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1.) Cedar Rapids Xavier 7-0 (Previous Ranking: #1)

2.) Solon 7-0 (Previous Ranking: #2)

3.) Dallas Center Grimes 7-0 (Previous Ranking: #3)

4.) Pella 6-1 (Previous Ranking: #4)

5.) Sergeant Bluff-Luton 7-0 (Previous: #6)

6.) Webster City 6-1 (Previous Ranking: #7)

7.) West Delaware 6-1 (Previous Ranking: #8)

8.) Waverly-Shell Rock 6-1 (Previous Ranking: #9)

9. Davenport Assumption 5-2 (Previous Ranking: #10)

10.) Norwalk 5-2 (Previous Ranking: Not Rated)

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Looks pretty decent Luke.

Agree with Norwalk taking Boone's spot in the top 10. IMO Harlan had the chance for a statement win but the 7-6 victory over Winterset wasn't as impressive as Norwalk's near win over Pella.
 
I can’t fully understand anyone that doesn’t have Solon as #1 at this point. They have allowed only 14 points in 7 games. Maybe I’m more awestruck by defense than the average fan nowadays, but 14 points in 7 games is preposterous.

My buddy sent me an article from an Iowa City paper that showed Solon’s defenses thru 7 games from all of their title teams and this team is on top by quite a bit.
 
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listen to the harlan game for 10 min...they had 2 turnovers in that time, but the defense kept them in heavy rain game....to slippery for foss....see tuesday how many turnovers harlan had...harlan still wins with 4 string qb...#1 should be back anytime now...maybe friday
 
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OK then
1. Solon
2. Xavier
3. DCG
4. Harlan
5. SBL
6. Dav Assumption
7. Pella
8. WSR
9. Webster City
10. Norwalk, Storm Lake, Heelan, Glenwood
 
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IowaHSFootballFan said:
No, feel free to rank them however you see fit! I just like to recognize defensive football in a time when offense is all anyone seems to be interested in!
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I believe Solon has scored 277 and allowed 14 in 7 games.

So average game looks like:

Solon 39.5
Opponent 2
 
The Solon schedule hasn't been been very good. Might have something to do with the stats. Good team but we will see before they are 85 Bears.
 
ronsss said:
listen to the harlan game for 10 min...they had 2 turnovers in that time, but the defense kept them in heavy rain game....to slippery for foss....see tuesday how many turnovers harlan had...harlan still wins with 4 string qb...#1 should be back anytime now...maybe friday
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Are we really still hoping that going into week 8 that #1 QB will be legit? If I was the coach not sure I would make that change. The way this keeps coming up you would think he was a D1 recruit.
 
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StatewidePundit said:
The Solon schedule hasn't been been very good. Might have something to do with the stats. Good team but we will see before they are 85 Bears.
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Its probably the weakest district in 3A, not saying Solon isn't good, but definitely the D is helped out by schedule. Osky is probably the 2nd best offense in that district.
 
If you get a chance to see Solon’s front 7, like I did against Regina, you’d realize it doesn’t matter the district they are in. The two linebackers were essentially unblockable.
 
This made me curious of opponent records for the top ranked teams. Here's what I have:

Overall Record (Non District)

Solon 29-20 (11-3)
Wahlert 29-20 (9-5)
Heelan 28-21(6-8)
Pella 28-21 (12-2)
Waverly-SR 27-22 (6-8)
Xavier 27-22 (6-8)
Decorah 26-23 (6-8)
Assumption 25-22 (12-2)
West Delaware 25-24 (10-4)
Glenwood 23-26 (5-9)
Oskaloosa 23-26 (7-7)
Webster City 23-26 (8-6)
Carlisle 22-27 (5-9)
Norwalk 22-27 (9-5)
SB-L 21-28 (5-9)
DC-G 20-29 (7-7)
Washington 20-29 (5-9)
Storm Lake 17-32 (1-13)
Boone 11-38 (2-12)
 
IowaHSFootballFan said:
This made me curious of opponent records for the top ranked teams. Here's what I have:

Overall Record (Non District)

