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Hey Terrehawk I absolutely agree with a lot of stuff you said in your above post. You are absolutely correct about the stats in the GR and West Marshall game. GR did only have two hits (West Marshall only had one hit but got credit for two). Its an absolute shame that six hits were recorded but a young high school kid who can not participate in sports due to a disability does the stats because it is his life-long dream to be associated with high school athletics. Please don't hate on a kid for having a dream and who is less fortunate than you. However, the coach should look over the stats and make corrections but that requires time and work, so don't bet on that happening if you get what I am saying. And you are absolutely right about the 3 earned runs, they were all earned, another mistake.
Two things I do have an issue with you saying are:
1) GR having inflated stats in the past.
GR has been in the top 3 in the NICL West ever since they joined it in 2004. They have been 1st or 2nd since 2007 so they must have been doing something right during that time to win that many games and conference titles and honors. Thats how it should go. The teams that win should get the most honors. So I didn't get your logic there.
2) Commenting on the 3rd basemans error.
When he drops a throw that comes from another infielder it is an error. No questions asked.
Also letting a ball go right between your legs in the outfield is an error
Terre Hawk, my issues aren't with you, they are with the Mustangs.
God Bless
Two things I do have an issue with you saying are:
1) GR having inflated stats in the past.
GR has been in the top 3 in the NICL West ever since they joined it in 2004. They have been 1st or 2nd since 2007 so they must have been doing something right during that time to win that many games and conference titles and honors. Thats how it should go. The teams that win should get the most honors. So I didn't get your logic there.
2) Commenting on the 3rd basemans error.
When he drops a throw that comes from another infielder it is an error. No questions asked.
Also letting a ball go right between your legs in the outfield is an error
Terre Hawk, my issues aren't with you, they are with the Mustangs.
God Bless
One last thing regarding this. Coaches, fans, and announcers like me know who the good players are in the league. Stats don't mean anything. It all comes down to wins and losses. Thats all that should matter. We've won a lot in the past and thats what I remember. I do not remember stats. Some on here seem to have their priorities mixed up. I'm sure your program Terre Hawk would have rather beat PCM in basketball to make it to state instead of having all-state honors or won the state title in football instead of the honors, but you came up short disappointing many. You guys will remember that disappointment the rest of your lives, not stats.
That is all.
God Bless
That is all.
God Bless
TerreHawk do not lie. WM had one hit down the 3rd base line that scored the runs, it was not a line drive but a ground ball. There was no other hit. So to say there were two line drives is blasphemy. No clue what you are talking about when you say we shouldn't keep score. As Herm Edwards says "You play to win the game."
Keep it real and God Bless
Keep it real and God Bless
More padding of stats for GR. in the EM game there were 3 hits given by the GR stats folks. There was only one hit! Jacob Smoldt reached because our SS threw the ball in the dirt to first base. Easy error. Austyn Smith reached because our 3B threw the ball in the dirt to first base. Easy error. Flat simple bad throws. Errors. Not hits. Jordan Rickert did actually reach on a hit.
Come on GR.
Incidentally, Billerbeck has 2 earned runs on quickstats in that game. These are your own stats. Shocking! Argue it some more lil.
Come on GR.
Incidentally, Billerbeck has 2 earned runs on quickstats in that game. These are your own stats. Shocking! Argue it some more lil.
Arrrrrrgh!!! I JUST got home from the game last night with WM @ Grundy. At least it feels like it.
It was actually almost midnight when we got home. Both teams had their struggles throwing strikes at times which contributed to the game length but the home plate umpire was so God awful that it was painful to watch. For both sides.
I'm sure his shoe box sized strike zone added an hour to the game. this shoe box did move around a wee bit when one called strike was actually a nice block by the catcher and a few others were scooped nicely as they were hitting the dirt. Outside of those, there were at least a dozen balls called on pitches that the catcher didn't move his glove much if at all. The ump just didn't have a clue on the upper part of the strike zone. Ok, he didn't know the lower part of the strike zone either. And well, he really didn't see the inside corners either.....
