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Pretty sick that an 8:10 4x8 out of the Hempstead district isnt going to make it, but an 8:49 is. Definite flaws in the system.
 
Saul the same thing happen with the Washington girls ran 10.10 at Mt.P. and was the 14th fastest in the class and didn't get in.
10.30s and 10.40s got in.
 
I have one for you....and this one is just wonderful. Lewis Central's girls got in with a 1:24.4 shuttle and Iowa City West gets to stay home with a 1:08.8. That is an absolute embarrassment with this system. Lewis Central will be put in the same heat as the 4A leader and will finish 20 seconds back....in other words...a full leg or better. Indianola runs a 10:02 4x800 and a 10:37 gets in. Very nice. Someone please tell me how this is anything less than certifiably crazy after we already had a system in place that preVENTED this nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
On paper, the qualifying system seems good per below. What are we missing that would allow crap times in? It appears the only time a horrible time would qualify is if they won their District/Region....then if you run a kick butt time and aren't the winner, but are still in the top 12 best times you qualify....but that doesn't look like they are counting it like that.


STATE MEET QUALIFICATION
A preliminary qualifier list will be created for each event using district place winners. In Class 4A this will include the top four
place winners; in Class 3A and Class 2A the top three place winners; Class 1A the top 2 place winners. After the preliminary
list is created, the 12th place performance on the list will become the qualifying standard for the event. All place winning
performances, which are equal to or better than the established standard, will move onto the final qualifier list. District
champions are automatic qualifiers and cannot be bumped from the list. If there are ties, the highest district place winner will
be the qualifier. If the tie still remains, the school name, as printed in the IHSAA Directory, will be used as the tie breaker. The
first school name alphabetically will become a qualifier. There will be no more than 24 qualifiers in any event.
 
Apparently 13:01 will get you into the 2A 3000. That wouldn't have made top 10 at our 2A district. (Yes, she ran 12:01 the week before, but STILL...13:01!)
 
Some of this is Individuals or relays getting way a head and then shuting down and saving there legs for the rest of the night.
Not in the shuttle thats just wrong but in 3000 and 4x8s.
 
The system "worked" exactly like it was set up. The bottom line is really simple - If you make top 3 it is really hard to get knocked off. If you aren't top 3 it is really hard to get on.

The issue is the "top 12" cutoff. It is damn hard to be a 4th place finisher or lower and still run a time that is in the top 12. The mistake a lot of people are making is to assume that it is a matter of being faster than the worst teams to qualify - it is not. You could have 50 entries that are faster than the last 4 qualifiers, but if none of them is better than the 12th best, they are not bumping on the list.

The system is still better for the boys than the old one - no doubt. Worse for the girls (if the goal is getting the best 24 to state). If the goal is to make sure the top 8-12 get there, and then "whoever else" makes it, this is fine also.

If they want to make it so as many of the top 24 are there as possible, I would suggest they either use the previous girls system. Or, if the boys union is to oppositional to doing something that the girls were doing right for decades, they could change the cutoff to "top 16" or "top 18" or something like that. That would make a BIG difference in the number of teams able to bump on, and the end result is almost all of those really bad performances in the last couple slots would get bumped off.
 
I saw that too Sportsphan; it's really sad. The Indianola girls were up in the top 12 or so all year in the 4x8 and run one light and can't get in so a 10:37 makes it. I would be embarrassed for the LC shuttle team who will look silly on the track. FYI...Davey was injured again running the 400 and had to pull out. He tried the 800 and couldn't do it, either. It's a shame as he is such a good runner. I don't know if he could get healthy enough to run in a relay next weekend.
 
Just looking at the 1A stuff, there was some serious bumping going on in the distance races.

And for the first time I can remember in awhile, no freshman in the 3200 or 1600.
 
Originally posted by bigfridaynite:
Some of this is Individuals or relays getting way a head and then shuting down and saving there legs for the rest of the night.
Not in the shuttle thats just wrong but in 3000 and 4x8s.

Exactly.

There will always be a few "injustices", but overall it's a solid system. In 25 years of being around HS track I've seen some crazy things - one district running in 70 degree weather, while another running in 48 degrees and wind/rain - to realize it's not always going to apples to apples. Is it fair to compare times/distances for kids competing in great weather vs crappy?

I think the first year the boys went to the district format we had a kid run 2:00 or 2:01 in the 800 and not make it. The same year a shotputter threw 44 something and DID make it. Sucked, but overall it works, imo.
 
The existing system is broken. What was wrong with the old best times/distances/heights across the season system? I thought that was a lot more equitable.
 
Originally posted by Iron Doc:
The existing system is broken. What was wrong with the old best times/distances/heights across the season system? I thought that was a lot more equitable.

I explained that in the post right above yours, I thought.
 
What a lot of people did not like about time qualifying was all the open lanes that would be at the state meet. There are obviously ways around that. The great thing about this system, just like the previous one, is it generates discussion!
 
It doesn't matter what system we choose, there is no perfect solution. As evidence with districts this year, most of the state had good weather and conditions, however, in NW Iowa at Cherokee, MOC, and Manson, weather was less than desirable. Sprints had to run against a strong wind of 25 mph wind. In Manson, kids got a night to rest and come back and compete fresh. All in all, I don't mind this year's system for the boys, in ways it is better than last year. But I do like taking the top 2(1A) top 3 (2A-3A) top 4(4A). Don't worry about other districts just go out and do well in your own district. I mean, it's no different than the top 2 teams in the state in basketball have to face each other in a district final, even though they both deserve easier routes for their records and accomplishments, you sometimes just have to go get it done.
 
