Playoff History.

[franky1967]

Im not going to list all the changes that has happened through out the years, but I will point out the one change that had a major impact to the Western side's Success since 2000. How it compares to the Playoff Pairings listed now.

After the 1999 State Championship game where Iowa City West beat Cedar Falls. The State decided to change to the East/West split.

They did this because:

1) The Western teams complained that they were not always represented in the Title Game.

2) From 1986-2000 the Westetn side of the State won only a handful of State Titles.

Looking at the Pairings last night I can see them maybe changing something up as only 6 teams from the Eastern side of the State made it in.

That and the possibility that years could go by Where you have a all Eastern or Western Finals.

Now I like what they did this year, it does not appear they will be doing any reseading in any rounds. The brackets will be played out. Which was shocking to see.

I wonder if they would have stuck to it if any of the SC/CB schools would have made it in. I think somewhere down the road you will see the State go to 8 Districts. 4 on each side of the state.

 

[B-K_Teach]

They reseed after the the first two rounds. Note how none of the 4 brackets lead to each other. The four highest RPI remaining will get seeding 1.2.3.4 respectively. This likely means #1 RPI Centennial gets "penalized" and will meet #7 RPI Dowling in the semis at the dome. Centennial would have been served well to have blown their last game and been able to avoid Dowling until the state finals.

 

[franky1967]

Reseeding in the Final Round does not make any sense to me anyways they are already ranked/seeded.

Im not sure you can say Cent. Gets penalized by maybe having to play Dowling.
Im not sure why you would concede a game before it is played

 

[screwloose]

To me, it seems unlikely the state goes back up to 48 teams in 4A. With that, the chances are even more unlikely they ever go back to eight districts. If they do go to eight districts, it would be accompanied by a drop from 42 to 40 teams. This would mean five-team districts, an odd number, meaning one team would be playing a non-district game inside of the final five weeks when district play would be happening.

As much as it seems the West complained in the early 2000s, it seems like many of the fans of East teams are complaining since the ascension of the Polk County suburban schools. Continually bringing it up, true or not, sounds very DemoCRAPic and RepubliTURDan. It's very unbecoming and disheartening.

 

[franky1967]

Well they played with uneven districts before, they can certainly do it again. The fact is, the West only won a few State Championships before the 2000 season.

None were ever produced by the Des Moines Schools. Now if you can tell me why they went to the 8/8 split other what I stated, I will certainly listen to you.

I think they should at least stay with the 8/8 split as it was a good way to keep balance in the state. So then you could keep districd the same.

Im sorry if you think this is political, I thought this was the one place a person could come and avoid all of that.

 

[franky1967]

To me, it seems unlikely the state goes back up to 48 teams in 4A. With that, the chances are even more unlikely they ever go back to eight districts. If they do go to eight districts, it would be accompanied by a drop from 42 to 40 teams. This would mean five-team districts, an odd number, meaning one team would be playing a non-district game inside of the final five weeks when district play would be happening.

As much as it seems the West complained in the early 2000s, it seems like many of the fans of East teams are complaining since the ascension of the Polk County suburban schools. Continually bringing it up, true or not, sounds very DemoCRAPic and RepubliTURDan. It's very unbecoming and disheartening.

I have never complained of the Success of the West since 2000. However I can tell you the 8/8 split had alot to fo with it. Now if the East cant beat them in the Title game, then they got outplayed and outcoached.

 

[CF_93]

I wouldn't even go so far as saying the west, or even central Iowa. Just the city of West Des Moines, and the one or two from Ankeny sprinkled in there. The eastern dominance from 1972 to 1999 was much more evenly distributed.

 

[franky1967]

I wouldn't even go so far as saying the west, or even central Iowa. Just the city of West Des Moines, and the one or two from Ankeny sprinkled in there. The eastern dominance from 1972 to 1999 was much more evenly distributed.

Their were only s few schools from around Des Moines that won a state championship.
Thr other championships came from the SC Schools.

 

[screwloose]

Never said it was political, said it SOUNDED like something that was political. As far as to why they went to an 8/8 split, I don't care. I never bring it up. They could play with an uneven number of teams in a district, but the coaches have made it more clear that they hate playing non-district games towards the end of the season than anything else.

 

[franky1967]

Never said it was political, said it SOUNDED like something that was political. As far as to why they went to an 8/8 split, I don't care. I never bring it up. They could play with an uneven number of teams in a district, but the coaches have made it more clear that they hate playing non-district games towards the end of the season than anything else.

