Is anyone as confused by this joke of a system as I am? Teams arent rewarded for winning necessary nor playing up a class or two in non district games. Formula doesn’t weight class of opponents or head to head factor. Basically this is teaching schools and teams to schedule cupcake non district opponents instead of actually competition. I see this system lastintng the two years and then being vanished. Leave it to the IAHSAA to mess it up.
Playoff RPI
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Why should a team be rewarded for beating an awful team just because it's in a higher classification? Wouldn't everyone just clamor to play DM Hoover and DM North then? (But they're 4A, so we need to give out more points!)
As far as scheduling cupcakes goes, take a look at 1A where Pella Christian (4-2) is ahead of every single 5-1 team primarily because of the records of their non-district opponents. Better non-district schedules can offset a loss (or maybe two) in your own record.
As far as scheduling cupcakes goes, take a look at 1A where Pella Christian (4-2) is ahead of every single 5-1 team primarily because of the records of their non-district opponents. Better non-district schedules can offset a loss (or maybe two) in your own record.
Obviously you have not looked closely at the rankings and percentages. A win, no matter agaisnt how bad of an opponent, is better than a loss agaisnt a good opponent. And your 4A argument is flawed when you take into consideration size and numbers. Teams are being rewarded for playing cupcake schedules and not difficult teams. So 1 or any loss in a district automatically rules them out even though multiple runner ups in districts would win another district and vice versa. But some runner ups will get in due to a cupcake schedule that allowed wins; rather than a challenging schedule. This goes for multiple teams.
Actually, I have. 1 win of your own = 9 wins by opponents. It's why the overall RPI doesn't go straight down the line based on your own record.
It's how Westwood (5-1) can be ahead of AHSTW (6-0), despite LOSING to them. Westwood's opponents are 31-23; AHSTW's are 20-34. Of that 11-win differential, only 3 come from district opponents. So, Westwood's non-district slate is currently 8 wins tougher than AHSTW's. AHSTW is bogged down by Martensdale-St. Marys (0-6, A), while Westwood had Akron-Westfield (4-2, A).
As far as being rewarded for "playing up," should AHSTW get more credit for beating an 0-6 Shenandoah (2A) than Westwood would for beating a 4-2 Missouri Valley (1A)?
IMO the RPI will make more sense in weeks 7-9 than it has in the others previous as undefeated and 1-loss teams continue to play each other. That is where you'll see the "opponent's" records come into play.
Teams like BGM, Tri-Center, Sioux Central, (opponent's records: 23-31), Belmond Klemme (22-32), Alta, Neuman (24-30), or NT, Hinton, SWV, Ed Co (21-33) will need to win out because the only thing holding them afloat are their own W-L records. AHSTW's is bad too at 21-33 but I don't see them losing any games, and at the very most 1.
As undefeated and 1-loss teams with bad opponent's W-L records start to lose, you'll see teams with 2, 3, even 4 losses by week 9 but with opponent's W/L records above .500 creep near and/or into the top 16 in RPI and above those teams with a low opponent's W-L percentage. What will suck is if a team outside the top 16 RPI in week 9 ends up winning a district.
Also, the rule is that any 3-way ties will automatically qualify. A 2-way tie is not achievable because the head to head tie breaker. So a 3-way tie in district 5, 8, 9, or 10 would maybe keep a team in D7 out of the playoffs that deserves to go. that would also suck.
No word yet on whether the playoffs will be seeded based on RPI?
Teams like BGM, Tri-Center, Sioux Central, (opponent's records: 23-31), Belmond Klemme (22-32), Alta, Neuman (24-30), or NT, Hinton, SWV, Ed Co (21-33) will need to win out because the only thing holding them afloat are their own W-L records. AHSTW's is bad too at 21-33 but I don't see them losing any games, and at the very most 1.
As undefeated and 1-loss teams with bad opponent's W-L records start to lose, you'll see teams with 2, 3, even 4 losses by week 9 but with opponent's W/L records above .500 creep near and/or into the top 16 in RPI and above those teams with a low opponent's W-L percentage. What will suck is if a team outside the top 16 RPI in week 9 ends up winning a district.
