I was looking over in the 1a thread today and someone posed the question "is pella christian the best team in pella" Im sure this had something to do with the point differentials of pella- solon, solon-regina, and pella christian- regina. Am I the only one that thinks this is ridiculous?
Pella vs Pella Christian
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Ya you're probably right I'm just amazed how Pella and Solon just keep putting D1 talent on the field
That he would THINK that? Could be, the last 7 has been 6-1 Regina with Solons win being a 1 point OT victory with Regina winning fairly handily in the other 6.
Pella Christian had an amazing season and should have been playing Regina in the dome, but the boys in Boone obviously don't want the best 4 teams in the state playing in the dome. Pella and Xavier playing in the semis make no sense either. When Pella Christian has won a couple of state titles, then maybe its a topic, but not now. Pella would beat them soundly.
I've been watching Regina and Xavier play for well over a decade and they're very similar with their philosophy of having an offensive system. (I promise I'll get back to the original post)
Xavier runs the I-Formation over and over and is very good at it. I love that kind of football. Regina runs two or three run plays tops and they all build off of their exceptional zone blocking. It is a credit to those coaches for the system and those players for being so coachable. It's honestly very impressive, and this post could never do my amazement justice. I will say, I'm probably more impressed with Regina due to the fact that you can't organically build a spread system from elementary school through high school because like Xavier can with their I-Formation system. Regina gets outstanding production in only a couple of years with the high school staff.
So what is the advantage? Well, Week 1 offensive productivity is not too far from Week 9 for these system teams. Sure, there are definitely strides made and tweaks here and there, but it's not anything that goes away from the system that has been implemented since the kids started playing football. I'm also not implying that they are stagnant and don't get better, I'm saying that they are light years ahead of teams that might not be sure of what they have for players or want to do. For good coaching staffs with top athletes, it's ignorant to think they won't reach the production of Xavier and Regina later in the year IF they figure out what best suits them and begin to get better at it. I'd take 11 teenage kids with confidence and certainty in a plan over any 11 teenage kids without one. But give me those 11 without a plan in week 1 or 2 and let me see them in week 8 or 9.
I've made it to every Regina/Xavier/Solon game where 2 of the 3 have played one another and Solon always looks to be unsure on offense when they play Regina. Much less crisp than Regina and Xavier ever look early on - just look at Regina and Xavier this year, it was the exact same looking game as the one from Week 7 or 8 a year before. When Solon played Xavier last year it went down to the wire because it was a little further down the schedule and Solon seemed more sure of what they're doing. All three of those teams have great defense no matter what, but a disfunctional offense can hurt a defense as much as the other team's offense.
I'm not trying to talk negatively of Regina, Solon or Xavier. To do that would be stupid. These are great kids, great communities and great football programs. My opinion is my opinion, like you said CID, and I can't go so far as to say yours is wrong because I don't know for sure.
To make what simple? Please don't claim that what you said is the simplified version of my previous post because it's not even close. I disagree with what you said. Even if Regina didn't have a game Week 1 they would have beat Solon.
Good analysis. Hinkle would probably disagree on the 2-3 run play number . I don't think when Solon and Regina play would have a significant impact. The matchup just hasn't been good for Solon. They have grown their system and been very successful with it. If they struggled mightily early in the year consistently I could see that but they don't. It's a great rivalry but it has tilted one way lately.
Hinkle would agree with me that they block Zone, Counter and Power. The player carrying the football may vary depending on the personnel (mainly 10 or 20) or if a defender is being read by the quarterback, but that's irrelevant. Still only 2-3 run plays blocked by the line and most of their passes are screens and quick throws off of those run plays. Very simple and very smart high school offense.
I saw Solon go from 5 wide to 3x1 to 2x1 in one quarter last season when they played Regina. That shows that they didn't know what they wanted to do... It's as simple as that. Quik Stats just told me that Solon had 7 turnovers and I witnessed an unstructured offense that was almost funny to watch, and I believe Solon still only lost by less than double digits. I also see that Solon's seasons stats show that the QB and RB with the most snaps in that game both ended up being the 2nd and 3rd overall for those categories on the season. What a waste of my time just to prove a point on something that I can't understand people not thinking makes sense. High school teams make major strides and changes week to week.
You might know more about Regina, Solon and Xavier but I can promise you I know more about football. I'll be there to watch Regina in the semifinal and if you'd like to sit by me for one quarter I can show you what the average fan doesn't see. I just watched Pella play Solon and to think either Pella or Solon would lose to Regina or PC right now is beyond comical. Of course, I watch objectively and I don't have an extreme bias, so this will be another post drowned out by fans.