I pointed out simply why is the Athletic Association going back to perhaps what coul be a all Eastern or Western Finals for years to come. When in 2000 they created a 8/8 Split to stop that from happening.

Since I did bring it up and you do not care. Then dont respond to it. Do not read it. Certainly dont say its very disheartening/ unbecoming on my part for posting a subject.

 

[Reasoned]

Well, if you look at the enrollment figures used by the IAHSAA as it pertains to the 42 largest schools, it appx. breaks 4/7ths "west" (roughly translated as DM westward) vs 3/7ths east (DM eastward). So 6 out of 16 teams in PO's being from "the east" isn't all that far off (if you use the proportions of total schools eligible not accounting for anything else). In fact, if you used the 18-19 BED's and went back to 48 teams in 4A, 5 of the 6 teams added back would be from the "east", which gets you real close to 50/50. Which brings us to the real concern going forward, with the apparent declining enrollment hitting the east harder than the west (DM metro specifically), we could begin to see significant enrollment disparities as it relates to geographic location.

 

[screwloose]

I pointed out simply why is the Athletic Association going back to perhaps what coul be a all Eastern or Western Finals for years to come. When in 2000 they created a 8/8 Split to stop that from happening.

Since I did bring it up and you do not care. Then dont respond to it. Do not read it. Certainly dont say its very disheartening/ unbecoming on my part for posting a subject.

Yawn.

You're right, I don't care whether it's 8/8 or one-sided.You telling me to not respond to it is no better or different than me telling you to quit crying about it. You've been sobbing like an old broad.

 

[franky1967]

Yawn.

You're right, I don't care whether it's 8/8 or one-sided.You telling me to not respond to it is no better or different than me telling you to quit crying about it. You've been sobbing like an old broad.

I use to really respect you. I thought you were pretty crafty with your numbers and you were pretty fair when it came to all subjects.

It turns out I have fogotten more than you will ever know about Iowa High School football and its history.

You turned a simple rational post about trying to understand the reasoning behind why the Iowa Athletic Assocation is going back to a formatt that it tried to avoid years ago. To something that does not make any sense as I reread your comments.

So keep telling yourself that you are #1 in your mind and Heart. I wont respond to you and dont respond to me.

I was simply looking for input and you turned it into a drama about yourself

 

[franky1967]

Well, if you look at the enrollment figures used by the IAHSAA as it pertains to the 42 largest schools, it appx. breaks 4/7ths "west" (roughly translated as DM westward) vs 3/7ths east (DM eastward). So 6 out of 16 teams in PO's being from "the east" isn't all that far off (if you use the proportions of total schools eligible not accounting for anything else). In fact, if you used the 18-19 BED's and went back to 48 teams in 4A, 5 of the 6 teams added back would be from the "east", which gets you real close to 50/50. Which brings us to the real concern going forward, with the apparent declining enrollment hitting the east harder than the west (DM metro specifically), we could begin to see significant enrollment disparities as it relates to geographic location.

Now that is a real good explanation, thanks for reasoning and backing it up with numbers and logic.

 

[screwloose]

franky, you probably are right, you probably have forgotten more than I know about high school football. I've never had an issue with you other than this horse you've beaten about six thousand times. I'm not the high school fan you are, never would have said otherwise.

I'm a numbers guy. And if I still wanted to dedicate the time to doing the old Number Cruncher, the 4A Power Ratings, maybe you'd still respect me. As it stands, I've taken my power ranking system, that I used here for years, and adapted it to the FCS level of college football. But compiling the FCS Top 25, the power ranking, FCS Bracketology and an article about it every week, is too time consuming and mentally exhausting to do 4A also.

If you, or anybody else, want to see my work, I'd take extra eyes on it. I'll link it below.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/16702

Like you, I'm done with this subject.

 

[franky1967]

franky, you probably are right, you probably have forgotten more than I know about high school football. I've never had an issue with you other than this horse you've beaten about six thousand times. I'm not the high school fan you are, never would have said otherwise.

I'm a numbers guy. And if I still wanted to dedicate the time to doing the old Number Cruncher, the 4A Power Ratings, maybe you'd still respect me. As it stands, I've taken my power ranking system, that I used here for years, and adapted it to the FCS level of college football. But compiling the FCS Top 25, the power ranking, FCS Bracketology and an article about it every week, is too time consuming and mentally exhausting to do 4A also.

If you, or anybody else, want to see my work, I'd take at my work...cool. I'll link it below.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/16702

Like you, I'm done with this subject.

Amen and good luck to you in all you do