I think someone mentioned this before, but unless you have everyone running in the same location or same general location, you can't just go by the top 24 district times/throws/jumps mainly because of conditions. There is no perfect system for this so we are just going to have to accept it as it is. There's no doubt that the top 6 kids from each event made it.
 
In northern Iowa the night of districts it was 50 degrees and 25 mph winds and kids were running sprints into the wind. It's hard for that to be fair when other districts are running in nice conditions and running with a breeze.
 
I know the previous boys qualifying method left out some good competitors, but I still prefer knowing who qualified at the end of a race instead of waiting a full day.
 
waiting a day to see who qualifies is a small price to pay for a deserving runner. In the end this is about the athlete's, not the coaches, parents, etc.

I would like to see the #12 performance as the cut moved to somewhere around #16-18. There are to many marginal times that get in at #22-24. Yes, I get the weather argument. But, when runners are consistently in the middle of the pack meet after meet all year long and they run in a week district and get in and another athlete gets stuck in a tougher district - well, not fair.
 
Originally posted by bdrube:
What a lot of people did not like about time qualifying was all the open lanes that would be at the state meet. There are obviously ways around that. The great thing about this system, just like the previous one, is it generates discussion!

Great point. I remember one kid I worked with who ended up qualifying in the 200, 400, highs, lows, long jump, and 4 relays over the course of the season. Open lanes in the 200 and 400 at state, iirc.
 
I was able to get all results in class 4A Girls and figured out the Top 2 at each District and the next top 12 fastest to make up the Top 24.

Here are the Cut-Offs:
**Times on Left is Last Qualifying time for New Standard & Time of Right in Bold is last year Standard**
100:13.50/13.19
200:27.92/26.90
400:1:03.82/1:02.90
800:2:30.07/2:26.81
1500:5:18.79/5:06.78
3000:11:41.51/11:37.31
100H:16.38/16.30
400H:1:11.14/1:10.05
Shuttle Hurdle1:24.60/1:13.19
4x10052.06/51:81
4x2001:50.37/1:49.90
4x400: 4:13.30/4:13.30
4x800: 10:42.42/10:10.11
Sprint Medley: 1:58.61/1:53.84
DMed: 4:30.77/4:24.91
High Jump: 4-08.00/4-10.00
Long Jump: 15-05.25/15-09.00
Discus: 103-04/107-04
Shot Put: 34-09/35-09.00
**The High Jump doesn’t show how many misses the athlete had, I went off overall height cleared**

Here are the Top 24 List. The Top 12 are not in fastest time, but are the Top 2 Finishers

100
1.McKennan Cronbauh, ICW 12.51
2.Katie Schoultz, Muscantine 12.53
3.Erin Hawkins, Roosevelt, 12.40
4.Hannah Stouffer, Urbandale, 12.77
5.Tori Giudici, Waukee, 12.76
6.Abby Davis, Dowling 12.97
7.Agnes Sayeh, Dsm Nort, 12.20
8.Mackenzie Beals, Marshalltown, 12.72
9.Tamika Tucker, Dvpt North, 12.83
10.Desiree, Davis Dvpt Central, 12.96
11.Sara Davis, Epworth, 13.02
12.Zinka Duric, Waterloo West, 13.06
------------------------12 Next Fastest Qualifiers---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Lola Gweath, Dsm North, 12.77
14.Shahana Williams, ICW, 12.78
15.Jalynn Roberts-Lewis, 12.78
16.Rachel Broghammer, CR Jefferson, 12.90
17.Jasmyne Jones, CR Washington, 12.99
18.Tyler Sampson, CR Xavier, 13.01
19.Britney Cavillo, SC East 13.02
20.Jaquoia Lindsey, Dvpt Central, 13.07
21.Maliya Rattliffe, Cr Jefferson, 13.08
22.Reanna Lewis, Dsm Hoover, 13.12
23.Emma Kasap, Dowling 13.17
24.Rachel Hagg, Ankeny, 13.19

200
1.McKennan Cronbaugh, ICW 25.56
2. Shahana Williams, ICW 25.57
3.Erin Hawkins, Roosevelt, 24.91
4.Alexis Sauls, Roosevelt, 26.04
5.Jessica Campbell, Dowling, 26.06
6.Tori Giudici, Waukee, 26.17
7.Agnes Sayeh, Dsm North, 25.22
8.Katie Garrison, Se Polkm 25.50
9.Allanah McCorkle, Dvpt Central, 25.49
10.Tamika Tucker, Dvpt North, 26.06
11.Courtney Major, Linn-Mar, 25.93
12.Cassie Crotty, Cedar Falls, 26.05
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13.Mackenzie Beals, Marshalltown, 25.82
14.Katie Shoultz, Muscantine, 25.94
15.Aarionna Craig-Dothard, CR Kennedy, 25.95
16.Taylor Vogel, CR Washington, 26.14
17.Bailey Banach, Ames, 26.34
18.Tyler Sampson, Cr Xavier, 26.52
19.Hannah Stouffer, Urbandale, 26.59
20.Dainaner Whitaker, Cedar Falls, 26.61
21.Alyssa Miner, Dub Hempstead, 26.66
22.Jasmyne Jones, CR Washington, 26.81
23.Reyna Mikulicz, Sc East, 26.90
24.Eisha Oden, Marshalltown, 26.90

