only cause more issues for the public schools.
Having the U of I and the resources and population that comes to a community with it is a hell of a lot more to work with than what E'burg and Harlan got. People like Marv, Ed and Alex are not sitting around E'burg with extra time on their hands. Most public school coaches are guys from the school who's main job is teaching. For one they kind of have to use teachers as it is a part of their salary and 2 they would be screwed finding guys off the street. There are none. Webster city let Tighe go because he was not going to teach anymore, he ends up at St. Eds. E'burg and Harlan had bigger enrollments before and most importantly two of the best coaches to step foot on a field in this state. E'burg has slid more and more since Twait left and Bladt is getting up there and has had some medical issues that I'm sure have kept him from being what he once was. Getting a legendary coach at a smaller school and keeping him there for a long time is not easy. Resources and coaching are the main advantages with a being able to get better overall % of high end talent per student being the other. It is both! You could send the Dowling staff to Lincoln or East and those teams would get better but they would not get as good as Dowling. Maybe the Regina staff can go see if they can win 5 in a row at West Liberty. I don't think the odds are as good there.
 
The Iowa City area is loaded with talent and great coaches. It's a great place to be and why it continues to grow while other areas continue to shrink.
Iowa City is a football town, a soccer town and a basketball town. As evidenced by the recent multiple Championships by Regina and West high in football, soccer and basketball.
 
You know what? I am happy today!

So many people on here sound angry and upset, i.e. Ghost.

I can assure you there will never be a separate playoff for state championships in Iowa. The public schools have too much to lose. Yes, I said it: public schools have too much to lose.

If private schools held their own championships, it would equal -$$$$$$$$$, and lots of it. It would be like the big five football conferences in college football who are starting to make up their own rules. Private schools could make up their own rules, and take the best players from the area. And talk about college and professional recruiters, they would be lined up to see these kids play at the highest level. Then you might see the state of Iowa become a football state where college programs would want handfuls of our student instead just a handful.

The place where you can find the best public and private schools in the state are ones where both schools push the other for excellence. If a public school or vice versa has a quality program in the arts or something like that, you can be assured the other one is going to try and make their program better. The same with academics and sports.

I said all along that after WLI beat SE, WLI would give Regina a run for their money. They were big and physical.
Oh, and if any of you watched that game of TV one of WLI staff people, I think a principle, not sure on that one, talked about how their new weight room got them to this point so they could be so successful in sports during halftime.

You know what's not fait, how the way the state of Iowa treats the western side of the state. It's like we don't exist. Just think of how much an economic impact Highway 20 would have on western Iowa if it was four lanes all the way across the state. Some of the small towns that are dying and being forced into mergers with other small communities would be able to keep their schools open. Imagine that.

Every thing I hear on here is unfair, unfair, unfair, unfair. That's what I used to say growing up about my older siblings. Grow up. Life is unfair or have you never heard of that before?

Every time people talk about rosters of private schools they say kids transfer in and what not. While, I am not denying that some of this exist, look at all most every private schools rooster and see how many of them have been going to that school for most of their educated years. Some have been their only a few years but most have been there a long time.

In fact one of the problems private schools have, is that kids will attend up to 8th grade and then transfer to the public school for high school. It happens in every private school that I know of.

Private schools saves the tax payers of this state millions and millions of dollars every year. They employ countless people who might not otherwise have a job which then would make the tax base smaller and that would mean more taxes for all of us. We pay our taxes for public education even though our kids don't benefit from it. What would happen if we just stopped paying our taxes for public schools? Isn't that double taxation?

Where is the love? Can't we all just get along together? Help me Ghost sing, kumbaya, kumbaya, kumbaya. Rember the campfire days gone by? It almost wants to make get up and hug someone.

Have a safe and wonderful Thanksgiving everyone!

FYI. The picture of a warm, cozy community without conflict associated itself with the song and especially that foreign-sounding word in its title, kumbaya.
 
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