I would say that has more to do with the history of the program, there's a reason Prince of Peace struggles even in a community with population to offer. But your point has validity, much like some of the small districts surrounding bigger communities as well.
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I would say that has more to do with the history of the program, there's a reason Prince of Peace struggles even in a community with population to offer. But your point has validity, much like some of the small districts surrounding bigger communities as well.
Just to be clear - I never said "poaching/" I understand families making the best decisions for their families/student athletes. Just saying those decisions don't always benefit the privates.
I've also seen, first hand, a public school coach talk to a student athlete, after a game, in the game venue about coming to play for them. Those conversations happen, and you can say, oh, 'he's just kidding," but I think that's how those conversations get started. It takes a coach and/or a parent opening the door.
Yeah, it does happen. And it should happen more often from all schools IMO. I just find it odd that recruitment is not admitted by Private schools when it is obvious it happens.
All the arguments are about private and public. I am sorry but you see the same thing happening with school districts all over the state from small to big, private and public. You can see it all the way from North Linn in Class A basketball to Dowling in Class 4A football and all sports and sizes in between. It also happens in all the girls sports too. Once a tradition is established kids want to come there.
As far as socioeconomic conditions-how many pro athletes come from disadvantaged areas? Obviously there are great athletes are from poorer schools and some from well to do areas. Just play with the hand that is dealt.
As far as socioeconomic conditions-how many pro athletes come from disadvantaged areas? Obviously there are great athletes are from poorer schools and some from well to do areas. Just play with the hand that is dealt.
it happens more in the metro areas than the rural areas. Especially with schools located near bigger 4A type towns. That is where things happen the most. It is not a level playing field as compared to rural areas with 3-4 thousand and 1A towns located near 25,000 metros. Then you throw in the Private schools inside 65,000 metro areas playing the smallest level of competition when they have a town of maybe 1,000....
It was until someone... Pinehawk.... brought up the other stuff. I am just filling him in on a few things.
It was most certainly not me. Refer to post #142 in the thread for when the focus changed.
And, you didn't fill me in on anything.
I took offense to this take. I agree with the last part. But the consolidate or play 11 man is dumb.
Yeah I’ll take the hit, I’ve got big shoulders.
Besides, it’s difficult to discuss districts when non exist...yet, hence
The districts will be released this Friday. Hopefully that will give some posters something better to talk about.Yeah I’ll take the hit, I’ve got big shoulders.
Besides, it’s difficult to discuss districts when non exist...yet, hence
When I looked at 1A this is exactly how I guessed it too. It is pretty easy cutoff in the north to use I-35. The south it is a little harder, but I think that makes a good breaking point.
You would be wrong according to the state's past BEDS numbers. NF was at 102 only 2 years ago. This tells me they've got a really big sophomore class going through, as I wouldn't think that either Newell or Fonda would be growing that much.The 94 to 102 range would be about 35 kids per class. To get to 136, they would be at about 45 kids per class. I don't think they would grow that quickly.
Newell-Fonda BEDS numbers
18-19 - 94
19-20 - 102
20-21 - 133
21-22 - 136
Side note: when I looked this up, I couldn't find anything older than 2018-19. Admittedly, I didn't spend a bunch of time looking, but does anyone have older BEDS numbers? I wanted to see what Sidney's were and how long they were above before the state made them move up.
Sidney BEDS numbers
18-19 - 154
19-20 - 131
20-21 - 136
21-22 - 130
Are there any other teams that have been "forced" to move up? I can't really recall. Seems like once a school goes to 8-man, they're not around very long after that. Think Aurelia, North Sentral Kossuth, Armstrong-Ringstead, Adair-Casey, etc.
I think it is admitted far more than you think. I have been very clear that private schools recruit. They have to or they will close. Now will you admit how widespread it is at public schools? I watched a class go from 64 to 48 when the tuition goes up. It happens.
No, I'm saying the door swings both ways, there are kids with D1 aspirations that jump to a 4/5A to be part of the competition level college coaches pay more attention to. In Iowa, that only currently gives an advantage to one private.
You're forgetting about 2-man putt-putt...;-)
No other sports necessitates fielding 35-40 min athletes to yield a competitive starting 11....
I really don't have a problem offering 8 man. Clearly there are quite a number of kids that get to play a version of football they wouldn't get to otherwise. If the state was sponsoring a program just to have 20 schools compete, I'd say maybe they just shouldn't have football, but with 68 schools, a full 20 percent of Iowa Schools, that's significant.
You don't see near the volume of schools unable to assemble a competitive 5 v 5 starting basketball roster.. So, it's a sport by sport thing. There are school that can't field enough runners to compete as a team, but at least those kids can still compete on an individual basis.
Here's the link to Department of Education data back to 1991-92:
Education Statistics PK-12 | Iowa Department of Education
This section presents the data collected by the Department in various formats for PK-12 schools. While most of the data are presented in excel spreadsheets that users can download for their own analysis, data are also presented as maps and written reports, including The Annual Condition of...
I believe rockford was at 8 man for a few cycles before moving back up to A. I don't know if they were forced to or not. In 2016 and 2017 they played 11 man. They didn't win a game in 11 man those 2 years. They dropped back down to 8 man in 2018 and ended up state runner-up. Their losing streak before 2018 was nearly 3 full seasons stretching back to their previous 8 man days. I think this is how that went down anyway.
Some transparency on the boys union would solve all of this. If there's an exception, I wish they would explain the exception so there isn't speculation. 8 man (and other small classes in other states) is absolutely needed for this sport in high school athletics. Borderline teams, especially teams that CAN field an 11 man roster, shouldn't be granted exceptions. I understand all of the field size logistics and with borderline teams that can be a testy subject. Transparency from the state would kill all that noise.
