Pella vs the field
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Several big games the next two weeks might help clarify. At this point there are many "pretty good" football teams, and many of these go head-to-head. Some schedules have been very soft, so it is hard to know their quality.
Oh, I take the field. 1. I think Xavier is a better team. 2. Too many good teams that have a reasonable chance of beating Pella on any given night. 3. We are talking about 17 year old man/boys. Jill might dump Jack before the big game. Steve might be jealous of John. Lots of things can go wrong.
Certainly very valid points. There are several teams that can win it. Soooo many variables that go into it. Who gets hurt. How the teams match up and the weather conditions on those nights. Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out. I will still go with Pella until somebody shows that they can stay with them. But, again, an unfortunate injury here or there can be devastating to a given team's chances. As long as Clayberg is healthy and playing, will be hard to pick against Pella.
I agree with everything you said here but I didn't post it before the season but I didn't think this would happen for Pella again when watching Last years SR. class in the dome I had my doubts about this year.That class was good but Pella did reload that's for sure.
Clayberg is the best HS player in 3a no doubt.He has that it factor that you just can't teach.
Field. Gotta play the games and correct me if I am wrong but baseball was supposed to walk through and Harlan showed up.
On clayberg being best player on 3a. Oh big doubt....I love when people say things like this. There are good players in the entire state at 3a. He has a great supporting cast and that helps. There are a few kids not on an outstanding team that have a claim to that also. He is good but I have seen much better this year.
On clayberg being best player on 3a. Oh big doubt....I love when people say things like this. There are good players in the entire state at 3a. He has a great supporting cast and that helps. There are a few kids not on an outstanding team that have a claim to that also. He is good but I have seen much better this year.
No, baseball was not supposed to be a walk through. Pella hadn't made it to the baseball state tournament in about 20 years and is generally not that strong of a team. They had a surprisingly good team this year and it was fun to watch. Just making the state tournament was a big accomplishment for the Pella program. This was the first conference title they had ever won in baseball, if I'm not mistaken.
Well, oonfoofoo, if you have seen much better players then Clayberg this year then you must have seen players that I haven't seen, which is possible, or you haven't really watched him play. Clayberg is a D1 player whom high level D1 programs are still evaluating as they are taking a wait and see attitude since he had surgery on a broken foot in the off season. He doesn't even play half of most games. He got pulled with 8:00 left in the second quarter last week and that isn't unusual. I look forward to seeing what he will do in the playoffs when he gets to play more than 1/2 the game. He is a defensive coordinator's nightmare to scheme against. There are lots of good players in the state, so I'm not trying to diss anyone else at all, but to claim that you have seen "much better this year" is interesting to me.
Well, oonfoofoo, if you have seen much better players then Clayberg this year then you must have seen players that I haven't seen, which is possible, or you haven't really watched him play. Clayberg is a D1 player whom high level D1 programs are still evaluating as they are taking a wait and see attitude since he had surgery on a broken foot in the off season. He doesn't even play half of most games. He got pulled with 8:00 left in the second quarter last week and that isn't unusual. I look forward to seeing what he will do in the playoffs when he gets to play more than 1/2 the game. He is a defensive coordinator's nightmare to scheme against. There are lots of good players in the state, so I'm not trying to diss anyone else at all, but to claim that you have seen "much better this year" is interesting to me.
Well I did see the Norwalk game. I saw an excellent offensive line. I don't know the team, the kids, the program but I see 2 possible D2 or higher lineman there.I also saw another back besides him that coaches have to "scheme" against.
So let's put this in perspective...above average line and another back that can play and could also possibly be a college player...so does a team that is at this point far ahead of everyone with the skills that the entire team have warrant calling one player on that team the best in the state?
Well, there are many guys out there that are on teams will sub 200 lb lineman across the board, no supporting players and not the best program....they aren't possibly the best in the state?
High D1 players exist throughout the state. Low D1 players exists throughout the state...D2 guys exist in the state....what's your point. I think the kid could make a good safety so I don't think anyone even knows where he would play if he does.
BTW high D1 guys have offers right now and should have coming into their senior year.
Oh and in baseball they were by far the best team in the state by far. Coach from Harlan even stated that "if we play them 10 times we lose 9". Just happened to be their day.
So let's put this in perspective...above average line and another back that can play and could also possibly be a college player...so does a team that is at this point far ahead of everyone with the skills that the entire team have warrant calling one player on that team the best in the state?
