St. Ed's vs Ogden

[Greenvapor]

As most of you know I am a biased SE fan. Having said that, I am wondering what other people's take on this Friday night. I for one am praying for Gail force wins to stop Ogden 's passing game.
I feel lik SE have very capable runners out of the backfield. Obviously, O Tool is the cog in that machine. The qb showed some speed last week at Madrid. I think he can step up and be a factor this week. The line on both sides of the ball will be key for the Gaels. If they can dominate like last week, I feel like we have a pretty good shot at winning. I am concerned about Ogden's passing game. They seem to put up a lot of points every. Could this be a high scoring affair? This is also SE third tough game in a row. I am a little concerned cabout the little nicks and bruises guys get over tough games like they have had the last few weeks. I see this game as measuring stick to see just how good the Gaels are in class 1A. Have they learned any thing from their loss in the finals last year.

I do need to give a shout out to O tool who now owns the all time rushing record at SE. As TJ right does, he gives all the credit to his O line.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

It is impressive, what T.J. has been able to accomplish in just his junior year. There have been faster kids to play his position, but he's got a great mold of attributes that have allowed him to excel in Coach Tighe's offense....that and a very good OL that's continuing to improve from an execution standpoint each game despite usually being undersized against their competition.

Friday's game will be the 4th time SE has faced a ranked opponent, at the time of playing (Garrigan, MNW, SCC).

It will also be a matchup of Class 1A's top two rushers. Austin Lentz leads O'Tool by 2 yards (if my math is correct) and both have 19 rushing TDs on the year, which is also best-in-class.

While the passing game will be the featured key for the Ogden O and St. Eds D, I'm interested to see what Ogden does with Cayce Good running the ball, if it comes to that. Despite the spread/pistol offense they run, it appears Good has yet to register a single carry.

Of course, it also looks like Ogden likes to get rid of the ball quickly after the snap, when they're not handing it off to Lentz or on a sweep, so there probably isn't an opportunity, or a need, for Good to run. They also like to spread the ball around in the passing game. They can target as many as 6 different receivers multiple times throughout a game, though the West brothers receive most of the attention. Tackling is gonna be important for the Gaels in limiting the yards after catch that Ogden has thus far thrived on.

As I mentioned in the district thread, the winner of this game has an inside track to the district title. SE can clinch a share, while Ogden would need one more win to do the same. SE still has a non-district game next week at Southeast Valley. The winner of this game also controls their fate for getting to host in the playoffs, as both have qualified.

 

[WadeWubben]

Ogden is obviously an outstanding team but I just think St. Edmond is too strong on both sides of the ball. I see the Gales controlling this game.
This post was edited on 10/7 8:06 PM by WadeWubben

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

It will also be a matchup of Class 1A's top two rushers. Austin Lentz leads O'Tool by 2 yards (if my math is correct) and both have 19 rushing TDs on the year, which is also best-in-class.

actually, Luke Lenoch of WB is the #2 RB in 1A by yardage (6 yards).

he would have more TD, but the Bears are not a one trick pony (meaning, they have one of the more accurate QB's in the state

O'Tool is around 200 behind them both

 

[se xc1]

Thx coach. By the way, we are an Irish Warrior, not a strong wind Any updates on the Gael /Cugar vball match? Just funnin ya!!!

 

[WadeWubben]

My bad..I typed it correctly...I think my phone switched it. MNW won volleyball 3-0.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by BlameIt:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

It will also be a matchup of Class 1A's top two rushers. Austin Lentz leads O'Tool by 2 yards (if my math is correct) and both have 19 rushing TDs on the year, which is also best-in-class.

actually, Luke Lenoch of WB is the #2 RB in 1A by yardage (6 yards).

he would have more TD, but the Bears are not a one trick pony (meaning, they have one of the more accurate QB's in the state

O'Tool is around 200 behind them both

I like that you checked your facts....

It's a good thing I did too. Turns out we're both wrong.

..........................O'Tool is only a yard behind Lentz, not two.


Ogden does their fair share of passing as well. I think both Lentz and Lenoch benefit from their offenses being able to spread/stretch the field. That opens lanes to run for their playmakers, and if you've got a kid with good vision, give him some space and he can take it the distance every time. That's what makes Regina's run game so dangerous. They force defenses to play in space, but they've also got the talent to beat you on every play.


Fun fact to end on: every player to run the ball for SE has scored a rushing TD and averages over 7 yards per carry.

