Potential for 24 playoff teams?

[LukeFeddersen]

Via the DM Register on the playoff change to 16 teams.

Scott Heitland, head coach, Dallas Center Grimes

"One thing I've told a couple coaches, it may fall back to 16, but our fight to get it back to 32 starts in November when our season's over. They've expanded it once and I'm optimistic in time that we'll find a way and approach to have more teams participate."

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st.../?hootPostID=a963da64aa2f0a2505c6cf1988e88f9a

 

[mtdew_fever]

With 32 teams you have over half of the 3A schools in the playoffs. Why even play week 9 then?

Via the DM Register on the playoff change to 16 teams.

Scott Heitland, head coach, Dallas Center Grimes

"One thing I've told a couple coaches, it may fall back to 16, but our fight to get it back to 32 starts in November when our season's over. They've expanded it once and I'm optimistic in time that we'll find a way and approach to have more teams participate."

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st.../?hootPostID=a963da64aa2f0a2505c6cf1988e88f9a

 

[paxregis]

Because Week Nine games determine qualifiers & seeding in almost every district over the seven years of the 32 team field.

The only way that the playoffs return to 32 teams is if they push the start of the season to Week Zero, maintaining the nine week regular season. The only losers in this scenario are the eight-man teams that lose a game when their district loses a team mid-cycle.

 

[ISUChip]

A 24-team bracket is the same number of rounds as a 32-team. You'd be right back to the compacted postseason schedule.

 

[mtdew_fever]

The thing is.....is that week 8 could have the exact same effect on qualifiers and seeding. All they need to do is eliminate a non-district game.

Because Week Nine games determine qualifiers & seeding in almost every district over the seven years of the 32 team field.

The only way that the playoffs return to 32 teams is if they push the start of the season to Week Zero, maintaining the nine week regular season. The only losers in this scenario are the eight-man teams that lose a game when their district loses a team mid-cycle.

 

[PNation]

Play Thanksgiving weekend, if UNI has a playoff game play the title games on Monday and Tuesday after or in most cases UNI is going to have a good idea that they may host a game that weekend and go to a Thursday, Wednesday, Tuesday, Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday, Tuesday/Wednesday format. It wouldn't be perfect but there would be 5 days between games instead of 4 or 3 like our current system which would allow for 1 day of rest and 4 days of practice.

 

[Hawksince73]

Participation trophies for everyone! You're all winners!

 

[ISUChip]

The only way that the playoffs return to 32 teams is if they push the start of the season to Week Zero, maintaining the nine week regular season.

Coupled with the school start date legislation, that means everybody is playing their first game before the first day of classes. That seems a little off to me.

 

[paxregis]

I doubt the IHSAA would want to have a flex schedule for the semis/finals based on UNI-Dome availability. If they want to protect the nine-game regular season and not start Week Zero, the coaches should put forward playing the finals the Monday/Tuesday after thanksgiving.

 

[fmclonefan]

Interesting comments from DCG coach. Sounds like will still be a push to get back up to 32 teams. I think I would rather see everybody play at week 0, if going to go back up to 32 teams. But, as mentioned previously, this would entail a game before school starts the way the school schedules are set up now. But, lots of teams scrimmaged last night and probably would have been fine having a game, although I'm sure the coaches like having a week after the scrimmage to work on things. However it is done though, there needs to be a week between each playoff game, is crazy not to do it any other way. Seems like the boys from Boone and the high school football coaches can put their heads together to work out a solution to this.

 

[KidSilverhair]

To have over 16 playoff teams, your choices are:

- Use the compressed "3 games in 10 days" playoff schedule. I think that's never coming back.
- Start Week 0. That means one or possibly even two games before school even starts.
- Move the championship games to a later date. This could mean holding the games earlier during Thanksgiving week, or playing them somewhere besides the Dome. I think both of these options are unlikely.
- Cut the season from 9 games to 8. That costs every school in the state one home gate every other year.

I think that's it. There's only three conceivable options (they're never going back to the compressed schedule), and there's serious issues with all of them.

