So with the new RPI, I am sure there are some "obscure" games that will have an impact on team's seasons. Fort Dodge needs 0-8 Mason City to beat 1-7 Ottumwa tonight to help get a home playoff game. Any other ones out there?
RIP Impact
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Davenport N and Muscatine game could certainly impact some things. North at 6-3 might get beat in the RPI by SE Polk at 4-5 and Ankeny at 5-4, not versed enough in all the figuring, but Ankeny at 4-4 is already ahead of them at 5-3. I doubt that Muscatine gets in top 16 at 5-4.
I think there are at least 5 or 6 games that will impact them. I am sure that's the same for all those teams fighting for positioning. Lots of scoreboard watching I guess.
I really don’t know for sure, but their opponents record would put them near the bottom of 3 loss teams. Impact to Ft. Dodge is an improved opponents record with an East win.
I think you will have as many as 10 Teams in the West get in the playoffs. I remember when people on this board complaining about 5-4 and worse making it into the playoffs.
If a 4-5 team knocks a 6-3 team out of the pkayoffs, Im almost guessing know one will complain because they think the RPI system is the best invention since sliced bread.
If a 4-5 team knocks a 6-3 team out of the pkayoffs, Im almost guessing know one will complain because they think the RPI system is the best invention since sliced bread.
Southeast Polk has gotten to 3-5 playing opponents who are a combined 48-24.
Non-district games: Valley (8-0), Waukee (6-2), Iowa City West (7-1), and DM East (4-4).
Davenport North has gotten to 5-3 playing opponents who are a combined 31-42.
Non-district games: Hempstead (3-5), Dubuque Senior (2-6), Davenport Central (4-5), and Davenport West (2-6).
If Davenport North wins tonight, they will make the playoffs having been running-clocked by the only two playoff teams on their schedule, while Southeast Polk played competitive games with all five of the playoff teams on it's schedule. Regardless of the overall record, the team that is clearly better will not be in the playoffs if they both win tonight.
Before the RPI, not all the best teams made the playoffs, However never in a 16 playoff format going back to 1972 has a 4-5 team made the playoffs.
In 1988 Cedar Falls beat or gave WD Dowling its only loss in the last game of the Seadon to finsh 5-4. Cedar Falls didnt make the playoffs.
In 1989 I think Wat East won the Big 8 Championship but finished with a losing record and they did not make the playoffs.
Im just stating the fact that all those people that were against teams with losing record making the playoffs dont have an issue with it now
In 1988 Cedar Falls beat or gave WD Dowling its only loss in the last game of the Seadon to finsh 5-4. Cedar Falls didnt make the playoffs.
In 1989 I think Wat East won the Big 8 Championship but finished with a losing record and they did not make the playoffs.
Im just stating the fact that all those people that were against teams with losing record making the playoffs dont have an issue with it now
Correct. I will not have an issue with. SEP would have a running clock on Dav North by the end of the first half.
I never had a problem with 32 teams in it either truthfully. Back then losing records from the MVC would continually beat shiny records from the MAC.
Looking at the current numbers, if Davenport North gets to 6-3, it's going to be very difficult for Southeast Polk to pass them at 4-5. I would think that everybody Southeast Polk has played, that doesn't play someone else they played, needs to win tonight and the opposite for Davenport North needs to happens, all losing. Even then, it's going to be difficult.
What I find most interesting is that Pleasant Valley at 4-4, is ahead of every team that's 5-3 right now, and nobody's said anything about that.
What I find most interesting is that Pleasant Valley at 4-4, is ahead of every team that's 5-3 right now, and nobody's said anything about that.
Which is one of the biggest reasons why districts have replaced the MAC and MVC for football. MAC teams weren’t satisfied their schedule prepared them for playoff competition.
That's generally true. If you look at the MAC member teams (as it relates to FB) the only 4A teams which are truly competitive state-wide are Bett & PV, North Scott would be but they are currently 3A. It's difficult to keep the edge sharp when you're playing less competitive teams.
As a note, this also brings up the disparity of enrollment across the state and the challenges confronting the east & west districts. Of the MAC member schools, Assumption, Clinton & North Scott have dropped to 3A and Burlington (which is leaving the MAC in 2019) is 42nd out of 42.
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I did notice Pleasant Valley was in that position. If they get in and knock a 6-3 team out that would be a shame.
I can say that Im not for the RPI system. I just wonder why if it is so good why are we just using it in football and no other sports.
However I do see your points, look at Ankeny, I think they played a hard non district schedule of all.
I am for expanded playoffs as well, at least they should have a short playoff system for the teams that dont make the playoffs.
Seeing the regular season end almost two weeks before the end of the month still has not set in with me.
I can say that Im not for the RPI system. I just wonder why if it is so good why are we just using it in football and no other sports.
However I do see your points, look at Ankeny, I think they played a hard non district schedule of all.
I am for expanded playoffs as well, at least they should have a short playoff system for the teams that dont make the playoffs.
Seeing the regular season end almost two weeks before the end of the month still has not set in with me.