Not to mention I saw a first in my many years at the park. He ejected a kid for throwing his bat after a called strike 3 and then was convinced not to eject the player after a brief conversation. Strike 2 was the blocked ball to which the batter showed his displeasure and received a chewing from the ump. Rightfully so. Strike 3 appeared to be a good call but was one of the few high strikes called all night. Very weird series of events.
I will add that I wouldn't have disagreed whatsoever with an ejection in this situation. Some were surprised the coach let him go back in.
Ok, rant time:
Why the heck are some of these people still officiating? I mean, at some point it's time to hang it up and simply realize that:
1) you just aren't good enough any longer
2) You never were good enough. which could be one reason they keep doing it, they don't actually know how bad they are.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there are people willing to officiate because, well, SOMEBODY has to do it, but wow. Unfortunately, I see it getting worse before it gets better. Younger guys just don't seem to be interested in doing it (or in many cases doing ANYTHING, which is another conversation in and of itself) So the old guys are hanging around because they keep getting called to do it.
I'm sure these 2 gentlemen are very nice people. There really isn't an answer that I can see to fixing this. I'm sure people have been complaining about officials forever and have always thought it is "worse than ever". I'm sure it probably hasn't changed all that much and never will.
The last thing I'll say is that while it was a pretty poor job of officiating at times, the home plate ump didn't seem to have a large ego like some of these guys have. both fan bases were vocally critical (I've seen much, much, much worse. Pretty calm actually last night) and he didn't react. He stayed professional. Which frankly, to me I'd rather have an ump calling a bad game and keep his ego out of it when criticized rather than some of these punks you see that decide they "aren't going to take crap from anyone" and feel they need to respond to the crowd or retaliate by shrinking the zone or making a call against the player/team. Those types are the worst. You tend to see them in basketball maybe more than other sports.
I realize it's not an easy job and some fans go overboard but general heckling that isn't personal or vulgar is part of the game and it would be nice to see more officials check their ego at the door. Yes, that's harder said than done.
Oh, yeah, WM won 8-5
This post was edited on 6/8 10:54 AM by terrehawk
It was actually almost midnight when we got home. Both teams had their struggles throwing strikes at times which contributed to the game length but the home plate umpire was so God awful that it was painful to watch. For both sides.
I'm sure his shoe box sized strike zone added an hour to the game. this shoe box did move around a wee bit when one called strike was actually a nice block by the catcher and a few others were scooped nicely as they were hitting the dirt. Outside of those, there were at least a dozen balls called on pitches that the catcher didn't move his glove much if at all. The ump just didn't have a clue on the upper part of the strike zone. Ok, he didn't know the lower part of the strike zone either. And well, he really didn't see the inside corners either.....
Not to mention I saw a first in my many years at the park. He ejected a kid for throwing his bat after a called strike 3 and then was convinced not to eject the player after a brief conversation. Strike 2 was the blocked ball to which the batter showed his displeasure and received a chewing from the ump. Rightfully so. Strike 3 appeared to be a good call but was one of the few high strikes called all night. Very weird series of events.
I will add that I wouldn't have disagreed whatsoever with an ejection in this situation. Some were surprised the coach let him go back in.
Ok, rant time:
Why the heck are some of these people still officiating? I mean, at some point it's time to hang it up and simply realize that:
1) you just aren't good enough any longer
2) You never were good enough. which could be one reason they keep doing it, they don't actually know how bad they are.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there are people willing to officiate because, well, SOMEBODY has to do it, but wow. Unfortunately, I see it getting worse before it gets better. Younger guys just don't seem to be interested in doing it (or in many cases doing ANYTHING, which is another conversation in and of itself) So the old guys are hanging around because they keep getting called to do it.
I'm sure these 2 gentlemen are very nice people. There really isn't an answer that I can see to fixing this. I'm sure people have been complaining about officials forever and have always thought it is "worse than ever". I'm sure it probably hasn't changed all that much and never will.