400
1.Clair Crew, ICH 59.00
2.Samantha Kistler, Muscantine 1.00.86
3.Sarah Ryan, Ottumwa, 59.5
4.Lydia Saggau, Valley, 59.70
5.Shelby Houlihan, SC East, 58.80
6.Natalie Olberding, Lewis Central, 1:00.86
7.Agnes Sayeh, Dsm North, 57.93
8.Madi Robson, Ankeny, 59.53
9.Alisha Jones, Dvpt North, 56.55
10.Mahnee Watts, Bettendorf, 56.92
11.Ashley Stow, Cedar Falls, 58.91
12.Kaily Mohr, D. Senior, 59.19
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13.Allie McBroom, Se Polk, 59.74
14.Zinka Duric, Waterloo West, 1:00.16
15.Jenny Roberys, 1:00.48
16.Taylor Officer, Waukee, 1:01.38
17.Fatima Omar, ICH, 1:01.75
18.Annie SChaeckenbach, ICW, 1:101.18
19.Amanda Milne, Dvpt West, 1:01.06
20.Alex Mrmitage, Valley, 1:01.97
21.Melissa Pakala, Waterloo West, 1:02.24
22.Leah Kremer, Linn Mar, 1:02.59
23.Eden Marek, 1:02.63
24.Nicki Bruett, Urbandale, 1:02.90

800
1.Molly Leveille, ICW 2:20.92
2.Ellen Carman, ICH 2:22.34
3.Katie Bishop, Indianola, 2:21.04
4.Amber Clock, Johnston, 2:21.39
5.Shelby Houlihan, SC East, 2:14.81
6.Karissa Schweizer, Dowling 2:17.87
7.Lydia Martin, Marshalltown, 2:25.68
8.Alyssa Schinkel, Ankeny, 2:27.28
9.Mahnee Watts, Bettendorf, 2:22.27
10.Brooke Bierhaus, PV, 2:23.78
11.Brianna King, Cedar Falls, 2:17.85
12.Brette Correy, Epworth, 2:18.99
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13.Hannah Savage, Cedar Falls, 2:21.17
14.Kaitlyn Nelson, 2:22.38
15.Maddie Kleve, Johnston, 2:22.90
16.Molly Bramble, Waukee, 2:23.34
17.Olive Carrollhach, ICW, 2:23.66
18.Kate Maxy, Valley, 2:24.47
19.Kathia Wampole, Cr Kennedy, 2:24.54
20.Soumba Traore, ICH, 2:25.78
21.Sarah Mueller, Urbandale, 2:25.87
22.Allie Vaughan, Dowling, 2:26.15
23.Alyssa Breitbach, Epworth, 2:26.46
24.Lisa Trizzino, Bettendor, 2:26.81
1500
1.Rebecca Rethwisch, ICH 4:52.10
2.Meg Richardson, ICH 4:52.11
3.Katie Maxy, Valley, 4:54.87
4.Emma Huston, Roosevelt, 4:55.24
5.Shelby Houlihan, SC East, 4:41.68
7.Lydia Martin, Marshalltown, 5:01.68
8.Courtney Martin, Ames, 5:06.89
9.Megan Nickles, Bettendorf, 4:46.32
10.Anna Peer, Bettendorf, 4:49.66
11.Hannah Savage, Cedar Falls, 4:49.34
12.Allison Gregg, Cedar Falls, 4:51.64
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Fastest--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Carolyn Newhouse, Linn Mar, 4:54.05
14.Mickey Malmgren, PV, 4:54.77
15.Bailey Eppard, 4:55.38
16.Maddie Reynolds, PV, 4:57.62
17.Emily Brush, Waukee, 4:59.00
18.Jennifer Luksan, Dowling, 4:59.36
19.Maddie Kleve, Johnston, 5:01.94
20.Kate Kaster, Clinton, 5:03.53
21.Allison Culver, CR Kennedy, 5:05.09
22.Serena Goetzl, Urbandale, 5:05.26
23.Morgan Uridil, Linn Marr, 5:05.69
24.Pombie Silverman, ICW, 5:06.78

3000
1.Meg Richardson, ICH 11:04.17
2.Rebecca Rethwisch, ICH 11:4.18
3.Bailey Eppard, Johnston, 10:58.81
4.McKenzie Carney, Roosevelt, 11:26.05
5.Karissa Schweizer, Dowling, 10:25.99
6.Emily Brush, Waukee, 10:59.36
7.Courtney Martin, Ames, 11:01.86
8.Ebeissa Nyandwi, Dsm North, 11:21.75
9.Anna Peer, Bettendorf, 10:24.83
10.Maddie Reynolds, PV, 10:35.91
11.Allison Gregg, Cedar Falls, 10:37.82
12.Carolyn Newhouse, Linn-Mar, 10:48.05
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Fastest--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Kate Kaster, Clinton, 10:45.66
14.Mackenzie Eland, Burlingtong, 10:55.33
15.Kristin Rogers, Cr Washington, 11:11.52
16.Nicole Svendsen, Dowling, 11:11.70
17.Allison Culver, Cr Kennedy, 11:22.17
18.Jenny Brown, Waukee, 11:22.43
19.Serena Goetzl, Urbandale, 11:30.16
20.Krista Thompson, 11:31.27
21.Brett Guerra, ICW, 11:32.46
22.Katie Stych, Ankeny 11:33.20
23.Evie Kammeyer, Urbandale, 11:34.39
24.Haley Zapolski, Bettendorf, 11:37.31