There will be no 6-3's failing to make the playoffs this year, and it's doubtful they will miss the playoffs as long as 4A remains with just 42 teams. It's simply a matter of numbers. I still think the RPI is a good system (certainly light years better than letting the season come down to the 5 games of the district season, and simply taking the top two teams regardless of strength of district). I will admit there need to be tweeks made to it to improve it. And I think the IHSAA knew that would be the case. This season, and maybe next season, are somewhat of a trial run for it after all. For one, I think average point differential up to, but not over 35 points, should be taken into account. The most glaring issue that I see is actually in 3A, where a 1-loss Sargeant Bluff Luton is holding the #1 seed over unbeaten's CB Lewis Central (who clobbered SB-L for their only loss), Solon, and CR Xavier.
As long as 4A is at only 42 teams, the LAST thing the state should be doing in including more teams in the playoffs. As it is, there are 16 teams, 4 rounds, and you can play them every Friday....no more of this cramming 5 games in 3 weeks crap they used to do. That was bad for the players, and bad for traveling on school nights. The other issue is that we don't need to be giving everyone a medal here. Playoff spots should be rewarded to teams who achieve well over the course of a 9 game season. Teams who lose most of their games haven't done that, regardless of SOS. Additionally, a lot of those teams that aren't qualifying for the playoffs, by and large, are because of a lack of depth. Davenport Central was an excellent example. They have a few really good players, but no depth. Some of these teams don't even have enough guys to suit up by the end of the year (even from schools with a supposedly high BEDS count!) The last thing a team like that needs a meaningless, uncompetitive game, and further risk of injury.
More than not. Seeing as the cumulative records of districts 3, 4, and 5, are better than every western district except 2. I would liken eastern Iowa as the high school football equivelent to MLB's National league, where as central/western Iowa is like the American league right now. You got your Valley's, Dowling's, and maybe Centennials posing as the Red Sox, Astros, and Yankees, while you can pretty much throw a dart at any of the SC, CB, Mason City, or DM metro schools as the resident Orioles, Royals, and White Sox. There's a greater chasm between the have's and have not's in central and western Iowa, while eastern Iowa certainly has good teams, and is deeper, but not elite, much like the national league, and few, if any really terrible teams. And it certainly hasn't helped that the boys in Boone have whacked eastern Iowa at the knees the last 5 years or so in making moves that have sent some of it's more competitive teams down to 3A, either by force (North Scott, Western Dubuque, Clinton), or by creating a more favorable situation (Xavier, Assumption, Wahlert).
I disagree. Tonight there is a very real shot that Southeast Polk beats out Davenport North for the final playoff spot -- even if Davenport North wins to finish 6-3 and SEP finishes 4-5. If you look at things closely, let's assume that SEP's opponents combined to go 5-4 this week and DN's go 3-6 (both of which are fairly likely). In that case, SEP should jump DN by a few percentage points (assuming the opp-opp % doesn't swing wildly).
Its not about giving everybody a medal. I think they should have a consolation playoff system for quality teams that dont make the playoffs. Maybe just 4-6 teams.
I mean why not, extra practice and teamwork can go along ways to help programs get better.
Im pretty sure CF 93, you will agree the 2002 & 2003 CF teams had playoff caliber teams. The only two years since 1997 they did not get in, even with 6-3 records.
This is fun to talk about and is in no way meant to disrespect anyone
I mean why not, extra practice and teamwork can go along ways to help programs get better.
Im pretty sure CF 93, you will agree the 2002 & 2003 CF teams had playoff caliber teams. The only two years since 1997 they did not get in, even with 6-3 records.
This is fun to talk about and is in no way meant to disrespect anyone
I would not be opposed to going to 8 games
Letting every team in to the playoffs baseball style with week 9 being a play in situation for the bottom 12-16 teams
going from 48 to 42 makes it a bit more messy numbers wise
Teams would lose a home gate every other year not ideal
You would still use the RPI to determine seeds
My question for this first year is how close to a 1-16 bracket will be used?
How much will geography play into matchups?
Letting every team in to the playoffs baseball style with week 9 being a play in situation for the bottom 12-16 teams
going from 48 to 42 makes it a bit more messy numbers wise
Teams would lose a home gate every other year not ideal
You would still use the RPI to determine seeds
My question for this first year is how close to a 1-16 bracket will be used?
How much will geography play into matchups?
