Dawgs are giving the Gators all they can handle. Oh, and fuct Carson Beck
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I am being totally honest when I say I was pulling hard for him to transfer after the first natty. Brock and MyHonkey made that ugly fcker
Have you ever met a Georgia fan?
The short clip looks bad...but I'd be interested to see the rest of the video. Context matters.
Hard for me to imagine what the hell justifies the guy laying on his back but the one standing, and this is just a hunch, but I'm guessing that he wouldn't let go of another person (someone he was fighting when cops arrived) after multiple commands to do so.
The longer videos will probably tell the tale and I'm sure there are many of them.
Spoken like a true police brutality apologist.
The second video is some criminal activity imo. Beating the guy in the face with handcuffs looks like assault with deadly weapon to me. He never made a threatening move toward the officers that I saw. I didn't see all of what happened but what I did see looked criminal to me.
First time seeing the second video (with the cuffs)...
You don't get to opt out of going to jail. There's not a debate. That occurs in court before a judge.
If it requires violence, so be it. And he absolutely chose the violent route by being passively resistant. We only have so many tools. The first ones we use are our words...verbal commands. After that it becomes increasingly more violent.
And again, what we don't see is why he was going to jail.
Ideally I wouldn't have had my cuffs in my hands. But until it's your job to take someone into custody and failure to do so is failing in your job, it's difficult for you to understand. Also failing to take said person into custody in a timely manner can lead to further and escalating violence and those are things we have to consider.
The other interesting point is more often than not, cops will give you an option to not go to jail if you cooperate. Maybe they would make him leave the game for his behavior, etc, but they often give an option. It’s usually preferable to jail if you play along
Why? Well taking someone to jail is more work. And in this case where force was used, more scrutiny. No cop wants that.
@BamaFan1137 nails it when he says save the debate for the judge. There isn’t such a thing as street court. You can always lawyer up afterwards if you think the cops are wrong.
BTW, I can't tell you how many times I've heard my arrestees complain, "if you had only asked one more time" or "if you had said this instead of that."
That's all bullshit of course. They acquiesced due to overwhelming force and now they have regrets and excuses. They never intended to comply and they were hoping to get their way through some kind of resistance...behavior they learned from their parent(s).
As cops we're already handicapped in situations of ongoing violence. We must come in calm and attempt to deescalate. That's a great way to get your shit rocked and then perhaps killed with your own gun. In my personal life, I will attempt to escape from a violent confrontation. But the first moment that I realize that it's not possible, I'm going to be as violent as I'm capable of being as quickly as humanly possible. Do that as a cop and you'll go to prison...hence the handicap.
That's all bullshit of course. They acquiesced due to overwhelming force and now they have regrets and excuses. They never intended to comply and they were hoping to get their way through some kind of resistance...behavior they learned from their parent(s).
As cops we're already handicapped in situations of ongoing violence. We must come in calm and attempt to deescalate. That's a great way to get your shit rocked and then perhaps killed with your own gun. In my personal life, I will attempt to escape from a violent confrontation. But the first moment that I realize that it's not possible, I'm going to be as violent as I'm capable of being as quickly as humanly possible. Do that as a cop and you'll go to prison...hence the handicap.
If the threshold hasn't been crossed, absolutely.
I can’t help but wonder if there was just a tiiiiny bit of liquid courage involved, just a hunch.
So its ok to beat a person in the face with handcuffs ? He had a radio and I'm sure he could have called backup he could have used pepper spray too but he went to beating with handcuffs. Had the guy made an aggressive move then its a different story .He was sitting down and was tazed.
Agreed. Looks like our Barney has traded in his doctorate of decency for a straight up thug cop indoctrination.
Sad and pathetic.
LOL, highlight where I said that.
So if a person just sits there and does nothing, it's a Mexican standoff?
He had backup. There were two officers there. Sometimes that's the best you get. Sometimes you don't even get that.