 

[nwmsbearcat]

According to QuikStats, here are the Top 5 rushers in Class 1A:
Lentz (Ogden) - 1184 yds - 19 TDs
Lenoch (WB) - 1178 yds - 15 TDs
Santi (Madrid) - 1002 yds - 14 TDs
O'Tool (FDSE) - 945 yds - 19 TDs
Gibbons (Madrid) - 869 yds - 7 TDs

 

[Pinehawk]

Imagine the numbers Regina's Jake Brinkman could put up it he'd be allowed to play more than one half (or quarter) of football.

Brinkman - 59 carries, 522 yards, 8.8 yd's/carry

To put that in perspective, West Branch's Lenoch practically had practically as many carries in a single game (40) as Brinkman has had all season.

Regina's second running back, Nick Phillips has just 17 rushing attempts for 297 yards for an impressive average of 17.5 yards/carry.

 

[WadeWubben]

Very good point Pinehawk. We forget about the coaches who are pulling kids before halftime due to lopsided scores.

Hey, Regina should be well rested- seems like most of their games are that way. I thought I saw last week where someone said their qb was out of the game with 9 minutes to go in the 1st half...unreal.

 

[Pinehawk]

In last week's game Regina played 5 QB's and 13 different players had a rushing attempt. That might not be the way to get Regina to the top of the computer rankings, but it is certainly getting next season's underclassmen and future starters some very valuable varsity experience.

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by BlameIt:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

It will also be a matchup of Class 1A's top two rushers. Austin Lentz leads O'Tool by 2 yards (if my math is correct) and both have 19 rushing TDs on the year, which is also best-in-class.

actually, Luke Lenoch of WB is the #2 RB in 1A by yardage (6 yards).

he would have more TD, but the Bears are not a one trick pony (meaning, they have one of the more accurate QB's in the state

O'Tool is around 200 behind them both

I like that you checked your facts....

It's a good thing I did too. Turns out we're both wrong.

..........................O'Tool is only a yard behind Lentz, not two.

please pay particular attention to the part of this page that shows

LENTZ 1184
LENOCH 1178

O'TOOL 945

he is a yard behind them (if you add 232 and 238 to the players, respectively)

By all means tell me I am wrong about those statistics.
I love when you do that, bro.
LOVE.
http://www.quikstatsiowa.com/Public/Football/IndividualStandings.aspx?IDSport=91A308DE-5763-4DAA-8C03-9AF66611E0BC

I am sure that somebody as detail oriented as you can figure out how to use drop down arrows and such.
This post was edited on 10/8 3:59 PM by BlameIt

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Imagine the numbers Regina's Jake Brinkman could put up it he'd be allowed to play more than one half (or quarter) of football.

Brinkman - 59 carries, 522 yards, 8.8 yd's/carry

To put that in perspective, West Branch's Lenoch practically had practically as many carries in a single game (40) as Brinkman has had all season.

Regina's second running back, Nick Phillips has just 17 rushing attempts for 297 yards for an impressive average of 17.5 yards/carry.

Records would be broken, I would have to assume.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by BlameIt:please pay particular attention to the part of this page that shows

LENTZ 1184
LENOCH 1178

O'TOOL 945

he is a yard behind them (if you add 232 and 238 to the players, respectively) One of those, yeah.

By all means tell me I am wrong about those statistics. Why, what will happen?
I love when you do that, bro.
LOVE.
http://www.quikstatsiowa.com/Public/Football/IndividualStandings.aspx?IDSport=91A308DE-5763-4DAA-8C03-9AF66611E0BC

I am sure that somebody as detail oriented as you can figure out how to use drop down arrows and such.
This post was edited on 10/8 3:59 PM by BlameIt

Lol, I like how personal you made it.


Sigh....my subtlety is often lost on people.

Do more research. quikstats....Sometimes it's better to ask questions first.

 

[BlameIt]

You were wrong. Just accept it and move on.

How is that for subtle?
This post was edited on 10/8 7:17 PM by BlameIt

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by BlameIt:

You were wrong. Just accept it and move on.

How is that for subtle?
This post was edited on 10/8 7:17 PM by BlameIt

Fine. I see you're not in the gaming mood (couldn't just take my word for it in the first place). O'Tool rushed for 253 yards against Madrid...so yeah, add 238 to what it says. 1,183 yards.

Bye.

This post was edited on 10/8 9:53 PM by DarkThunder#61

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by BlameIt:

You were wrong. Just accept it and move on.

How is that for subtle?
This post was edited on 10/8 7:17 PM by BlameIt

Fine. I see you're not in the gaming mood (couldn't just take my word for it in the first place). O'Tool rushed for 253 yards against Madrid...so yeah, add 238 to what it says. 1,183 yards.