100 Hurdles
1.Brooke Foreman, CR Washinton, 12:51
2.Layloni Beard, CR Washinton, 12:44
3.Destani Welch, Roosevelt, 15.45
4.Mary Young, Urbandlae, 15.61
5.Jordan Mundt, CB T.Jefferson, 15.51
6.Natalie Olberding, Lewis Central, 15.71
7.Maddie Andersen, Ames, 14.73
8.Jessica Gardner, Se Polk, 14.97
9.Khanishah Williams, Burlingtong, 14.79
10.Laura Rodriguez, PV, 15.26
11.Molly Youde, Cedar Falls, 15.16
12.Sam Osterberger, D.Senior, 15.82
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Fastest--------------------------------------------------------------------

13.Kellie Wong, Ankeny, 15.32
14.Emma Drees, Waukee, 15.91
15.Maddie Rouw, Waukee, 15.94
16.Ashland Alitz, 15.98
17.Aubree Larson, Ankeny, 15.98
18.McKenna Zimmerman, Urbandale, 16.00
19.Caitlin Ward, ICH, 16.07
20.Kaitlyn Gillett, Cedar Falls, 16.09
21.Mallory Young, Linn Mar, 16.17
22.Tanner Werthmann, Dvpt West, 16.22
23.Chloe Matthews, 16.30
24.Stacey Howes, CR Prairie, 16.30

400 Hurdles
1.Brooke Foorman, CR Washinton, 1:04.52
2.Emily Sotelo, ICH, 1:07.43
3.Natalie Olberding, Lewis Central, 1:03.96
4.Leah Jessen, Waukee, 1:07.02
5.Madi Robson, Ankeny, 1:05.25
6.Jenny Roberts, Ankeny, 1:06.20
7.Anne Leners, PV, 1:05.66
8.Kiera Watts, Bettendorf, 1:06.35
9.Alyssa Bohlender, Indianola, 1:08.01
10.Courtney Young, Valley, 1:08.09
11.Zinka Duric, Waterloo West, 1:06.20
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Fastest--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Sara Davis, Epworth, 1:07.64
14.Madison Bravard, Dowling, 1:07.48
15.Emily Ne, Cedar Falls, 1:07.94
16.Lori Lines, ICH, 1:07.98
17.Stacey Howes, Cr Prairie, 1:08.47
18.Nicole Cook, Fort Dodge, 1:08.57
19.Devon Henderson, Dsm Hoover, 1:08.64
20.Abby Saladin, North Scott, 1:08.66
21.Kaari Devens, Johnston, 1:09.25
22.Katie Oleson, Burlingtong, 1:09.34
23.Chloe Matthews, Valley, 1:09.36
24.Lauren Bobst, ICW, 1:10.05

4x100 Shuttle Hurdle Relay
1.CR Washintong, 1:04.74
2.ICH, 1:06.94
3.Urbandale, 1:05.25
4.Roosevelt, 1:06.15
5.Waukee, 1:05.26
6.CB T.Jefferson, 1:09.34
7.Ames, 1:04.67
8.Se Polk, 1:05.99
9.D.Senior, 1:07.90
10.Linn-Mar, 1:08.75
11.PV, 1:04.88
12.Burlington, 1:04.89
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Fastest--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Ankeny, 1:06.10
14.Cr Prairie, 1:07.03
15.Cr Jefferson, 1:07.48
16.Valley, 1:07.79
17.ICW, 1:08.81
18.Dowling, 1:09.84
19.Cr Kennedy, 1:10.35
20.Johnston, 1:10.86
21.Dub Hempstead, 1:11.14
22.Ottumwa, 1:11.61
23.Cr Xavier, 1:11.75
24.Mason City, 1:13.19

4x100 Relay
1.ICW, 49.02
2.CR Washington, 49.42
3.Roosevelt, 48.72
4.Valley, 49.74
5.Dowling, 50.00
6.Waukee, 50.82
7.Ames, 50.23
8.Marshalltown, 51.41
9.Dvpt Central, 50.09
10.Bettendorf, 51.18
11.Cedar Falls, 50.72
12.Waterloo West, 50.93
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Fastest--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Cr Xavier, 49.47
14.ICH, 49.87
15.Cr Kennedy, 50.89
16.Johnston, 50.97
17.Urbandale, 51.28
18.Dvpt West, 51.29
19.PV, 51.37
20.Se Polk, 51.61
21.Fort Dodge, 51.66
22.Dvpt North, 51.72
23lAnkeny, 51.76
24.Sc East, 51.81

