If the state is going to the GoBound elo system, are they going to take out the games that were jamboree or scrimage games?
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Not sure, but they should.
The goal with using The Bound’s ELO system and rankings is to have a clearer picture of where teams rank in our state by the 6th and 7th week of the season. The weekly rankings will include the top 16 teams from each class. The process for releasing our rankings will require all coaches to submit stats by noon (12:00 pm) on Sunday from the previous week. The rankings for then next week will be posted later that Sunday evening."
"ABOUT BOUND'S ELO RANKING SYSTEM
There are two formulas used in a process that assigns points to a winning team from a losing team in the ELO rating system. The number of points taken are based on whether the rating scores of each team are close or not and what the probability of winning is for each team. Every team starts with 1,000 points as a rating score. If you win games, your rating goes up. If you lose games, your rating goes down. The number of points earned and lost during games is determined based on the two formulas. The maximum number of points one team can gain or lose is 30. The number of points earned and lost also fluctuates as more games are played.The goal with using The Bound’s ELO system and rankings is to have a clearer picture of where teams rank in our state by the 6th and 7th week of the season. The weekly rankings will include the top 16 teams from each class. The process for releasing our rankings will require all coaches to submit stats by noon (12:00 pm) on Sunday from the previous week. The rankings for then next week will be posted later that Sunday evening."
Pretty sure Scrimmages and Jamboree's are already dropped out.
When you look at any school with a scrimmage, or Jamboree, it doesn't show in their record. The ELO ranking appears to follow those records (at least as far as we can tell at this point.)
With the length of the soccer season. 7 weeks takes us right up to about a week away from Substate before we know much about how teams rank. If you look at some of the travesties that occurred at the NCAA wrestling tournament this year, they serve as warning calls for relying solely on computer rankings to rank for seeding.
It will be interesting to see how substate brackets will be drawn up. Looks like the new 1A will be 8 brackets of 6, We have a few schools that went up to the new 2A, a couple who came down and a couple new ones.
When you look at any school with a scrimmage, or Jamboree, it doesn't show in their record. The ELO ranking appears to follow those records (at least as far as we can tell at this point.)
With the length of the soccer season. 7 weeks takes us right up to about a week away from Substate before we know much about how teams rank. If you look at some of the travesties that occurred at the NCAA wrestling tournament this year, they serve as warning calls for relying solely on computer rankings to rank for seeding.
It will be interesting to see how substate brackets will be drawn up. Looks like the new 1A will be 8 brackets of 6, We have a few schools that went up to the new 2A, a couple who came down and a couple new ones.
Looks like something was wrong from the way that jamboree was posted. Other scrimmages (see City High) exclude the scrimmage.
That Cedar Falls/GR issue looks odd all the way around. CF is listed with a 1-0 record overall and a 1-1 record in conference. So, yeah, something's messed up. I think the schools have to do something special when they report those scores to exclude them, so looks like an issue they'll have to fix.
Luckily they have another 5-6 weeks, LOL
I've never seen a worse attempt at rankings than what the Iowa Soccer Coaches Association put out for Week 3.
https://www.iahssca.org/page/show/7841788-boys-rankings
https://www.iahssca.org/page/show/7841788-boys-rankings
Well, there really is no point in them publishing a ranking, if it's just a reiteration of the bound ELO. Right now, They really should stop publishing them since they know, by design, that they aren't accurate of indicative of strength/quality yet. I think geography MAY play a bigger role in the perceived fairness of substate bracketing than any ranking formula. You have 19 of 48 1A programs west of I-35, so a smaller pool to begin with. It'll be interesting to see the quality of the pool in comparison (4 west substates compared to 4 east) . The other thing missing from that conversation is that while unevenness may play a role in access to state, does it impact, or could it impact the outcome of state? (It's a little like the argument that expanded the NCAA Basketball tournament to 64(8) and the one going now about NCAA football playoffs.
One way of mitigating the potential of a state quality team getting cut at a substate final would be to expand state to 16 teams. You still play the substates as has been done historically, and seed based on the results (so seeds 1-8 are all substate champs.) Then Seeds 1-4 get two byes, seeds 5- 8 get one bye and seeds 9-16 play a first round, with the 4 winners getting a match against one of the 5-8 teams.
This way a substate champ gets the benefit of having won a substate - the highest ranked of them getting double byes. The substate runners-up get another chance at life/opportunity to prove they can compete. The only real negative is that the 5-8 seeded teams end up having to play an additional game than they would have originally.
You play those first games at a geographically neutral site a couple days before state, so those runners up don't have to travel as far. The remainder get played in DSM, and you expand the calendar another 2 days (Saturday start) to accommodate the additional round.
This way a substate champ gets the benefit of having won a substate - the highest ranked of them getting double byes. The substate runners-up get another chance at life/opportunity to prove they can compete. The only real negative is that the 5-8 seeded teams end up having to play an additional game than they would have originally.
You play those first games at a geographically neutral site a couple days before state, so those runners up don't have to travel as far. The remainder get played in DSM, and you expand the calendar another 2 days (Saturday start) to accommodate the additional round.
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