Bye.

This post was edited on 10/8 9:53 PM by DarkThunder#61

i find it intriguingly odd that his yardage for that game went from 19 carries, 15 yards to 19 carries, 253 yards since 7:45 this evening.

#quikstatmagic

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Imagine the numbers Regina's Jake Brinkman could put up it he'd be allowed to play more than one half (or quarter) of football.

Brinkman - 59 carries, 522 yards, 8.8 yd's/carry

To put that in perspective, West Branch's Lenoch practically had practically as many carries in a single game (40) as Brinkman has had all season.

Regina's second running back, Nick Phillips has just 17 rushing attempts for 297 yards for an impressive average of 17.5 yards/carry.
OK, Lamont has 30 less passing attempts than Drew Cook.

he would lead Class 1A if he had the same amount as DC.

instead, WB is happy to be a 50/50 team.

This post was edited on 10/8 10:25 PM by BlameIt

 

[CP84]

OrigJust accept it and move on Blameit.ly posted by BlameIt:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by BlameIt:

You were wrong. Just accept it and move on.

How is that for subtle?
This post was edited on 10/8 7:17 PM by BlameIt

Fine. I see you're not in the gaming mood (couldn't just take my word for it in the first place). O'Tool rushed for 253 yards against Madrid...so yeah, add 238 to what it says. 1,183 yards.

Bye.

This post was edited on 10/8 9:53 PM by DarkThunder#61

i find it intriguingly odd that his yardage for that game went from 19 carries, 15 yards to 19 carries, 253 yards since 7:45 this evening.

#quikstatmagic

Ha, foiled by quikstats.
This post was edited on 10/8 10:27 PM by CP84

 

[Pinehawk]

If DarkThunder can get O'Toole's yardage corrected in Quikstats within a day...surely he can get last years 1A Championship game updated as well.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
If DarkThunder can get O'Toole's yardage corrected in Quikstats within a day...surely he can get last years 1A Championship game updated as well.

You presume too much my regal friend.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by BlameIt:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by BlameIt:

You were wrong. Just accept it and move on.

How is that for subtle?
This post was edited on 10/8 7:17 PM by BlameIt

Fine. I see you're not in the gaming mood (couldn't just take my word for it in the first place). O'Tool rushed for 253 yards against Madrid...so yeah, add 238 to what it says. 1,183 yards.

Bye.

This post was edited on 10/8 9:53 PM by DarkThunder#61

i find it intriguingly odd that his yardage for that game went from 19 carries, 15 yards to 19 carries, 253 yards since 7:45 this evening.

#quikstatmagic

Couldn't just take my word for it in the first place....

 

[cidhawkeye]

Blame, I am confused by what you mean when you say WB is a 50/50 team.

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
Blame, I am confused by what you mean when you say WB is a 50/50 team.

they like to be 50% pass, 50% rush.

not a one trick pony team (ex: Madrid runs the ball 94.3% of the time...FDSE runs just over 90% of the time)

in 2014, you cannot be predominantly run or pass expect to win a state title.

By comparison (other top 10 teams):

Ogden is 52.6% rush, 47.4% pass
Regina is 59.5 rush, 40.5 pass
WB is 59.7 rush, 40.3 pass.
South Winn is 65 rush, 35 pass
IKM-Manning is 82.7 rush, 17.3 pass
Dike-NH is 77 rush, 23 rush
West Lyon is 89.3 rush, 10.7 pass
North Cedar is 53 pass, 47 rush
Pella Christian is 53.8 pass, 46.2 rush

RUSHING LEADER: Madrid runs in 94.3% of the time
PASSING LEADER: Pella Christian at 53.8%, North Cedar at 53%

 

[Bringin the Heat]

I have seen both teams play in person, and I can assure you that St. Eds will literally RUN away with this game. Ogden's passing attack consists of quick outs and screen passes that require the WRs to break tackles or relying upon the other WRs to block the DBs and OLBs. St Eds secondary and OLBs are impressive at tackling. I'm not sure they missed a single open field tackle against Madrid. The Gael's back 7 will be the difference maker in the game. I have a hard time believing that Ogden has much success running the ball on them, and without a vertical passing game, they will get stopped with the more aggressive St Eds DBs. While on offense, Ogden won't be able to stop O'Tool and the physicality of St Ed's O line. Madrid wasn't stopped by Ogden's D except when they coughed the ball up and had 2 rushers over 220 yards each. I imagine St Edmond will win by over the 13 point rule and wins the district undefeated.