Also, the rule is that any 3-way ties will automatically qualify. A 2-way tie is not achievable because the head to head tie breaker. So a 3-way tie in district 5, 8, 9, or 10 would maybe keep a team in D7 out of the playoffs that deserves to go. that would also suck.
No word yet on whether the playoffs will be seeded based on RPI?
Not necessarily, but should teams be rewarded for playing down and winning; instead of playing up and possibly losing. Even if that team doesn’t have success in 2A or 3A, doesn’t mean they wouldn’t against some of the class A opponents others have played. And at the end of the day shouldn’t the argument be “what If they played each other” for example AHST blowout of Sloan; yet Sloan stays ahead because the teams they have beat have won more?....
District 7 could end in a 3 way tie also. If Wapsie beats Hudson this week. North Tama without a doubt will win out with the schedule they have left
Yeah week 7 is a crazy week, either we get some much-needed clarity on teams and districts, or we will then have anywhere from 1-6 possible 3-way ties going into week 8!
The maximum amount of 3 way ties that can happen for the playoffs to remain at 16 teams is 3. Lets play Devil's advocate, what if there are 4 three-way ties? how will the state justify keeping 4 co-district champions out of the playoffs? Especially if there's co-district champions outside the top 16 in RPI
Lol oh dam getting crazy now! That’s A great question what would they do. Well from all looks district 5 will prolly not have a team in the top 16. I also could see district 4 maybe not either if south winn would win that district n that is very possible of that happening. They were much better Han I expected when I saw them week 5 against wapsie
Mathematically, there could be 6. However, I think the max would be 2. But it is a scenario, at least for this week, that's interesting to talk about!
Here's another thing to look at: let's say a team with a 6-3 overall record and is 4-1 in their district and another team in the same district is 7-2 but 3-2 in their district and lost the head to head against the 4-1 team. is it right for the 7-2 team to be in over the 6-3 team after finishing behind them in district play and losing the head to head?
Records mean nothing after the district champion is determined as its all about the RPI for at large teams.
The postseason manual came out today, which should clear a lot up. Some things that stuck with me:
Qualification/District Championships:
In cases of a 2-way tie for a district championship, head-to-head record is used and the loser goes back into the wildcard pool (as expected)
In cases of a 3-way tie for a district championship where all 3 teams are 1-1 against eachother, the team with the highest RPI will be considered the true "district champion", but the other two teams will also be automatic qualifiers. Unless...
Say there are 4 3-way ties across Class A. This would leave us with 10 true district champions but 8 potential automatically qualifying co-champs (18 qualifiers for 16 spots). If this is the case, all 8 co-champs are ranked by RPI and the top 6 are advanced as playoff qualifiers.
Host Sites:
Essentially, the district champions (including determined winners of 3-way ties) are ranked by RPI and the top 8 all get to host the first round. The state is going to avoid matching up district champs with runner ups, but champs can be matched with 3rd place teams from the same district if need be.
Brackets are preset through the quarterfinals and though geography will be the "final factor", efforts will be made to use RPI to have as much true seeding as possible. The semifinals are reseeded this year, with the final 4 teams being matched up 1v4 and 2v3 by RPI.
Will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the next few weeks
Qualification/District Championships:
In cases of a 2-way tie for a district championship, head-to-head record is used and the loser goes back into the wildcard pool (as expected)
In cases of a 3-way tie for a district championship where all 3 teams are 1-1 against eachother, the team with the highest RPI will be considered the true "district champion", but the other two teams will also be automatic qualifiers. Unless...
Say there are 4 3-way ties across Class A. This would leave us with 10 true district champions but 8 potential automatically qualifying co-champs (18 qualifiers for 16 spots). If this is the case, all 8 co-champs are ranked by RPI and the top 6 are advanced as playoff qualifiers.
Host Sites:
Essentially, the district champions (including determined winners of 3-way ties) are ranked by RPI and the top 8 all get to host the first round. The state is going to avoid matching up district champs with runner ups, but champs can be matched with 3rd place teams from the same district if need be.
Brackets are preset through the quarterfinals and though geography will be the "final factor", efforts will be made to use RPI to have as much true seeding as possible. The semifinals are reseeded this year, with the final 4 teams being matched up 1v4 and 2v3 by RPI.
Will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the next few weeks
So glad that 2 way ties for the district championship are being handled this way. The state actually nailed this lol surprising.
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