Well, there are many guys out there that are on teams will sub 200 lb lineman across the board, no supporting players and not the best program....they aren't possibly the best in the state?
High D1 players exist throughout the state. Low D1 players exists throughout the state...D2 guys exist in the state....what's your point. I think the kid could make a good safety so I don't think anyone even knows where he would play if he does.
BTW high D1 guys have offers right now and should have coming into their senior year.
Oh and in baseball they were by far the best team in the state by far. Coach from Harlan even stated that "if we play them 10 times we lose 9". Just happened to be their day.
Bump this above 'prowler sled'. It is an interesting discussion on 'best' have seen both ways. A kid on a very good team may not get the credit they deserve based on supporting cast and I have seen some very good players get run over because their team wasn't as solid. Keep the debate going.
Well, we are certainly free to disagree. I think he's a better player then you do and that is fine to differ on that.
Apparently with your reasoning then Ryan Boyle from Dowling wasn't as great of a player as everybody thought last year because he had a great supporting cast. He certainly shouldn't have been the player of the year then, with your reasoning. Didn't know that the player of the year should come from an average or below average team. Garrett Jansen was player of the year in 3A last year from Pella. He got a scholarship offer from Iowa after the season was over. Not sure if you got to see him play, but was a dominating lineman no matter who was lined up around him. Were those outstanding Harlan players in the past not as good because they had great teams?
Not sure you can throw out Clayberg's ability just because Henry is a good running back (D3 player at best) and the line is good. Pella does not have any lineman, by the way, who will be getting D2 looks or above. Pella's line is commonly outsized by the opponent, they try to utilize quickness. The whole team looks dramatically better because of Clayberg and that includes his play on defense. Projecting playoffs down the line, real chance that Harlan and Pella could face each other, as early as the 2nd round, which would be a great game. You'll get a better chance to see him in person then.
My point about high D1 players is that they are usually pretty good players. They may even be generally better then D2 recruits, I'm speculating.
Are Iowa and Iowa State still recruiting high school seniors right now? Are their incoming recruiting classes full? Seriously, no high school seniors in this country are still being recruited by D1 schools and maybe waiting for offers? Guys coming off injuries have to commonly prove themselves before offers come in. He won't end up at Alabama, but he will still get some high D1 offers.
Anyway, I hope that you get a chance to see him in person. It's no secret on this board that I am a Pella guy, but I do try to be as objective as I can in discussions, but I'm human. I appreciate your opinion and discussion, oonfoofoo.
Apparently with your reasoning then Ryan Boyle from Dowling wasn't as great of a player as everybody thought last year because he had a great supporting cast. He certainly shouldn't have been the player of the year then, with your reasoning. Didn't know that the player of the year should come from an average or below average team. Garrett Jansen was player of the year in 3A last year from Pella. He got a scholarship offer from Iowa after the season was over. Not sure if you got to see him play, but was a dominating lineman no matter who was lined up around him. Were those outstanding Harlan players in the past not as good because they had great teams?
Not sure you can throw out Clayberg's ability just because Henry is a good running back (D3 player at best) and the line is good. Pella does not have any lineman, by the way, who will be getting D2 looks or above. Pella's line is commonly outsized by the opponent, they try to utilize quickness. The whole team looks dramatically better because of Clayberg and that includes his play on defense. Projecting playoffs down the line, real chance that Harlan and Pella could face each other, as early as the 2nd round, which would be a great game. You'll get a better chance to see him in person then.
My point about high D1 players is that they are usually pretty good players. They may even be generally better then D2 recruits, I'm speculating.
Are Iowa and Iowa State still recruiting high school seniors right now? Are their incoming recruiting classes full? Seriously, no high school seniors in this country are still being recruited by D1 schools and maybe waiting for offers? Guys coming off injuries have to commonly prove themselves before offers come in. He won't end up at Alabama, but he will still get some high D1 offers.
Anyway, I hope that you get a chance to see him in person. It's no secret on this board that I am a Pella guy, but I do try to be as objective as I can in discussions, but I'm human. I appreciate your opinion and discussion, oonfoofoo.
I don't say that with any disrespect to Henry as he is a great back and a very talented young man, but I don't see him playing above that level. I certainly could be wrong, but that is my opinion.