I saw Solon go from 5 wide to 3x1 to 2x1 in one quarter last season when they played Regina. That shows that they didn't know what they wanted to do... It's as simple as that. Quik Stats just told me that Solon had 7 turnovers and I witnessed an unstructured offense that was almost funny to watch, and I believe Solon still only lost by less than double digits. I also see that Solon's seasons stats show that the QB and RB with the most snaps in that game both ended up being the 2nd and 3rd overall for those categories on the season. What a waste of my time just to prove a point on something that I can't understand people not thinking makes sense. High school teams make major strides and changes week to week.
You might know more about Regina, Solon and Xavier but I can promise you I know more about football. I'll be there to watch Regina in the semifinal and if you'd like to sit by me for one quarter I can show you what the average fan doesn't see. I just watched Pella play Solon and to think either Pella or Solon would lose to Regina or PC right now is beyond comical. Of course, I watch objectively and I don't have an extreme bias, so this will be another post drowned out by fans.
I bow down to your football knowledge. So 3 blocking schemes equals 2-3 plays, got it. I may have a small amount of football knowledge and a small amount of familiarity with Regina and have watched their changes through the years. If I use your logic they probably only have two pass plays screen and pass pro. If it is such a simple offense I am surprised it works as well as it does. Sorry you had to waste your time proving your greatness to us. I guess I will just look to you to form an opinion. Better yet I will look for the group of coaches sitting around you Saturday with their notebooks out hanging on your every word.
Let's look at it from the Runnin' Regals' perspective.
RUN:
OL: Block Zone (A), Power (B), or Counter (C);
WR: Bubble or Stalk Block
RB: Get the ball or fake getting the ball.
QB: Read defender to either give run, keep to run, or keep to throw.
Everyone needs to know 2-3 things.
QUICK SCREEN:
OL: block A, B or C; Center and Backside Guard/Tackle block one or two steps of A, B, or C and then release backside to take the support player, alley player and force player.
WR: bubble, look now for the ball, or run any sort of middle or alley screen
RB: fake run
QB: fake run give and throw quick screen
2-3 responsibilities per position
VERTICAL PASS
OL: man on man blocking
WR: run any combination of routes
RB: block DE or block uncovered gap
QB: drop back and throw
2-3 responsibilities per position
SPRINT PASS
OL: block frontside gap to backside gap
WR: run any combination of routes
RB: block play side DE
QB: sprint play side and throw
2-3 responsibilities per position
VERTICAL PASS SCREENS
OL: man on man pass pro then release to 2nd level
WR: run off defender or block for screen
RB: fake run block and receive screen
QB: fake drop back and dump to RB
1-2 responsibilities per position
Now think about that from a defensive perspective and you'll see why you're wrong in thinking I'm underselling what Regina does. 2-3 responsibilities for each position group on Regina's offense can be mixed and matched in many different ways that presents 20-30 possible looks to a defense; especially when you change personnel by adding a running back, slot, etc. Instead of assuming good teams must have a bunch of schemes and plays, appreciate the fact that your favorite team's offense IS simple and that is exactly the beauty of it... Simplicity for Regina doesn't mean simplicity for their opponent and simplicity for Regina means they get very good at a couple of things. Think of it like an efficient factory with a couple groups, each specializing in one thing and being very good at it. When you put those things together it creates a very good product with each component being great. On the other end of that you could have a couple of groups, each specializing in nothing and trying to do a bunch of things. When you put that together you simply have a product - one without any great components.
I told you that I think it's incredible and very smart. You just choose to ignore that and take offense to my opinion on a hypothetical game that I think your team wouldn't win.
I can appreciate your mockery, it's all in good fun to me. In no way am I taking anything away from Regina. How could I take away from that kind of success? You'll find morons on here that have no clue, trying to say Regina is no good. That's not what I'm doing... I'm also not telling you to listen to me or anyone else when you form your opinions, but don't be like the morons that spout off opinions based on what colors they support and then think those colors give them the power to tell other people that their opinions are wrong. I never told you your opinion was wrong, and I never said that my opinion was absolutely right.
Great offenses have tendencies because they execute those tendencies at an extremely high level. Hinkel does a fantastic job with their offense. Great post describing it
Regina gave CR Xavier their best game of the season...still to this point as we head into the Dome.. No 3A team has come closer to beating Xavier that Regina did.
So, after Xavier and Pella play, we should be able to make a better guess how a Pella and Pella Christian game might have gone.
It's a game I would have gladly paid to watch...
So, after Xavier and Pella play, we should be able to make a better guess how a Pella and Pella Christian game might have gone.
It's a game I would have gladly paid to watch...
What the heck does CRX /Regina game the 1st game of the year have to do with Pella CRX game. My gosh some fan bases will dig up anything for attention.