4x200 Relay
1.CR Jefferson, 1:43.24
2.ICH, 1:44.02
3.Roosevelt, 1:43.83
4.Valley, 1:45.04
5.Dowling, 1:46.26
6.Waukee, 1:49.15
7.Se Polk, 1:46.85
8.Marshalltown, 1:48.00
9.Dvpt Central, 1:44.62
10.Dvpt West, 1:47.46
11.Cedar Falls, 1:44.45
12.D.Senior, 1:45.53
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Fastest--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.ICW, 1:45.23
14.Cr Xavier, 1:45.35
15.Cr Washington, 1:46.14
16.Johnston, 1:48.04
17.PV, 1:48.99
18.Cr Kennedy, 1:49.21
19.Dsm Hoover, 1:49.31
20.Ames, 1:49.57
21.Dub Hempstead, 1:49.70
22.Urbandale, 1:49.71
23.Waterloo West, 1:49.73
24.Fort Dodge, 1:49.90

4x400 Relay
1.CR Kennedy 4:03.77
2.ICH, 4:04.03
3.Urbandale, 4:02.43
4.Valley, 4:03.96
5.Dowling, 4:04.37
6.SC East, 4:07.82
7.Se Polk, 4:02.43
8.Ankeny, 4:05.18
9.Dvpt Central, 4:04.94
10.PV, 4:07.57
11.Cedar Falls, 4:01.12
12.D.Senior, 4:01.19
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Fastest--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.ICW, 4:05.49
14.Linn Mar, 4:05.50
15.Indianola, 4:08.80
16.Mason City, 4:09.23
17.Dvpt West, 4:10.36
18.Marshalltown, 4:11.51
19.Cr Xavier, 4:11.62
20.Ottumwa, 4:12.11
21.Waukee, 4:12.22
22.North Scott, 4:13.09
23..Lewis Central, 4:13.30
24.Newton, 4:13.30

4x800 Relay
1.ICW, 9:33.20
2.ICH, 9:46.25
3.Valley, 9:39.75
4.Johnston, 9:39.89
5.Dowling, 9:47.32
6.Waukee, 10:04.42
7.Ankeny, 9:53.04
8.Newton, 9:59.65
9.Dvpt North, 1:47.67
10.Dvpt Central, 1:50.18
11.Cedar Falls, 9:36.00
12.D.Senior, 9:47.46
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Fastest--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Urbandale, 9:40.71
14.Epworth, 9:48.16
15.Cr Washington, 9:50.16
16.Muscatine, 9:53.58
17.Linn Mar, 9:55.41
18.Cr Xavier, 9:57.67
19.Ottumwa, 9:58.73
20.Indianola, 10:02.13
21.Clinton, 10:02.39
22.Cr Kennedy, 10:03.21
23.Marshalltown, 10:08.37
24.Ames, 10:10.11


800 Sprint Medley Relay
1.CR Jefferson 1:50.32
2.ICH, 1:50.96
3.Roosevelt, 1:47.71
4.Valley, 1:49.37
5.Waukee, 1:51.90
6.Dowling, 1:53.60
7.Dsm North, 1:50.42
8.Se Polk, 1:50.79
9.Dvpt North, 1:47.67
10.Dvpt Central, 1:50.18
11.Cedar Falls, 1:51.73
12.D.Senior, 1:52.93
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Fastest--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Urbandale, 1:50.26
14.Indianola, 1:51.31
15.Cr Washington, 1:51.44
16.ICW, 1:51.54
17.Bettendorf, 1:52.16
18.PV, 1:52.26
19.Muscantine, 1:53.23
20.Cr Kennedy, 1:53.27
21.Ames, 1:53.32
22.Cr Xavier, 1:53.57
23.Burlingtong, 1:53.66
24.Johnston, 1:53.84

Distance Medley
1.ICH, 4:13.53
2.ICW, 4:13.78
3.Valley, 4:11.71
4.Indianola, 4:11.76
5.Dowling, 4:16.27
6.SC East, 4:21.05
7.Ankeny, 4:21.50
8.Ames 4:22.13
9.Bettendorf, 4:13.96
10.PV, 4:19.21
11.Cedar Falls, 4:13.16
12.Epworth, 4:15.59
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Fastest--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Cr Kennedy, 4:16.30
14.Linn Mar, 4:17.28
15.Roosevelt, 4:18.32
16.Mason City, 4:20.20
17.Burlingtong, 4:20.80
18.North Scott, 4:22.53
19.Waukee, 4:22.62
20.Cr Washington, 4:22.94
21.Urbandale, 4:22.94
22.Dub Hempstead, 4:23.03
23.Johnston, 4:24.02
24.Clinton, 4:24.91

High Jump
1.Virginia Johnson, ICH 5-06.00
2.Kristen Huebsch, CR Kennedy 5-3.00
3.Maddie Roux, Waukee, 5-01.00
4.Ann Marie Faber, Dowling, 5-00.00
5.Tiyesha Wilson, FD, 5-01.00
6.Kelsey Arneson, Ankeny, 5-00.00
7.Khanishah Williams, Burlington, 5-10.00
8.Nelly Hering, PV, 5-05.00
9.Alexi Higgins, Cedar Falls, 5-02.00
10.Autumn Alitz, Mason City, 5-01.00
11.Hannah Fredrickson, Ottumwa, 5-01.00
12.Alex Hawks, Johnston, 5-00.00
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Best--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Shalyn Greenhaw, Muscatine, 5-03.00
14.Courtney Camp, Clinton, 5-03.00
15.Victoria Ita, Burlingtong, 5-02.00
16.Alex Bartz, Cr Xavier, 5-02.00
17.Leslie Harder, Cr Prairie, 5-01.00
18.Emily Hermiston, North Scott, 5-00.00
19.Katie Soy, North Scott, 5-00.00
20.Jasmine Teague, Cr Washington, 5-00.00
21.Brea Alexander, Mason City, 5-00.00
22.Jordan Locke, Dsm Lincoln, 4-10.00
23.Maddie Froust, Valley, 4-10.00
24.Alyssa Bohlender, Indianola, 4-10.00
24.Hannah Goodwin, Roosevelt, 4-10.00
24.Jessica Harris, Cr Prairie, 4-10.00
24.Ashley Weinschenk, ICW, 4-10.00
24.Caroline Van Voorhis, ICW, 4-10.00
24.Sara Strauel, Linn Mar, 4-10.00
24.Heather Splinter, Dub Hempstead, 4-10.00