 

[usfhawk]

How big is the St. Ed's Oline?

What type of offense do they run?

 

[MVPFAN]

Originally posted by usfhawk:
How big is the St. Ed's Oline?

What type of offense do they run?

They typically run a belly series, somewhat similar in philosophy to what E'burg runs but SE does not feature the FB so much and go wide more. Tighe is very good at teaching proper blocking technique much like Twait was. They don't tend to throw much unless they have to but can pot shot you here and there. They have more size this year that they have had other years but not a road grader type line. They are getting off the ball quick and execution. They typically have good team speed and fundamentals. IMO if you keep O'Tool in check you have a good shot to beat them but not as easily said as done. The D is sound, quick and hit well.

 

[Bringin the Heat]

St Edmonds runs a bastard slot T formation. It's a tight split power running attack. They double up front and drive off the line well. They are quite large up front, especially on their strong side. 190 Blocking Back, 210 TE, 255 T, 225 G, 220 C, if I remember right. O'Tool isn't a speed burner, but has really good hips and sets up his blockers exceptionally well. He has a tendency to bounce the belly play outside, but will hit the hole wherever it opens up. They are a tough team, and with 9 seniors starting on O and 10 on D, they have experience across the board. They'll be a tough out for anyone.

 

[usfhawk]

It will be interesting to see who they match up with come playoff time. There are alot of solid teams in their area, but the "top 3" of Regina, West Branch and South Winn are way east. The thing that makes this game Friday night so interesting is that there is a solid chance that they could meet Ogden again in the playoffs

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by usfhawk:
It will be interesting to see who they match up with come playoff time. There are alot of solid teams in their area, but the "top 3" of Regina, West Branch and South Winn are way east. The thing that makes this game Friday night so interesting is that there is a solid chance that they could meet Ogden again in the playoffs

i would put the % chance of that at 97

if they both, FDSE and Ogden, win in 1st 2 rounds of postseason, they will play in quarters. That % I put at 99

 

[usfhawk]

Originally posted by BlameIt:

Originally posted by usfhawk:
It will be interesting to see who they match up with come playoff time. There are alot of solid teams in their area, but the "top 3" of Regina, West Branch and South Winn are way east. The thing that makes this game Friday night so interesting is that there is a solid chance that they could meet Ogden again in the playoffs

i would put the % chance of that at 97

if they both, FDSE and Ogden, win in 1st 2 rounds of postseason, they will play in quarters. That % I put at 99

This rematch could also happen in round 2, although the state claims they will make all reasonable attempts to find a non district opponent for round 2.

If both teams keep on winning the most likely rematch would be in the quarterfinals.(as Blameit said)

 

[cidhawkeye]

I was looking at it more from an attempts perspective rather than a yards gained perspective. From an attempt standpoint WB has attempted 244 running plays and 84 passes which is closer to 74% of their plays being runs. either way you are correct one dimensional teams are at a disadvantage.

 

[Pinehawk]

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
either way you are correct one dimensional teams are at a disadvantage.

St. Eds threw exactly one pass in their big game with Madrid. It was intercepted and the QB ended the game with a QB rating of -200.0.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
either way you are correct one dimensional teams are at a disadvantage.

St. Eds threw exactly one pass in their big game with Madrid. It was intercepted and the QB ended the game with a QB rating of -200.0.

 

[Greenvapor]

I heard there was some kind of big ruckus at SE practice this afternoon like a fight or something like that. Not sure who it involved but it sounds like a couple of key players could be suspended for tomorrows game. It would be a shame if this true. All I know is that back qb was taking snaps under center. It looked like SE was going to throw the ball a lot against Ogden. Not sure if that is going to happen now. Just hope this disruption does not affect the Gaels tommow night. Could be a long night for the Eddies tommow.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Can you describe the ruckus?

 

[Bringin the Heat]

Are you trying to tell me that those good little Catholic boys get in fights?! They would never!

 

[spook78]

I can't believe chicken bocken ranch would be involved.
anyway, truth of a ruckus or not, the game will be played. Things happen. Manson NNW was without their starting QB when they played SE. Life goes on.
This post was edited on 10/10 7:41 AM by spook78

 

[Greenvapor]

Never said Bocken was involved. Do not know if he somehow got hurt or what. Just know backup qb was taking a lot of snaps midway through practice. Actually, Bocken is a great kid. I think if coach Tighe let him run the ball, you could see a four headed monster in the SE backfield.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Seems kinda odd, said "incident", considering Thursday is usually their walk-through day....