Everyone is a whole lot more equal the first game of the year especially if the coaches are doing what they should be doing during an early non district game. This Regina crap is getting old.
Feel free to tell bigfridaynite not to bring them into the thread and they probably won't get brought into the discussion as much. While you are at it start some threads that people will respond to. Currently the traffic is being driven by people that like to discredit Regina and people that support Regina. I can't say with 100% certainty but I don't think I chime in very often until someone makes a reference to Regina.
This is where the Message Board go haywire. Regina nor PC could beat Pella. We have to take time away from analyzing/enjoying the game between Regina/PC to state something ridiculous. Neither one of them could come within 2 TDs. Just stop with the nonsense.
If you use the transitive property they could. The reality is over the course of a season PC/Regina couldn't withstand that schedule. That being said in a one game situation 2 TD's is a pretty big spread. Regina has shown an ability to hang with some of the better teams in 3A. Are using the blanket statement or just for this year? I also watched the Regina lines take it to a 4A semifinal team fairly soundly in a scrimmage. As far it being ridiculous your statement may not have enough to back it up.
Regina allowed 43 points to a PC Offense that literally has 2 guys that can hurt you, what would a Pella offense with Finney, Vierson, Van Zee, Holterhaus, Van Wyk, and Pringle do to that D? Is this still even a discussion? It's okay to be the best at 1A, kudos, but because you have a great tradition, doesn't mean you just get to make statements that are utterly laughable. Be the best in 1A and leave it there.
So playing a team to the wire that Pella beat with a miraculous finish gets no props huh? You said two touchdowns, I didn't say beat, keeping it within two touchdowns is quite possible. Your two touchdown spread is probably a little more laughable.
Lets use your Transitive Property. I'm guessing you are now just speaking that Regina could keep it within 2 TDs, PC is no longer in the discussion. So...Regina loses to Xavier by 9 (I think that's right), so two possessions (I'm sure it was close all night), yet Pella beats Xavier by 5 (add the extra point, FG Kicker was perfect all night on XP's and can't fault them for scoring at the end of the game)...so does the Transitive Property tell us that Pella would beat Regina by 13-14? The Transitive Property in sports is utterly laughable.
Am I understanding the Transitive Property right though, Xavier beats Regina by 9 and Pella beats Xavier by 4, so Pella would beat Regina by 13? Math is fun.
Just as laughable that a 1A team could contend with a 3A team on a 40 game winning streak. Who's next? Alabama?
Hmm....who does have that consecutive game winning streak in Iowa? Keep laughing.
I'm still lost....now I don't know where this conversation is going. You believe Regina (because of the Transitive Property) could hang with Pella. I laid out my definition of what I believe is the Transitive Property and that would still lead me to believe that Pella would beat them by 13-14 points, which is what I stated earlier (2 TDs). I was asking if my interpretation of the Transitive Property was correct, is it? Or are there more variables I am leaving out? Hats off to Regina for all but wrapping up their 6th or 7th consecutive state title. Just don't think because of your success at 1A that you can hang with a powerhouse in 3A.
We will agree to disagree on this. Yes, I do believe Regina could hang with Pella, similar to last nights game the Regina-Xavier game was a one score game in the last minute of the game. And seeing that Xavier was leading last night until the final play it isn't inconceivable that Regina could hang with the juggernaut that is Pella. It isn't like Pella crushed Xavier, they were fortunate to win that game. But that is what great teams do during streaks like this. Being in the Cedar Rapids area I have been touting Pella and picked them over Xavier, I was actually surprised the game was as close as it was.
Regina has done this before, so it's not that laughable. The reality is nobody here really knows for sure what would happen if Regina or PC played Pella. Regina dominated Solon this year physically and on the scoreboard, a team that Pella beat by a few TD's. Regina hung within 2 points against CRX on the road deep into the 4th quarter and had a chance to win (against a team that Pella beat at the last second). Pella has stud receivers. Regina has probably the physically strongest set of lineman in the state. Nobody here knows for sure what would happen if they played, but claiming Pella would surely win by 2+ TD's is an overstatement to say the least.
I'm not sure what's hilarious about the facts I presented, but ok haha. And bigfridaynight if Regina is a solid 1A team in Iowa and nothing more, I'm not sure what that says about the top tier 3A team/teams Regina beats every year, appearantly 3A must be pretty terrible
If you've ever been in the Regina weight room you'd know what I'm talking about. Benchpressing 300+ lbs is basically a prerequisite to start on the Regina O-line. They routinely have players putting up more weight than starters on the U of Iowa O-line. Good luck finding any 4A team in Iowa besides maybe Dowling and Valley that can match these stats.
You have no idea what would happen in Nov.in the dome.As it stands Regina is playing for a 1a trophy.
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