Solon 29-20 (11-3)
Wahlert 29-20 (9-5)
Heelan 28-21(6-8)
Pella 28-21 (12-2)
Waverly-SR 27-22 (6-8)
Xavier 27-22 (6-8)
Decorah 26-23 (6-8)
Assumption 25-22 (12-2)
West Delaware 25-24 (10-4)
Glenwood 23-26 (5-9)
Oskaloosa 23-26 (7-7)
Webster City 23-26 (8-6)
Carlisle 22-27 (5-9)
Norwalk 22-27 (9-5)
SB-L 21-28 (5-9)
DC-G 20-29 (7-7)
Washington 20-29 (5-9)
Storm Lake 17-32 (1-13)
Boone 11-38 (2-12)
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who played 4a teams who played 2a teams
 
No, don't bother but just makes a big difference. Solon is a very good team but really haven't played anyone. We will see what happens in the playoffs 3a is real interesting this year. Don't be surprised if a wildcard team makes the title game.
 
IowaHSFootballFan said:
This made me curious of opponent records for the top ranked teams. Here's what I have:

Overall Record (Non District)

Solon 29-20 (11-3)
Wahlert 29-20 (9-5)
Heelan 28-21(6-8)
Pella 28-21 (12-2)
Waverly-SR 27-22 (6-8)
Xavier 27-22 (6-8)
Decorah 26-23 (6-8)
Assumption 25-22 (12-2)
West Delaware 25-24 (10-4)
Glenwood 23-26 (5-9)
Oskaloosa 23-26 (7-7)
Webster City 23-26 (8-6)
Carlisle 22-27 (5-9)
Norwalk 22-27 (9-5)
SB-L 21-28 (5-9)
DC-G 20-29 (7-7)
Washington 20-29 (5-9)
Storm Lake 17-32 (1-13)
Boone 11-38 (2-12)
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Certainly showed in the case of Boone last Friday.
 
StatewidePundit said:
No, don't bother but just makes a big difference. Solon is a very good team but really haven't played anyone. We will see what happens in the playoffs 3a is real interesting this year. Don't be surprised if a wildcard team makes the title game.
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I'm not arguing for the difficulty of Solon's schedule as I have no ties to Solon and I don't think D5 is good at all outside of the top 3 teams. The bottom 4 seem to be awful.

Having seen Solon play and watching high school ball for the last 25+ years, I will say that this is one of the best defenses I've seen, if not the best. You can take that for whatever you want - I don't expect my opinion to matter anymore than anyone elses's opinion so disagreement is welcome.
 
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El_Doce said:
Are we really still hoping that going into week 8 that #1 QB will be legit? If I was the coach not sure I would make that change. The way this keeps coming up you would think he was a D1 recruit.
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well....qb is most important postion.....4th string vs 1st , probably some differense, don,t u think....
 
iowaHawkeyes2323 said:
LOL at the people who have Assumption in the top 10 and don't have West Delaware in the top 10 when WD beat them head to head
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LOL

Yes, but there is that inconvenient loss to 2A Mount Vernon (6-1) that must be explained away. Assumption disciples would point to the fact that the loss to West Delaware was in overtime. (It matters; obviously the outcome of the game was in doubt until the absolute end of the game). Assumption backers would also point to the win over 4A North Scott (6-1).

Mt. Vernon was beaten 19-0 by Solon this year. I think Mt. Vernon qualifies as a quality opponent for any 3A school.
 
StatewidePundit said:
No, don't bother but just makes a big difference. Solon is a very good team but really haven't played anyone. We will see what happens in the playoffs 3a is real interesting this year. Don't be surprised if a wildcard team makes the title game.
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Solon is the only team among 3A contenders to have played 5 teams with winning records:
2A Mount Vernon 6-1, 1A Regina 5-2, 3A Washington 6--1, 3A Oskaloosa 5-2, 3A Mount Pleasant 4-3. Solon has won each of these games. To say that they "really haven't played anyone" is simply not an accurate statement.
 
I would say that Solon playing weak competition down the stretch will benefit them playing less snaps, but I wonder if they will be as sharp when they have to play a quality opponent. Overall they have played a good schedule, but the bottom 5 teams in their district are not good.
 