The last thing I'll say is that while it was a pretty poor job of officiating at times, the home plate ump didn't seem to have a large ego like some of these guys have. both fan bases were vocally critical (I've seen much, much, much worse. Pretty calm actually last night) and he didn't react. He stayed professional. Which frankly, to me I'd rather have an ump calling a bad game and keep his ego out of it when criticized rather than some of these punks you see that decide they "aren't going to take crap from anyone" and feel they need to respond to the crowd or retaliate by shrinking the zone or making a call against the player/team. Those types are the worst. You tend to see them in basketball maybe more than other sports.
I realize it's not an easy job and some fans go overboard but general heckling that isn't personal or vulgar is part of the game and it would be nice to see more officials check their ego at the door. Yes, that's harder said than done.
Oh, yeah, WM won 8-5
This post was edited on 6/8 10:54 AM by terrehawk
Current Standings (The Best I Could Do)
East Marshall 4-0 11-4
West Marshall 4-1 7-5
South Tama 3-1 5-4
BCLUW 3-2 7-6
Grundy Center 2-3 2-5
G-R 2-3 5-6
South Hardin 1-4 1-5
AGWSR 0-5 0-6
Monday's Games
East Marshall @ West Marshall
South Tama @ BCLUW
South Hardin @ G-R
Grundy @ AGWSR
Tuesday's Games
West Marshall @ South Tama
East Marshall @ Grundy
G-R @ BCLUW
AGWSR @ South Hardin
East Marshall 4-0 11-4
West Marshall 4-1 7-5
South Tama 3-1 5-4
BCLUW 3-2 7-6
Grundy Center 2-3 2-5
G-R 2-3 5-6
South Hardin 1-4 1-5
AGWSR 0-5 0-6
Monday's Games
East Marshall @ West Marshall
South Tama @ BCLUW
South Hardin @ G-R
Grundy @ AGWSR
Tuesday's Games
West Marshall @ South Tama
East Marshall @ Grundy
G-R @ BCLUW
AGWSR @ South Hardin
Statistical Leaders
Batting (Min 20 AB's)
Average:
Jared Riemenschneider West Marshall .600
Dakota Wolken East Marshall .560
Cole Thompson BCLUW .488
Brady Billerbeck G-R .478
Jacob Clark STC .478
Hits
Dakota Wolken East Marshall 28
Cole Thompson BCLUW 21
Robert Sharp BCLUW 18
John Bloom East Marshall 17
Extra Base Hits
John Bloom East Marshall 7
Josh Wilson East Marshall 5
Noah Bearden South Tama 5
Robert Sharp BCLUW 5
RBIs
John Bloom East Marshall 21
Robert Sharp BCLUW 18
Chad Dolphin BCLUW 17
Grant Koch South Tama 14
Pitching
ERA (10 innings min)
Cole Thompson 0.32 (21 2/3)
John Bloom 0.37 (19)
Jared Riemenschneider 0.70 (20)
Brady Billerbeck 1.00 (14)
Strike Outs
Dakota Wolken 32
John Bloom 27
Jared Riemenschneider 27
Ryan Rotgers AGWSR 21
Batting (Min 20 AB's)
Average:
Jared Riemenschneider West Marshall .600
Dakota Wolken East Marshall .560
Cole Thompson BCLUW .488
Brady Billerbeck G-R .478
Jacob Clark STC .478
Hits
Dakota Wolken East Marshall 28
Cole Thompson BCLUW 21
Robert Sharp BCLUW 18
John Bloom East Marshall 17
Extra Base Hits
John Bloom East Marshall 7
Josh Wilson East Marshall 5
Noah Bearden South Tama 5
Robert Sharp BCLUW 5
RBIs
John Bloom East Marshall 21
Robert Sharp BCLUW 18
Chad Dolphin BCLUW 17
Grant Koch South Tama 14
Pitching
ERA (10 innings min)
Cole Thompson 0.32 (21 2/3)
John Bloom 0.37 (19)
Jared Riemenschneider 0.70 (20)
Brady Billerbeck 1.00 (14)
Strike Outs
Dakota Wolken 32
John Bloom 27
Jared Riemenschneider 27
Ryan Rotgers AGWSR 21
I've seen both teams play twice. My guess is it will be the hard thrower from EM, Bloom, against the thumber from WM, Riemenschneider. Both tough to hit, neither team that impressive at the plate 1-9. Major dropoffs in the 2 lineups. Which team will make the crucial mistake? If someone has to go to the pen, EM has the advantage, IMO.