Discus
1.Aliyah Gustafoson, ICH 120-01
2.Katie Carver, CR Prairie 122-09
3.Dusty Olson, CB T.Jefferson, 132-00
4.Morgan Darrington, CB A.Lincoln, 116-02
5.Aly Cappaert, Ankeny, 119-04
6.Courtney Meyer, Newton, 115-08
7.Kayla Hernandez, Clinton, 132-06.50
8.Rana Stock, Dvpt West, 114-07
9.Amanda Piche, Linn-Marr, 145.04
10.Jess Hoffman, Epworth, 109.02
11.Valerie Velock, Valley, 125-00
12.Tara Gott, Ottomwa, 112-04
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Best--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Tydel Jones, Cr Washington, 115-05
14.Emma Edelen, Cr Jefferson, 115-00
15.Erin Bramble, Waukee, 113-03
16.Stacy Clark, PV, 112-11.50
17.Kayla Hyche, ICH, 112-03
18.Jordan Gillenwter, Cb A.Lincoln, 110-06
19.Nicole Gibson, Urbandale, 110-06
20.Shayla Carlin, North Scott, 110-06
21.Larissa Brewer, Clinton, 109.07.50
22.Briannie Krat, ICW, 107-10
23.Amanda Shrempf, Marshalltown, 107-08
24.Kenzie Raasch, Ankeny, 107-04

Shot Put
1.Cara Jansen, ICW 40-04.25
2.Aliyah Gustafson, ICH 39-02.50
3.Amie Vorthmann, CB A.Lincoln, 38-09.50
4.Jordan Gillenwater, CB A.Lincoln, 37-03.00
5.Michaela Bleeker, Newton, 36-07.50
6.Courtney Meyer, Newton, 35-08.00
7.Alicia Steffany, Burlingtong, 40-04.00
8.Larissa Brewer, Clinton, 39-09.00
9.Jadyn Spencer, Waterloo West, 40-05.25
10.Allison Blaser, Epworth, 37.05.50
11.Valerie Velock, Valley, 40-01.00
12.Alexa Hunt, Roosevelt, 39-11.25
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Best--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Tara Gott, Ottumwa, 39-07.25
14.Samantha Butlett, North Scott, 39-07.00
15.Maggie McClelland, Valley, 39-00.25
16.Kayla Hyche, ICH, 38-09.25
17.Ranae Stock, Dvpt West, 37-10
18.Kayla Hernandez, Clinton, 37-09.50
19.She She Bullock, 37-02.00
20.Ashley Boelyn Dub Hempstead, 36-09.25
21.Ariel Hudson, Sc North, 36-09.00
22.Jessie Hoffman, Epworth, 36-08.75
23.Sheniquia Wilson, Dvpt Central, 36-06.00
24.Liz Williams, PV, 35-09.00

Long Jump
1.Emma Drees, Waukee, 16-07.50
2.Brooke Walding, Dowling, 16.04.50
3.Jenny Roberts, Ankeny, 16-10.75
4.Bailey Banasch, Ames, 16-08.75
5.Allanah McCorkle, Dvpt Central, 17-04.00
6.Brena Peterson, Burlingtong, 16-09.50
7.Morgan Vorba, Mason City, 16-03.75
8.Meghan Payne, Waterloo West, 15-11.75
9.Sarah Ryan, Ottumwa, 18-03.40
10.Jalynn Roberts-Lewis, Rossevelt, 17-03.00
11.McKennan Crobbaugh, ICW, 17-05.50
12.Kiera Washpun, ICH, 17-06.00
--------------------------------------------------Next 12 Fastest--------------------------------------------------------------------
13.Shalyn Greenhaw, Muscantine, 17-05.50
14.Ashlee Downs, Valley, 16-11.50
15.Layloni Beard, Cr Washington, 16-09.50
16.Monique Harris, Clinton, 16-07.00
17.Candess McCarney, Roosevelt, 16-05.75
18.Jessie Vopova, Marshalltown, 16-04.75
19.Jessica Harris, Cr Prairie, 16-00.75
20.Kelsi Conner, Burlington, 16-00.50
21.Hannah Miller, Dvpt Central, 15-10.50
22.Tanner Werthmann, Dvpt West, 15-09.00
23.Callie Stone, Cr Washingtong, 15.09.25
24.Shantell Cortez, Dsm North, 15-09.00
24.Nyachan Pal, Cb T.Jefferson, 15-09.00

As you can see, there's a big difference between the 24th time with the new system compared to the past system (Top 2 Individual then next fastest 12 fastest in the State.