My 8-Man Projections
D1 Bishop Garrigan, GTRA, H-LP, North Iowa, Northwood-Kensett, St Mary's, N-F, WB-M, and K-P
D2 Rice, Rock, Turkey, Kee, Central (Elk), Tripoli, West Central, Clarksville, Janesville
D3 Glad-Rein, Dunk, Bosco, Ed-Co, Central City, Easton, Midland, Springville, GMG
D4 C-W, Iowa Valley, H-L-V, Eng V, WACO, Winfield-Mt Union, New London, LT, Tri-County
D5 Meskwaki, BGM, Montezuma, Twin Cedars, M-D, SE Warren, Mormon Trail, Mora, Seymour
D6 Colo-Nesco, C-M, Bax, Grand View, Mart St. Mary's, Murray, Lenox, Lamoni, East Union
D7 Audubon, EEHK, CAM, Gris, Stanton, Bed, East Mills, F-M
D8 Riv V, Sioux Ch, ArWeVa, Boy V, Glid-Rals, CR-B, FD St Ed, Wood, W Harrison
D1 Bishop Garrigan, GTRA, H-LP, North Iowa, Northwood-Kensett, St Mary's, N-F, WB-M, and K-P
D2 Rice, Rock, Turkey, Kee, Central (Elk), Tripoli, West Central, Clarksville, Janesville
D3 Glad-Rein, Dunk, Bosco, Ed-Co, Central City, Easton, Midland, Springville, GMG
D4 C-W, Iowa Valley, H-L-V, Eng V, WACO, Winfield-Mt Union, New London, LT, Tri-County
D5 Meskwaki, BGM, Montezuma, Twin Cedars, M-D, SE Warren, Mormon Trail, Mora, Seymour
D6 Colo-Nesco, C-M, Bax, Grand View, Mart St. Mary's, Murray, Lenox, Lamoni, East Union
D7 Audubon, EEHK, CAM, Gris, Stanton, Bed, East Mills, F-M
D8 Riv V, Sioux Ch, ArWeVa, Boy V, Glid-Rals, CR-B, FD St Ed, Wood, W Harrison
| D1 | East Buchanan, Winthrop | Nashua-Plainfield | Newman Catholic, Mason City | North Butler | Saint Ansgar | South Winneshiek, Calmar | Wapsie Valley, Fairbank | West Fork, Sheffield |
| D2 | Alburnett | Bellevue | Clayton Ridge, Guttenberg | Lisbon | Maquoketa Valley, Delhi | North Cedar, Stanwood | North Linn, Troy Mills | Starmont |
| D3 | Belle Plaine | Columbus Junction | Highland, Riverside | Lynnville-Sully | North Mahaska, New Sharon | Pekin | Wapello | Wayne, Corydon |
| D4 | AHSTW | Earlham | Mount Ayr | Riverside, Oakland | Sidney | Southwest Valley | St. Albert, Council Bluffs | Tri-Center, Neola |
| D5 | Alta/Aurelia | Hinton | IKM-Manning | Lawton-Bronson | Logan-Magnolia | Missouri Valley | Westwood, Sloan | Woodbury Central, Moville |
| D6 | Akron-Westfield | Gehlen Catholic, LeMars | Hartley-Melvin-Sanborn | Lake Mills | MMCRU | North Union | South O'Brien, Paullina | West Hancock, Britt |
| D7 | AGWSR, Ackley | BCLUW, Conrad | Colfax-Mingo | Grundy Center | Hudson | Madrid | North Tama, Traer | Ogden |
I don't think it will be 7 districts of 8 but yet 8 districts of 7 but we will find out friday. I think you have some districts pretty close but you have a few schools crossing each other to go to different districts as I would put lake mills or starmont in district 1 and move East Buc to district 2, Lisbon or north cedar to district 3. Bellevue is the odd one that is tough to place.
heres my take if they go 8 Districts of 7 teams in Class A
| D1 | East Buchanan, Winthrop | Clayton Ridge, Guttenberg | Bellevue | Alburnett | Maquoketa Valley, Delhi | Starmont | North Linn, Troy Mills |
| D2 | Lisbon | North Cedar, Stanwood | Pekin | Belle Plaine | Columbus Junction | Wapello | Highland, Riverside |
| D3 | Lynnville-Sully | North Mahaska, New Sharon | Colfax-Mingo | Earlham | Southwest Valley | Mount Ayr | Wayne, Corydon |
| D4 | AHSTW | Riverside, Oakland | Sidney | St. Albert, Council Bluffs | Tri-Center, Neola | Logan-Magnolia | Missouri Valley |
| D5 | Akron-Westfield | Hinton | IKM-Manning | Lawton-Bronson | Gehlen Catholic, LeMars | Woodbury Central, Moville | Westwood, Sloan |
| D6 | Alta/Aurelia | West Hancock, Britt | Hartley-Melvin-Sanborn | Lake Mills | MMCRU | North Union | South O'Brien, Paullina |
| D7 | Saint Ansgar | Newman Catholic, Mason City | North Butler | Nashua-Plainfield | South Winneshiek, Calmar | Wapsie Valley, Fairbank | West Fork, Sheffield |
| D8 | AGWSR, Ackley | BCLUW, Conrad | Ogden | Grundy Center | Hudson | Madrid | North Tama, Traer |
I think you are a lot closer with this formatt.
But we do add sport - bowling was a relatively new add, archery was a relatively new add. All it takes is a shift in thinking to say that 8 man or 6 man is really a different offering, not a variant of an existing sport. If you think of it that way it's potatoe/potahto
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