Marv Cook rumor
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Get something passed then, get your AD to gather the widespread support that we are told is out there. Start a petition, get organized and make it happen. Should be easy with all of the states that have had success with it. Make it happen.
Been there..... done that... IAHSAA doesn't listen to logical reasoning. For example, take the 'seat belt rule' in basketball for coaches, also a stupid idea. Despite dozens of petitions with hundreds of reputable signatures and not one other state that does it, they continue to think the rule is a great idea. Doesn't mean I won't stop trying... thanks for the encouragement.
I'm all for starting another petition to separate private and public schools. I'm sure you will sign this petition, right? Just post details of how you want me to get the petition to you. Thanks again for your encouragement.
Be careful what you wish for...
If the IHSAA ever split public and private, I would hope that privates would take a hard look at leaving the IHSAA, forming their own association, taking a good deal of IHSAA's revenue and actually begin recruiting...like for real and aggressively.
Then public schools could have their JV tourney while the real Championship was decided in front of the press and scouts with the profits being shared by the private schools to further increase their facilities, scholarships and recruiting efforts.
Theoretically, it could get way worse for public schools if the sore losers get their way.
If the IHSAA ever split public and private, I would hope that privates would take a hard look at leaving the IHSAA, forming their own association, taking a good deal of IHSAA's revenue and actually begin recruiting...like for real and aggressively.
Then public schools could have their JV tourney while the real Championship was decided in front of the press and scouts with the profits being shared by the private schools to further increase their facilities, scholarships and recruiting efforts.
Theoretically, it could get way worse for public schools if the sore losers get their way.
Now somewhere in all of these discussions we were told that if the majority wanted something done it would get done. Now you are telling us that isn't the case? That if all of these coaches, AD's and administrators want a change that the boys in Boone won't do it? Sounds like your petitions should be to replace the boys in Boone.
I don't think Iowa has the dynamics to have 2 separate associations, but the notion that has been brought up before that the IHSAA would up and crumble if the private schools left is beyond laughable. If it was in the best interest of private schools to leave the IHSAA I am sure they would in a heart beat, but you and I know it is not in their best interest.
We do have common ground on that. For an administrator to say that he never realized how bad the playoff schedule was until going to a national convention and having other states shocked that was how Iowa did it says either they don't care about the kid$ or they really have no clue about the proce$$, either way it calls for a change in how they do things there.
And what's sad is it had been brought up many times by coaches here. So for the state to say they didn't realize it until they went to a national convention means either A. they truly do give a deaf ear to members of their association or B. they plain out lied. Either way, I would be all for a shakeup.
Thanks for the laugh. Who cares if they form their own association and recruit, certainly not the majority of people in this state. They would be their own little island. They obviously would not be in the public post season event and could even be cut out of regular season games or for sure limited to non district. Your private association would be about important as a back yard pick up game in the eyes of most people. I say do it, sounds like a great idea!
I don't think it would be ideal for either organization, but I think you would see some changes made, probably couldn't support two organizations one for boys, one for girls. The championships would be devalued, revenue would decline and there would need to be some changes. As far as freezing privates out of schedules I am sure that would happen and when schools saw their gate revenues drop there would be more changes needed. It is an interesting proposition.
It would be the place to see many of the best programs and players in the State (i.e. the two Iowa QB recruits and many, many more). Good luck keeping the attention, ticket sales and the sponsor money coming in when you're featuring teams from towns of 500 that everyone knows would get smoked by a private school.
Good luck keeping your best players if schools really wanted to pursue recruiting and scholarships.
Good luck keeping your best players if schools really wanted to pursue recruiting and scholarships.
You guys are silly, just stop. No way a private school association would stay a float. What, is Regina going to travel to Dowling on a Tuesday night to play a volleyball game? Or are they going to pack the gym playing Cedar Rapids Christian Valley? The big battle between Regina and Prince of Peace sounds enticing.
The private schools have great teams but there just is not enough of them in Iowa to make a separate class or association work. And a North Cedar vs West Branch match up probably sells as many hot dogs as a Regina vs North Cedar match up. Stop thinking that the public schools NEED private schools to keep the association afloat. It's just not true. I would actually predict such a scenario would deter quality athletes from the private schools, not the other way around.
The private schools have great teams but there just is not enough of them in Iowa to make a separate class or association work. And a North Cedar vs West Branch match up probably sells as many hot dogs as a Regina vs North Cedar match up. Stop thinking that the public schools NEED private schools to keep the association afloat. It's just not true. I would actually predict such a scenario would deter quality athletes from the private schools, not the other way around.
Like I said go for it. I'm confident it will have zero impact on the ticket sales of the games i will be watching because there will still be two teams and they will both still have the same fans as before. No one will care if the private schools are better because they won't be playing them, it would be like they don't exist. Your nuts if you think the only way kids will be able to be recruited and get scholarships would be in the private league. Tons of players from public schools have and will continue to be recognized for college opportunities. Good luck finding all that scholly money to give the recruits by the way and have fun driving all over the state to find other private schools to play.
I see quite a few public guys listed here, amazing they were able to be noticed at their public schools, small ones even for some.