I always thought, State was suppose to represent or try to represent the fastest kids. Obviously, the old system does a heck of better job and seldom leaves out a team or an individual. Perfect example look at the Shuttle Hurdle Relay!

I'm planning on sending my findings to everyone that voted for this new system and how flaw it is. They should be making a lot of phone calls to the people they left out because they thought this system was better.

They should of looked at last years results and configured what the State Qualifiers would of been using the system they voted for before actually voting for it. I'm pretty sure the new system would of shown it would leave a lot of teams/individual out.

Overall, be prepared to see/watch a big difference and less competitive State Meet this coming week.
 
I have not been a fan of the current system since the day 1000 years ago when #1 daughter threw 35'3" (3rd in District), didn't make it to State, and we saw 31'-32' throws from elsewhere qualify by winning their Districts that year. The year following she made it to State in the shot, but the Distance Medly relay she was 3rd leg on didn't make it with slower teams elsewhere qualifying by winning ponderously slow Districts. My fix would be to subject even District winners to a minimum cutoff distance/height/time standard. I know this proposal won't fly, but the current system can not continue as is.
 
I simply want to make sure I'm comprehending this correctly. I've read through all of the posts, and have had multiple conversations with others about how the actual qualifying system works - but everyone seems to have their own twist to it. Please let me know if my understanding of this is accurate or not:

A "prelimanry listing" is made of the 1st place through 3rd place finishers (in the case of Class 3A and 2A, 8 districts x 3 place finishers = a listing of 24). So, we have this listing of 24 individuals or teams, which is then sorted from fastest to slowest times.

The next step is: If someone placed 4th or worse in one of the districts, in order to make it to state, they must have a time equal to or better than the 12th best time from that initial list of 24. If they do have a time equal to or better, then they will qualify for state. But, the individual or team with the 24th best time from the initial list of 24 gets bumped off the final qualifying list of 24, unless they placed 1st at their district.

So, lets say a 4th place finisher in a district has a time that's better than the 20th best time on the initial list of 24, they don't make it to state because their time isn't equal to or better than the 12th best time on the initial list, even though their time is better than 4 other individuals or teams on the initial list (in the 20-24 spots on the initial listing).

I think that's correct, simply wanted to double check before I attempt to explain it to others.
 
Fdxc,
Great work. You just saved me some time. I was waiting on complete results from a coaching buddy of mine from a district and I was going to do the same thing you just did and mail/present it to the people who changed it as well as to both of the Union/Association heads. The state meet SHOULD be about getting the best kids to the meet....not just to make sure the top 8 get in. For some kids, just QUALIFYING for the state meet is the same goal as it might be for another kid to be a state finalist or a state champ. That satisfaction and sense of accomplishment has been taken away by this bogus system. This system is only a fraction better for boys, but it is a horrendous step backwards for the girls. There is not ONE girls coach that wanted this change. Nobody wanted it because the system (the GIRLS system) was not broke...so why mess with it??!!! We don't need this just to create "discussion" on these boards. We want what is best for the sport and best for the kids. If I was Lewis Central's coach I would first call up Mike Parker at Iowa City West and apologize for them having to sit at home with a 1:08 while his team is at state with a 1:24 in the shuttle....and secondly....I would call up the Union and give up my spot in the shuttle for a deSERVING team. 10:02 and 10:10 4x800s are not in but 10:37 is?? A 4'8" high jump is in?? Marks like these are an embarrassment as to what the state meet has always been about on the girls side. A 13.50 100m dash got in?? Are you KIDDING me? The last 5 years cutoff has been 13.15, 13.20, 13.10, 12.73, and 12.80. Now we get 13.5s. I hope everyone at both the Girls Union and Boys Association....as well as the people who strong-armed the girls reps into going with this system watches this watered down meet. I hope they especially watch the girls prelims on Thursday night in the shuttle when Ames crosses the finish line and Lewis Central's anchor leg still hasn't started. I feel sorry for those poor kids already. You keep hearing the argument from the other side that it only matters if your finalists are in. I say that is crap. Tell it to those kids who are watching from the stands whose biggest goal of the year was just to MAKE it to state but were left out because of this joke of a system. I am pretty sure it matters to them.
 
Another issue I have, and hopefully it will be resolved in the next week or two - why, exactly, does the ighsau/iahsaa find it necessary to make district results/cutoffs "top secret." Why are coaches having to go through and figure out what the cutoffs actually were? I understand that they may not want to post the district results immediately - in case of errors, or coaches/parents/kids jumping to conclusions and thinking they have qualified when they haven't. However, why are they not posted now? Why wasn't there a list of the "top 12" cutoff time for each event/class. They have it all sitting there. I asked if they would be posted once the qualifiers were listed, and was told that "it would be discussed." What?? Seriously? How about you never release any basketball scores/stats and then just put up a list of "qualifiers" at the end of basketball season. Why do track coaches need to play detective in trying to get results? Absolutely bizarre.
 
No problem Sportsphan. I really hope the joint advisory track & field committee looks at my findings. I'm definitely going email each one on the findings and hopefully they go to the board and voice our concerns and make somekind of change. It would be nice that it went back to the "old system" and have boys use the system as, but we both know the likelyhood that won't happen. The whole cutoff of "Top 12" doesn't make sense one bit at all. It's basically saying if you're not Top 12 then we really don't care how bad 13-24 are and that's the case just make state Top 16 then or something.