You're assuming he carries pepperspray. Most of us don't. Why? Because it's very unlikely that you will effectively pepper spray someone without spraying others...including yourself and now you have a whole new problem.
Back to your first question...
...yes, there are times where it would be. As I said originally...
Also, as I said originally, we're all making some snap judgements about a very short video that CLEARLY doesn't capture the entire event. There's absolutely a chance that the cop used appropriate force. There's a chance that he didn’t...and that was my point.
One more point as this comment raised my blood pressure a bit...
If a person is just "sitting down" and not complying with lawful orders, the cop is ABSOLUTELY expected to put hands on that person. In this case, more than once, the guy slapped their hands away, took an aggressive stance and/or twisted away to get free from contact.
So yea, he got fvcking tazed. And that was clearly appropriate. That is beyond doubt in this situation and frankly I'm surprised that anyone would disagree.
The better question is why are these people resisting?
If you are truly innocent, what does resisting arrest buy you?
Literal testimony from a guy I arrested and charged with Resisting Arrest on top of his other charges...
"I didn't resist...I just pulled away when he grabbed my hands."
I can't ever remember not agreeing with the police actions but this one I just can't agree with that. If I was on a jury deciding this case that officer would be in deep shit. My problem is beating him with hand cuffs. May as well had brass knuckles.
You haven't even seen what happened before the video, that led to the interaction, but your ready to hang? It's possible, and even probable, that there's more video that isn't out for public consumption. Apparently it doesn't matter???
The problem, at least as I see it, is that very few of us tell an accountant how they should be doing their job or a doctor, architect or masseuse but everyone thinks they know how cops should be doing theirs. Everyone is an expert.
It just never seems to occur to people that there are things that they don't know that they don't know. And with all due respect to you, your comments about the radio and backup, the guy "just sitting there" and the pepper spray reveal that you absolutely don't know.
And people wonder why no one wants to be a cop. It's a mystery.
Agree completely, which is why I began this conversation by saying...
What “context” would be needed for justifying LE to punch a man in the face repeatedly with handcuffs used as a weapon opening gashing wounds on his face?
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From the subject who was punched with the officer holding his cuffs in his hands...
"Remember I told you, I'm either going to kill a cop or not leave."
That came from the officers body cam, not the cellphone video.
www.firstcoastnews.com
We should hold law enforcement officers accountable when they violate the law. However, it is not reasonable to handicap them to a degree which further puts them at risk of injury or death because of societal pearl-clutching.
Most people get to move away from danger and that gives them a lot of options to avoid violence. Law enforcement are REQUIRED to move towards danger and that does in fact limit one's options to avoid violence and it obviously puts them in greater peril.
"Remember I told you, I'm either going to kill a cop or not leave."
That came from the officers body cam, not the cellphone video.
Here's what to know about the viral altercations between JSO officers, fans at Georgia-Florida game
Jacksonville Sheriff T.K. Waters played bodycam footage of the incident, providing the perspective of the officers involved.
www.firstcoastnews.com
We should hold law enforcement officers accountable when they violate the law. However, it is not reasonable to handicap them to a degree which further puts them at risk of injury or death because of societal pearl-clutching.
Most people get to move away from danger and that gives them a lot of options to avoid violence. Law enforcement are REQUIRED to move towards danger and that does in fact limit one's options to avoid violence and it obviously puts them in greater peril.
Also...
The subject who was punched repeatedly while he was standing on the steps grabbed the officer around the waist, tugging on his duty belt (that's where his gun is of course) and attempted to shove the officer back down the steps.
The guy who was prone on the steps had shoved one officer down the steps and bear hugged another one. That officer took him to the ground and punched him several times and that's when he stopped resisting and was taken into custody.
The subject who was punched repeatedly while he was standing on the steps grabbed the officer around the waist, tugging on his duty belt (that's where his gun is of course) and attempted to shove the officer back down the steps.
The guy who was prone on the steps had shoved one officer down the steps and bear hugged another one. That officer took him to the ground and punched him several times and that's when he stopped resisting and was taken into custody.
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