I'm just wondering why you think Xavier is a better team? People thought this last year and I think Pella proved them wrong..
oonfoofoo, Who do you think is better than Clayberg or should I say which Harlan player do you think is better? There are some great players in class 3A but I would in my opinion rank Clayberg as one of the best. I have only seen some of the kids play in person in my area but I would put Clayberg, Schiltz, Kloewer, Bransfield, up there. The qb from Glenwood, Hardy from Adel, Schulte before he got hurt. After watching a kid like Kloewer over the past 4 years and Kramer before him and watching Clayberg the past two seasons I would take a player like Clayberg and Kloewer just because of their versatility. The list can go on and on but these young men would rank up there. I think it would be hard to say Clayberg isn't one of if not the best player in the state let along 3A
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Interesting Topic. I totally agree with this, cid. I also agree that what makes "good" teams "good" is that they have a healthy combination of athletic ability, good coaching, a solid emotional base, and favorable circumstance. I have watched many average high school and college athletes who have become very solid, all-conference players by gaining strength, technique, and buying into what a good coach is preaching. No great team succeeds without quality players.
I played in college with guys who were statistical giants in high school, but turned out to be decidedly unable at the next level. When their "scheme" was removed, when their teammates were removed, when their mojo was removed, and all that was left was raw play-making ability, sometimes they were not-so-special afterall. It is a difficult guessing game for anybody to know and project what will happen next. College coaches fail and succeed based, in part, on their ability to determine these things -- everybody knows that.
So, we play the games, and we learn things about teams and their players. We learned things about both Xavier and Regina. Measured over time, we always, always find out what's more true as opposed to not. For the time being, opinions are all we have. The more facts we have, the more confident that our opinions are "true".
Clayberg has started since a freshman. Not many can say that, especially within a program as successful over time as Pella has proven to be. He took his first snap at QB as a sophomore, and to date is now 32-1 as a starter. He has a stake in a state championship. Anybody who watches him play will attest that he makes remarkable plays, game after game. And any coach who plays against Pella also know when he leaves the game, which is almost always well before halftime. Look at Pella's stats in their blow out games. In 5 games this year, he has carried the ball a grand total of 22 times. Against Saydel, two carries for 21 yards. To me, this confirms that Pella must be pretty good at many positions to continue to dominate in his absence. Pella lost a D1 commit to Iowa. And they are still rolling.
Is he the best player in 3A or Iowa? Hard to know. But he's been pretty successful, and most objective viewers would agree that he is a special player. I would rather have him on my team than to try to stop him.
He has received an offer from South Dakota State. Other school's that have shown interest are Western Illinois, Iowa, Iowa State, UNI, NDSU, Northwest Missouri State and others.
Xavier is not a better team, seen both play (and in last year's dome) - xavier is not better than last year and Pella is as good as last year.
Thanks TLCBF, I wonder how many schools would keep him at QB.. I feel like Iowa would try to make a safety out of him but I would love to see him play for the Hawks.
I will take Pella against the field. Xavier has a shot but not sure many others give them a game!
I think the prevailing thought is that he is being recruited as an "athlete" which leaves the door open; but I would be surprised if he plays QB. My guess is he will end up as a DB. Although he would be a dynamic RB/slot type player in the right offense.
From the limited times I've seen Pella play and from some of film I've seen, it looks like Clayberg is playing as a LB. Is that fair to say? Or perhaps maybe the better question is what kind of defense do they run, one where they have a lot of DBs on the field at the same time?
La_Fleur, he actually does play LB majority of the time. Pella plays a 3-4-4 defense where the LB's really move around. The bigger LB's will actually play almost a DE position at times and sometimes a LB will almost play a DB type position depending on the opponent. Clayberg is versatile enough that he can play about anywhere behind the line on D. He isn't big enough to be a LB at the next level. Austin Schulte, who played LB for Pella before the ACL injury, is actually recruited to be a DE for Iowa, so Pella likes to put athletic guys at LB no matter their size.
Last night was the first time that I had the opportunity to see Pella play in person. LEGIT!!
The Clayberg kid is the real deal. Blocked a punt, made key tackles on D, ran the show on O. Compete football player.
Is there any reason to think that Pella could get about 4-5 yards whenever they need to?
How big is Pella up front? Was hard to tell by watching on TV...
The Clayberg kid is the real deal. Blocked a punt, made key tackles on D, ran the show on O. Compete football player.
Is there any reason to think that Pella could get about 4-5 yards whenever they need to?
How big is Pella up front? Was hard to tell by watching on TV...
Pella could have used Schulte's bulk and mobility last night, that's for sure! Respect for West Delaware's O-line!
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