Superbee922 said:
Solon is the only team among 3A contenders to have played 5 teams with winning records:
2A Mount Vernon 6-1, 1A Regina 5-2, 3A Washington 6--1, 3A Oskaloosa 5-2, 3A Mount Pleasant 4-3. Solon has won each of these games. To say that they "really haven't played anyone" is simply not an accurate statement.
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We'll see where Washington, Oskaloosa and Mount Pleasant finish. I would argue that Mt Vernon only quality win in that list. Maybe Regina, but I struggle giving a 1A school that much credit, if we are really talking about Solon being a dominating force, I would hope they can beat a 1A school. Also the leading tacklers for Solon this year didn't even start last year, but now they have become "unblockable"? Will give Linderbaum credit, but watched the Pella/Solon game last year and that defense did not seem that stifling. Not sure how they made the quatum leap with limited returners. I think they are a good team and deserve the top rank, but not buying the stats.
 
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El_Doce said:
We'll see where Washington, Oskaloosa and Mount Pleasant finish. I would argue that Mt Vernon only quality win in that list. Maybe Regina, but I struggle giving a 1A school that much credit, if we are really talking about Solon being a dominating force, I would hope they can beat a 1A school. Also the leading tacklers for Solon this year didn't even start last year, but now they have become "unblockable"? Will give Linderbaum credit, but watched the Pella/Solon game last year and that defense did not seem that stifling. Not sure how they made the quatum leap with limited returners. I think they are a good team and deserve the top rank, but not buying the stats.
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THe LB's for Solon were Soph's last year. If you doubt Regina, have your top 3A school come play them. If you paid attention to Regina the past 7 years you would not be saying what you said - they could hang with most 3A teams.

If you watched the Pella game last year, you would have noticed Linderbaum was unstoppable and the Pella coach was quoted "we had no answer for him" - hence why Pella had less than I believe 50yds rushing.
 
All I’ll say in this from now on is just wait until you see Solon’s junior linebackers.

I laughed as I read your post and I laughed again as I wrote my response. They are very very good. Both are at least 6’1” 220LBS. The middle linebacker is probably 230LBS and can run. They look like a statues and they throw linemen.
 
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iowaHawkeyes2323 said:
LOL at the people who have Assumption in the top 10 and don't have West Delaware in the top 10 when WD beat them head to head
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I was at this game in week 3. I thought Assumption was the better team, but WD’s experience found a way to win it at the end, and that deserves credit. Assumption and WD are both good teams, and they are both probably worthy of discussion as top 10 teams.
 
volknut said:
THe LB's for Solon were Soph's last year. If you doubt Regina, have your top 3A school come play them. If you paid attention to Regina the past 7 years you would not be saying what you said - they could hang with most 3A teams.

If you watched the Pella game last year, you would have noticed Linderbaum was unstoppable and the Pella coach was quoted "we had no answer for him" - hence why Pella had less than I believe 50yds rushing.
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Knew I would strike a chord with some Regina fan that trolls the 3A boards, looking for a spot to chime in. Lets see 3A teams I would pick, Pella, DCG, Norwalk, Xavier, Heelan, West Del, Washington, Assumption.......probably some more. Not hanging. Its the same argument that Pella/Xavier could hang with Dowling.........

Don't think I ever saw a Pella quote about Linderbaum.......if you look at quikstats he had 5 total tackles, zero TFL, zero sacks and Pella threw for 300 yards, so why run the ball?.....Also, if these LBs are the sentinels theu are being billed out to be, they would start as sophs. pretty sure Morris did. Again, not saying they aren't talented but people saying they are not blockable I question. I don't question that you have to double Linderbaum and probably one of them gets missed often.
 
IowaHSFootballFan said:
All I’ll say in this from now on is just wait until you see Solon’s junior linebackers.

I laughed as I read your post and I laughed again as I wrote my response. They are very very good. Both are at least 6’1” 220LBS. The middle linebacker is probably 230LBS and can run. They look like a statues and they throw linemen.
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Just trying to keep things real.....take a look at quikstats and let me know who these 200+ lb (Jrs/Sophs) are. Maybe they don't tackle anyone cause they are throwing linemen and looking like statues?, so they don't top the tackle charts, where most linebackers would.
 