My suggestion to add to this list would be to start the playoffs Week 9. But instead of cutting a regular season game, leave Week 9 open on the master schedule, and once the playoff teams are known, you can match up the non-qualifiers in one final regular-season game. Everybody gets 9 games guaranteed. True, the gate issue still comes into play (the playoff teams won't get anything for Week 9), so that's still a problem.

I really like the notion of 24 playoff teams, but the state has been adamant in not allowing byes for any playoff qualifier.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

To have over 16 playoff teams, your choices are:

- Use the compressed "3 games in 10 days" playoff schedule. I think that's never coming back.
- Start Week 0. That means one or possibly even two games before school even starts.
- Move the championship games to a later date. This could mean holding the games earlier during Thanksgiving week, or playing them somewhere besides the Dome. I think both of these options are unlikely.
- Cut the season from 9 games to 8. That costs every school in the state one home gate every other year.

I think that's it. There's only three conceivable options (they're never going back to the compressed schedule), and there's serious issues with all of them.

My suggestion to add to this list would be to start the playoffs Week 9. But instead of cutting a regular season game, leave Week 9 open on the master schedule, and once the playoff teams are known, you can match up the non-qualifiers in one final regular-season game. Everybody gets 9 games guaranteed. True, the gate issue still comes into play (the playoff teams won't get anything for Week 9), so that's still a problem.

I really like the notion of 24 playoff teams, but the state has been adamant in not allowing byes for any playoff qualifier.

Why move them to a later date, play at a stadium that is open. So what if you don't play in the UNI dome, play them at Jack Trice or Kinnick. That would be sweet, I realize it would be cold, but oh well. Football is meant to be played in cold weather. I realize the state has to dance around UNI schedule which is a pain.

 

[paxregis]

Jack Trice would never be an option - grass field. No way the athletic department would allow their field to get torn up from six games in two days. Kinnick would only be available every other year because the Nebraska game is always the Friday after Thanksgiving.

Why would it be such a big deal to play the finals on the Monday/Tuesday after Thanksgiving? It would allow a five week playoff schedule and keep Week Zero open.

 

[roosterk]

Keep 8 districts, top 4 teams go to play offs, but playoffs start week 9, non-qualifying teams play non-district game week 9 announced with playoff matchups. As long as no district have more than 9 teams should work fine.

Week 9 games for non-qualifiers should be matched up by records to try to make competitive games with less regard to distance.

I suppose there maybe an odd number of teams so somebody might be left out. Maybe a district with 7 or 9 teams play week 0 so if they don't get a match week 9 they still played 9 games, if they get a match they play 10.

If getting enough home games is an issue, go ahead and make it a 10 game schedule and first round losers and non-qualifier can play week 10. Only teams that might not get 5 home gates a year would be qualifiers that win first round.

These games might reduce the gate at playoff games so my guess is the IHSAA wouldn't like it.

 

[KidSilverhair]

Why move them to a later date, play at a stadium that is open. So what if you don't play in the UNI dome, play them at Jack Trice or Kinnick. That would be sweet, I realize it would be cold, but oh well. Football is meant to be played in cold weather. I realize the state has to dance around UNI schedule which is a pain.

I mean later than they're played now, the week before Thanksgiving. The Dome is always available that week, but not Thanksgiving week. If you stretch out the playoffs an additional week, you wouldn't be able to use the Dome (unless you maybe planned on the first half of that week).

I think you and I are saying the same thing.

 

[BFJUSTICEBIGBLUE]

Here what i heard 24 team with the district champions geting a bye while the 3rd and 2nd in the district plays to get in to face a district champion. it will get rid of 2 and 3 teams that make it. That seem more likey to happen then 32..


The only problem I see with the 16 playoff is and this is not likey but what happen if you have 3 district with a 3 way tired but you only have two wildcard spots how are their going to decide with out bais. Lets said gilbert, norwalk, harlen and SC bishop heelen all in tired district. Now you only have two wildercat spot who do you think will get it. The team that will have the most fans their because of money.out of those four SC bishop heelen and harlan would get the two spot that are left the only way it could be non-bais is a ap poll and a coaches poll. used the coaches poll to get the 2 wildcard spots in.