I hope other peoplew, whether parents,coaches, or even the athletes read my findings...feel free to copy the paste the findings and email them (board & advisory). I'm pretty sure if a person did this in other classes, I have a feeling the difference will be even more spread out than class 4a.

Overall, I think every track & field spectator wants to watch the best the state has and not watch a water downfield...which this year it'll be. That poor Lewis Central team, I'm going feel for you come your race.
 
anyone else noticed any errors in their final list? I noticed the i believe 14th and 15th place qualifiers got 4th and 5th in their district in 2a girls long jump yet they are state qualifiers? I thought it was top 12 cutoff?
This post was edited on 5/16 1:47 PM by Duddley Do Right
 
That's possible provided they got bumped that far. If a bunch of people beat the cutoff at 12, it'll push everyone down.

For example, 5 jumps come in better than the cutoff at 12th. If they're jumps 4, 6, 8, 9, and 10, the 12th jump just fell from 12th to 17th.
 
oh alright, i thought it was automatically, if you didnt get in the top 12 then you were out (non top 3 in 2a). Have they posted what the cut offs were anywhere? Maybe the system isnt as bad as I thought then, still tough to get in the top 12 though thats for sure.
 
In order to qualify for state it takes skill and luck. The athlete needs some luck with the weather and luck with the district meet that they get assigned to.

The following is data from the boys 4A districts:

1. 4A1 - had 19 athletes post qualifying marks that were in the top 6 of all district marks. This district also had 24 athlete's who qualified for state with marks in the bottom 6.
2. 4A2 - 17 with top 6 marks and 23 bottom 6 marks.
3. 4A3 - 21 with top 6 marks and 13 bottom 6 marks.
4. 4A4 - 13 top 6 and 17 bottom 6.
5. 4A5 - 16 top 6 and 12 bottom 6.
6. 4A6 - 22 top 6 and 19 bottom 6.

Top 6 receive points at state. Again, luck with weather and your assignment. Draw your own conclusions regarding the data. It will be interesting to see how this data shakes out after the state meet.

Luck of the draw? It is difficult to score points if you don't qualify for state. 4A1 was a quad meet. Do your own research.
This post was edited on 5/16 9:48 PM by best4boys
 
Couple of thoughts:

* They score and medal top 8 at state now

* We've all heard it before, but it is so true...If it ain't broke, don't fix it. They girls system was not broke, it was compromised in the name of compromise. Not right

* This exact topic was brought up and shot down last fall at the IATC state meeting. Anderson, Overton and several members of the Advisory committee were in attendance. We were told by Anderson that the change was made after a vote by the advisory group last spring. A large number of coaches voiced concern and were pretty much told to shut up and deal with it. Anderson even went so far as to say that he did not want to hear from and would not address complaints from parents. We (as coaches, parents or athletes) need to get administration on board. The IGHSAU and IHSAA need to hear from AD's and even superintendents. I get the impression that they will continue to turn a deaf ear to us no matter how loud our voice is.
 
Thank you fdxc for your awesome work. I was wondering about this. Sad to see some outstanding relays and kids didn't make it but would have under old system. Our girls 4x800 ran sub 10 but being in a tough district we were 5th, but didn't run fast enough to get within the top 12. Like other have mentioned, I feel for 4a and 3a the cutoff should be the 16th place time after you take the top four out of each district. For 1a and 2a I think top 12 does the job, but I can't speak to whether or not this needs to be changed as well, being that I coach 4a.

Any truth to the rumor state qualifing again may change in the future due to some higher ups possibly leaving/retiring within a couple of years? Just a rumor I heard, nothing confirmed. I do believe though some people can't accept great ideas when they don't come up with them and refuse to accept them, in certain instances. If you get my drift.
 
I agree the new system is a step up for the boys system and I can see where the girls are frustrated with the new system. Just a thought to throw out...

I noticed quite a few of the qualifers with the slower times that have been critized so bad for on this board (at least 1A and 2A) are from Ida Grove, Cherokee and Manson where the weather was horrible for most of the night with changing winds, rain, and two 45 minute rain breaks. Are these events with slower times actually events that deserve to be state qualifiers but have slower times because they were running in different weather conditions than the other 2/3 of the state.

Maybe these events wouldn't have qualified under the old girls' system of the next best 12, 16 times whatever, but is the new system somewhat of an equalizer for different conditions? I'm not sure we have all the stats yet on the system...let's hold off on debate and see how many of these performances finish in the top 12 and 16 at state first.
 
A follow up to my earlier post that it takes luck, skill and the right district in order to qualify for the state meet.

The following are points scored at the state meet as per 4A boys districts:

1. 4A1 - 88 points scored at state
2. 4A2 - 121 points with 4 teams not scoring any points
3. 4A3 - 149 points
4. 4A4 - 80 points
5. 4A5 - 99 points
6. 4A6 - 151 points

There is a wide range of points scored by each district. In 4A6 had Davey not been injured you could add another 20+ points. I am hopeful that those assigning teams to a district are mindful of how teams compete and score throughout the year. There are some good athlete's staying at home while others get placed in a weak district and made it to state. Yes, I know that there isn't a perfect answer.
 
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