Here is the final 16 with a Musky win
Ank Cent
Valley
CF
Johnston
Bett
ICW
Dowling
Waukee
FD
CRP
Ind
Urb
PV
Ankeny
CRK
SEP
and my matchups
AC SEP
Valley Ank
CF CRK
Bett PV
Johnston Urb
ICW CRP
Dowling Ind
Waukee FD
A Dav North win gives us
Ank Cent
Valley
CF
ICW
Bett
Johnston
Dowling
FD
CRP
Waukee
Ind
Urb
PV
Ankeny
DN
CRK
With
AC Ank
Valley Ind
CF CRK
ICW PV/DN
Bett PV/DN
Johnston URB
Dowling Ind
FD Waukee
Ank Cent
Valley
CF
Johnston
Bett
ICW
Dowling
Waukee
FD
CRP
Ind
Urb
PV
Ankeny
CRK
SEP
and my matchups
AC SEP
Valley Ank
CF CRK
Bett PV
Johnston Urb
ICW CRP
Dowling Ind
Waukee FD
A Dav North win gives us
Ank Cent
Valley
CF
ICW
Bett
Johnston
Dowling
FD
CRP
Waukee
Ind
Urb
PV
Ankeny
DN
CRK
With
AC Ank
Valley Ind
CF CRK
ICW PV/DN
Bett PV/DN
Johnston URB
Dowling Ind
FD Waukee
For starters, I was referencing teams like Waterloo East from just two seasons ago, who started with something like 22 players. Then by season's end, they didn't even have enough players for a full roster due to injuries, and were forced to forfeit their week 9 game @ CF. It was getting pretty ridiculous when all of their players were forced to play both ways, AND they're playing a lot of freshman and sophs against teams with all juniors and seniors.
Sure, those CF teams you mention were still solid teams, and perhaps playoff caliber. To go one further, in recent years, there have been 7-2 teams that haven't made the playoffs either (DM Lincoln 2007). CF was 6-3 just two years ago, as was Clinton, and Newton, all of which didn't get in either. Again though, these are all based on a 48 team field, not 42 as it is now. I think this season, especially the battle for those last 3 or 4 seeds, has been pretty chaotic. There have been more mediocre teams in that range than in some years, where all of the top 16 teams were 7-2 or better. I think if CBLC, Western Dubuque, North Scott, and throw in a Xavier, were all back in 4A, you'd see a 16 team field that would be a little more representative to what we have been accustomed to seeing over the years (or at least a top 16 out of the old 32 team field).
I still don't get this point of view. Xavier, Assumption, and Wahlert didn't move down because things would be better for them. They moved down because their 4A conferences ceased to exist for football purposes, and why would any of them volunteer to play in a class with all schools bigger than they are?
Assumption, I believe, was indeed a big driver of the MAC's demise. Likewise, Xavier said they'd stay in the MVC and continue to play 4A if the MVC didn't change membership, but Wahlert said they were leaving. So Assumption and Wahlert, yeah, they made some choices that brought district play instead of 4A conferences in the east ... but good grief, why does anybody think a school like Xavier should say, "Yeah, we know, we're 3A sized, but we'll volunteer to play Cedar Falls and Bettendorf and Prairie and guys like that because ... well, just because." Is there anybody out there seriously saying Valley and Dowling should play Morningside and Simpson and Iowa Central just because they're obviously "too good" for 4A? It's the exact same argument.
From what I remember, Xavier was holding the cards when the MVC dissolved. Had Xavier decided to stay in the MVC, then Wahlert, Assumption and others would have stayed and the MVC would still be.
I think kid silverhair is right about the whole thing.
I think kid silverhair is right about the whole thing.
Combine 3A and 4A. Jeez is it that hard. If some 3A schools don’t want to play against 3A and 4A let them move down. 3A is the best class in Iowa by a long shot. Sure, 4A might have the best team. But 3A is has much better teams overall and it’s hardly close. Look at the Western Side of the State:
1. Lewis Central
2. Sgt. Bluff
3. Bishop Heelan
4. Denison-Schleswig
5. Harlan
6. More I’m sure I’m forgetting but you get the point. Those teams would kill any CB or SC school and probably any DSM public school. Those teams would beat 3/4 or more of 4A.
1. Lewis Central
2. Sgt. Bluff
3. Bishop Heelan
4. Denison-Schleswig
5. Harlan
6. More I’m sure I’m forgetting but you get the point. Those teams would kill any CB or SC school and probably any DSM public school. Those teams would beat 3/4 or more of 4A.
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As far as PV, slim to none they'll be beaten.
Depends on what you consider "east side", does this include IC & CR?
Yeah, whoever posted it originally on Scorestream had it wrong. They corrected it now.
How is it “preposterous”? Because some people can’t over a few simple numbers regarding enrollment? How about closer traveling and more competitive games?
A live look in at the IAHSAA...
It's missing the piles of cash and the cackling laugh followed by assigning their best friend 70 year old buddies the officiating jobs in the dome.
Here’s the story as I recall. Assumption told the MAC they wanted to play 3A. The only way the MAC could continue as a conference (with 9 members) would be to either take the playoff points hit by playing down, or set up some cross-conference games with the MVC.
Xavier told the MVC they’d stay in the conference and continue to play a 4A schedule, but only if the MVC didn’t change membership or scheduling (in other words, they wouldn’t agree with setting up games with MAC teams). It was Wahlert that first said they were leaving and going to 3A. If Wahlert had stayed, Xavier would have stayed as well - although I don’t know how the MAC could have kept going with just 9 teams.
The MVC and the MAC couldn’t find any way to survive after that happened, and that brought districts to the east side.
So by stating "3A is the best class in Iowa by a long shot", if you are claiming it having the strongest teams (top 10 vs top 10), then it is preposterous. If you are going on "closer traveling and more competitive games", then there's a valid argument.
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