PNation, you have Dakota Wolken and John Bloom switched around on Strikeouts. John Bloom is the one with 32.
West Marshall 7
East Marshall 0
Wm played and pitched flawless. EM made several defensive mistakes.
Riemenschneider faced the minimum through 5. Gave up 2 hits on the night and hit a batter. Edited for typo
This post was edited on 6/11 9:33 PM by terrehawk
East Marshall 0
Wm played and pitched flawless. EM made several defensive mistakes.
Riemenschneider faced the minimum through 5. Gave up 2 hits on the night and hit a batter. Edited for typo
This post was edited on 6/11 9:33 PM by terrehawk
Conference Standings
5-1 West Marshall
4-1 East Marshall
4-1 South Tama
3-3 BCLUW
3-3 Gladbrook-Reinbeck
3-3 Grundy Center
1-5 South Hardin
0-6 AGWSR
Tuesday's Games
West Marshall @ South Tama
East Marshall @ Grundy
G-R @ BCLUW
AGWSR @ South Hardin
Thursday Games
West Marshall @ Gladbrook Reinbeck
Friday's Games
BCLUW @ S Hardin
S Tama @ Grundy Center
AGWSR @ E Marshall
This post was edited on 6/12 9:40 AM by terrehawk
5-1 West Marshall
4-1 East Marshall
4-1 South Tama
3-3 BCLUW
3-3 Gladbrook-Reinbeck
3-3 Grundy Center
1-5 South Hardin
0-6 AGWSR
Tuesday's Games
West Marshall @ South Tama
East Marshall @ Grundy
G-R @ BCLUW
AGWSR @ South Hardin
Thursday Games
West Marshall @ Gladbrook Reinbeck
Friday's Games
BCLUW @ S Hardin
S Tama @ Grundy Center
AGWSR @ E Marshall
This post was edited on 6/12 9:40 AM by terrehawk
South Hardin 3 AGWSR 2
G-R 6 BCLUW 5
Updated Standings
East Marshall 5-1
South Tama 5-1
West Marshall 5-2
Gladbrook Reinbeck 4-3
BCLUW 3-4
Grundy Center 3-4
South Hardin 2-5
AGWSR 0-7
1/2 way through (other than one rain makeup between STC and EM) I would say that 4 teams still have a legitimate shot at still taking the crown. It will be interesting to see what pitching match ups take place in the 2nd half.
G-R 6 BCLUW 5
Updated Standings
East Marshall 5-1
South Tama 5-1
West Marshall 5-2
Gladbrook Reinbeck 4-3
BCLUW 3-4
Grundy Center 3-4
South Hardin 2-5
AGWSR 0-7
1/2 way through (other than one rain makeup between STC and EM) I would say that 4 teams still have a legitimate shot at still taking the crown. It will be interesting to see what pitching match ups take place in the 2nd half.
I agree, that's rough on WM this week. As it turns out, because of the rainout, EM has their own issue next week. Double header with STC on Monday then G-R on Tuesday. South Hardin on Thursday after we run ourselves out of pitchers on Mon/Tue. I have no idea what pitchers we will use for each game there.
I would be shocked if G-R doesn't use Billerbeck against us on Tuesday.
I would be shocked if G-R doesn't use Billerbeck against us on Tuesday.
I see GR put stats in the computer. The paper says they had 3 hits on Tuesday. Quikstats says they had 8. The paper and Quikstats said BCL had 7 hits. How could there be such a discrepancy? I know the dad that I work with said that BCL had a ton of errors.
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