Top 10 in-state high school senior football recruits
ESPN.com
Rank Player Position Hometown Height Weight Stars Grade College
• 1. Drew Cook ATH Iowa City Regina 6-4, 220 4-star 80 Iowa
• 2. Jake Newborg OG Inwood West Lyon 6-2, 271 3-star 77 Iowa
• 3. Anthony Nelson DE Waukee High School, 6-6, 215 3-star 76 Iowa State
• 4. Levi Paulsen OT, Moville/Woodbury Central, 6-5, 255 3-star 76 Iowa
• 5. Landan Paulsen OG, Moville/Woodbury Central 6-5, 257 3-star 75 Iowa
• 6. Brett Waechter DE, Hartley, Hartley-Melvin-Sanborn, 6-4, 260, 3-star 75 Iowa
• 7. Julian Good-Jones OT, Cedar Rapids Washington, 6-5, 270 3-star 75 Iowa State
• 8. Garrett Jansen DE, Pella Community High School, 6-1, 243, 3-star 75 Cincinnati
• 9. Ryan Boyle QB, West Des Moines Dowling Catholic, 6-2, 205, 3-star 75 Iowa
• 10. Bryce Meeker OT, Cedar Rapids Prairie, 6-5, 290, 3-star 74 Iowa State
Scout.com
• 1. Landan Paulsen
• 2. Levi Paulsen
• 3. Ryan Boyle
• 4. Jake Newborg
• 5. Julian Good-Jones
• 6. Seth Nerness DE Murray (Iowa) Murray Junior-Senior High School, 6-3, 220 Iowa State
• 7. Bryce Meeker
• 8. Garrett Jansen
• 9. Anthony Nelson
• 10. Brett Waechter
Rivals.com
• 1. Bryce Meeker
• 2. Landan Paulsen
• 3. Levi Paulsen
• 4. Julian Good-Jones
• 5. Brett Waechter
• 6. Jake Newborg
• 7. Anthony Nelson
• 8. Ryan Boyle
• 9. Drew Cook
• 10. Bryce Kemp TE, Collins-Maxwell-Baxter, 6-4, 208, Eastern Michigan
The sad thing is the public schools need the private schools more than the private schools need the public. Look at the best schools in Iowa and most are private. Where do kids go to get an education? Private. A private association would do very well and could contain itself. The state loves when private schools go to state because they bring really large crowds, i.e. $$$$$$. If you haters of private schools dislike private schools so much why don't we just close them all down and see how much our taxes go up. Can see you $$$$$ signs in your eyes? Private schools is the driving force behind better public schools academically. If you want to settle for something less, set your goals for something less. That's what all this talk sounds like on this board. If we can't play with the big dogs, let's find a way to get rid of them. Let's settle for being luke- warm. Let's be the state that is mediocre. Let's see how many businesses want to come to our state then. Private schools do well because people believe in them which is more than I can say about a lot of the whiners on this board when it comes to their schools. Private schools would do well with a separate association because they would have fewer schools to support and would main stream the association and get rid of all the fat. If private schools left the association, the ones that board other states would certainly survive. The worst thing that ever happened to the Sioux City schools, both private and public, was the break up of the Sioux Interstate Conference. You sound like a bunch of whiners that say, if we can't play at your level, I am going to take my ball and go home! And I hear all this talk about private schools having all these resources. What about those. The reason private schools do well is because they have found a way to educate our children for less than a public school can. And for those of you say, we have to educate all kids that come to us, take them out of the equation and you will find the private schools still do it better and for less. I think private schools do better because of what they are feed at school! High expectations!!!!!
Oh, one last thought. I thought this thread was about the Marv Cool rumor. Oh, I guess any thread can change into a public vs. private thread. Some people just can't stay focused on the topic at hand.
Oh, one last thought. I thought this thread was about the Marv Cool rumor. Oh, I guess any thread can change into a public vs. private thread. Some people just can't stay focused on the topic at hand.
Now the entire Iowa Education Association would collapse without the standards private schools set. My gut hurts from laughing so hard. I also have no idea how the state ever survived financially when the finals were not consumed by private schools. They would probably not even televise a West Lyon vs South Winn final, the watered down product would be too much for a football fan to bear, lol.
One of the reasons people despise private schools is because you think you are so much better than everyone else in everything, as seen in your comments. You can toot your horn all you want about your academic and athletic achievements and that's fine. But to think everyone else would struggle to survive without your existence is down right laughable.
And since this is a thread about Marv Cook, one would have to wonder how he ever became as successful as he has by coming from inferior public education. He must have slipped through the cracks, a true miracle.
This post was edited on 11/24 4:04 PM by rkhemp
One of the reasons people despise private schools is because you think you are so much better than everyone else in everything, as seen in your comments. You can toot your horn all you want about your academic and athletic achievements and that's fine. But to think everyone else would struggle to survive without your existence is down right laughable.
And since this is a thread about Marv Cook, one would have to wonder how he ever became as successful as he has by coming from inferior public education. He must have slipped through the cracks, a true miracle.
This post was edited on 11/24 4:04 PM by rkhemp
LOL at all this. Not sure where this private school has the best crowds comes from. Whatever public school is playing in the finals would have just as good or better crowd depending on where they come from. The whole post is the typical snobbish we are better than you attitude that is the reason people dislike private schools. Bottom line is private schools would be left in the cold and all the delusional talk in the world won't change that.
I am well aware of the fact that there aren't a ton of private schools and Iowa is a large, spread out state. Hence why I said to let them figure it out.
I am well aware of the fact that there aren't a ton of private schools and Iowa is a large, spread out state. Hence why I said to let them figure it out.
Sorry RH,you served up a softball i couldn't help myself. Let's do a little exercise in positive thinking. I'll give you 3 reasons why I send my kids to our school. Faith based,small size,great education. Now you give me 3 of your reasons. I promise that your reasons are as sincere as mine. The big difference is i won't accuse you of a rigged system that's holding back the potential that exist in every school in Iowa.Improve your schools potential. Please stop with the whoa is me stuff. I live in a great community with lots of choices about education etc. Sports are a very small part in the big picture. I do wish your school the best.
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