El_Doce said:
Just trying to keep things real.....take a look at quikstats and let me know who these 200+ lb (Jrs/Sophs) are. Maybe they don't tackle anyone cause they are throwing linemen and looking like statues?, so they don't top the tackle charts, where most linebackers would.
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I have know clue but looking at points allowed I'm guessing Solon has a lot of 3 and outs so probably not a lot of tackles to be had
 
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IowaHSFootballFan said:
All I’ll say in this from now on is just wait until you see Solon’s junior linebackers.

I laughed as I read your post and I laughed again as I wrote my response. They are very very good. Both are at least 6’1” 220LBS. The middle linebacker is probably 230LBS and can run. They look like a statues and they throw linemen.
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Bock is 6' 195 and Flansburg is 6'1 210. The biggest factor is that Linderbaum if you try to straight up block him, he beats you (Wirfs had a hard time with him last year). When you double team that frees up the LB's and SAM to fire away (it also pushes the scraps to other DL). Both LB's are very good in pass coverage as well (I believe both have at least 2 picks).
 
Guessing you are going to say Linderbaum isn't very good based on his tackle numbers as well? FYI the top 3 tacklers are Jr.s

Tackles

Tackles
Athlete Solo Tackles Tackle
Assists Total
Tackles Solo Tackles
for Loss Assist Tackles
for Loss Solo
Sacks Sack
Assists
Adam Bock 24 27 37.5 1 0 0 0
Coal Flansburg 16 13 22.5 3 0 2 0
Ryan Gestkemper 11 17 19.5 1 0 0 0
Tyler Linderbaum 8 16 16.0 2 0 1 0

Interceptions yds avg tds (FYI 3 of top 4 are Jr's).
Coal Flansburg 3 120 40.0 2 60
Jack Stahle 2 24 12.0 1 24
Adam Bock 2 32 16.0 1 32
Dillon Holt 1 35 35.0 1 35
 
El_Doce said:
Just trying to keep things real.....take a look at quikstats and let me know who these 200+ lb (Jrs/Sophs) are. Maybe they don't tackle anyone cause they are throwing linemen and looking like statues?, so they don't top the tackle charts, where most linebackers would.
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Feel free to blindly disagree. Until you watch them in person or on TV, you’re commenting about something you have no idea about.

As a fan from the Waterloo area that goes to whatever big game I feel like driving to (or I can convince my brother to drive to) on a Friday night, I’m telling you, I watched them in person and they are outstanding. You can disagree because you trust quikstats (I disregarded that about three years ago because accuracy is about 50/50) or you can disagree because you don’t like Solon. Either one is fine. I’m just telling you what I saw. Those guys are both bigger than 215lbs and #7 is definitely over 225lbs.

As for the Pella/Solon game last year.. Truth be told, Pella had some trouble running the ball. Solon couldn’t run or pass the ball. Pella had two 6’6” receivers, threw up the jump balls and Solon had no answer for that. Game over by half time. Pella was clearly better, but I will say that they didn’t pass because they didn’t have to run. They had some issues running.
 
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Knew I would strike a chord with some Regina fan that trolls the 3A boards, looking for a spot to chime in. Lets see 3A teams I would pick, Pella, DCG, Norwalk, Xavier, Heelan, West Del, Washington, Assumption.......probably some more. Not hanging. Its the same argument that Pella/Xavier could hang with Dowling.........

Don't think I ever saw a Pella quote about Linderbaum.......if you look at quikstats he had 5 total tackles, zero TFL, zero sacks and Pella threw for 300 yards, so why run the ball?.....Also, if these LBs are the sentinels theu are being billed out to be, they would start as sophs. pretty sure Morris did. Again, not saying they aren't talented but people saying they are not blockable I question. I don't question that you have to double Linderbaum and probably one of them gets missed often.
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Swing and miss - I am a Solon fan.

I would put Regina and Mt. Vernon against any of those 3A teams you list and it would be a hell of a game. No it is not the same argument, you are talking the difference of 200 kids per class to 1000+ per class - BIG difference.

Pella coach said that to our coaches. Go watch the hudl against Pella. Pella had 42yds rushing in the game - they had to pass.

They played as Soph's, didn't start - if you are comparing anyone to Morris you are going to pale in comparison (other than Jewell).

so you don't think guys develop from Soph to Jr year - not sure what you think happens.

Adam - http://www.hudl.com/profile/8353077/adam-bock

Coal - http://www.hudl.com/profile/7322869/coal-flansburg
 
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