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To say that a fullback in Tighe's offense needs to be able to block equally as well as he runs is silly. Other than the iso there are very few plays in which the fullback blocks anybody. In any given game, I would say the fullback is designed to block someone maybe 5-10% of the time.

Peed is clearly not fully utilized. No way around that one. However, it is a staple for Gael teams to win despite mismanaged offensive scheming and game planning. Not saying Peed shouldn't be playing fullback for the Gaels (not saying he should either). But it is easy to see that the team would receive more marginal utility from him at the WR position. Another staple of Gael players: they (for the most part) put egos aside and play where they are told/most needed. It is admirable to some extent, but also mildly depressing when a talent gets misused. This is clearly not a phenomena that is unique to St. Edmond, but one that I have seen persist throughout my entire relationship with the school.
 
I wouldn't say Peed is being underutilized this season. He has four touchdowns on the year. People can complain about Tighe's offense all they want. He's not going to change his game plan just to suit one player. Peed is far from the only talented player that offense has.TJ is one of the best running backs in the state for 1a. Faiferlick is a very solid player as wellas flattery. Before Tighe went to St Edmond the school won something like less than 10 games in five seasons. I don't think Tighe had more than two losing seasons since being there. SE became a good program because of him not in spite of him. What would throwing to Peed more often have accomplished last year? The game they threw the most to him was the only one they lost. This isn't fantasy football. Peed has and will continue to be an important contributor on both sides of the ball. Just like the Randy ratio was a failure with the Vikings, trying to change what has been successful just to benefit one player doesn't make a lot of sense for SE.

You could have said the same thing about Demaryius Thomas and Calvin Johnson going to a running school like Georgia Tech. They could have had it their stats more going to a school like Texas Tech that throws the ball all the time but the end result was they still made their teams better even when they weren't catching passes. >

This post was edited on 10/3 7:22 PM by CP84
 
There is no denying the correlation between the success of St. Edmond and the presence of Tighe. I hope we can realize that there is a difference between correlation and causation. There are a lot of other factors that are frankly more likely to be attributable to the success of the Gaels. The talent pool St. Edmond has had the past ten years is so much better than the ten years previous. The competition has also arguably decreased as well (while now the district usually contains a powerhouse, in the 90's it was more like two or three A-Ps, Emmetsburgs, etc. a season). There have been other coaching changes as well and one could easily argue that Schomberg and Naughton are a much larger component of Gael success than Tighe. Finally, I think if one was to ask any of Tighe's players over the past eight years, they would probably talk to my point of winning despite scheming and play calling that could be referred to as questionable at best.

Although I'm sure it does not sound like it now, I have a tremendous amount of respect for Coach Tighe. I do not, however, allow my admiration for the man cloud my perception of the facts.
 
The correlation vs causation argument might have more merit if the sample size was limited to SE. He improved both CK's and Webster City's programs as well. WC's program hit rock bottom shortly after he left. You don't have sustained success for that tenure at three different schools, excluding the school in Canada he took to the Regional Championship, and simply write it off as an influx in talent that apparently existed under no other coaches.

I'm sure St Edmond has more talent now but I certainly don't believe prior coaches like Anlicker would have been able to utilize it.
oTalent also comes from success just as much as success comes from talent. AP was a powerhouse when they had a legendary coach and the talent followed. The same with Eberg and Twait. When coaches build a successful program, students get motivated to work harder to become better players during the off season. Anlicker lost 2 starting varsity quarterbacks to the cross country team.
This post was edited on 10/3 8:38 PM by CP84
 
While others could speak more to this than I could, I am under the impression that during his tenure at Webster City they were by far the biggest school in the conference and FULL of incredible talent. I also think that he was probably a very different coach as a younger man. He has seemingly been more effected by his dotage (that sounds harsh, but probably the best word to be used) as his time at SE progressed. The man is 84 years old. If I can be in that shape, both mentally and physically, when I am his age I will be very pleased. But it does effect his performance. Again, I know it sounds as if I have some vendetta against the man, but I do not. This discussion started by my claim that Peed was underutilized and the argument was asserted that Tighe knows what he's doing so we shouldn't question his decisions. I just do not think that is the case.
 
Tighe was at WC for 3 decades. Are you really attributed that sustained success to inheriting a superior talent pool? He had talented kids because he built a successful program. Ed Thomas used to have a large talent pool too. Then he died and the talent pool dried up. Could it possibly be that good football programs have a good talent pool because young kids want to play and be part of that success? They don't go out for cross country instead like they did under Anlicker.

The comments about Peed remind me of the WC crowd when Tighe was eventually let go. Similar to Tom Davis at Iowa basketball, the community got content winning 8-9 games a year and expected championships. They though his offense was too boring and holding them back. After he left they went into the toilet.

You claim Shomberg and Naughton are arguably more critical to the success now. They are both dedicated guys that work hard and motivate kids but Naughton isn't a real X's and O's type of coach. He's more in the Anlicker category. That's good for an assistant but not for a game planner. As far as I've seen the SE offense is still running the same offense Tighe ran when he was in Canada and statistically they continue to be a top tier offense in 1a.
This post was edited on 10/3 9:00 PM by CP84
 
Having a larger pool to draw from could absolutely be a formula for sustained success. This is not my fight, however. My experiences surround him when he has been at St. Edmond. The only reason I even commented on his time at WC was because it was insinuated that due to his success at WC it can be assumed that his players at St. Edmond are not winning despite of him. I merely tried to support the idea that it would be entirely possible that his success prior to SE was not due to superior coaching skillz. I think this is a moot point. Regardless of what kind of coach he was at WC, I am very familiar with his time at St. Edmond. Also, being a head coach is a tough job and I am in no way claiming that just because one's players have to win despite him that he is a terrible or even bad coach. The same could probably be said about 60% of the coaches in the state. Nor do I think St. Edmond should even consider getting rid of him. Finding a better replacement would be very tough,and creating an atmosphere of loyalty is something to be valued. Again, I am very confident that if you talked to his former/current players over the past five or six years they would share many of my same sentiments. Go gaels.
 
Some may feel that way but I can tell you from firsthand experience I witnessed both Tighe, Jerry Plathe and Anlicker so I understand the highs and lows. It's not like the SE classes throughout the 90s and early 00s were void of talent. They continued to have great sprinters and basketball players. They used to dominate the 4*1 relays against far bigger schools. The problem is a lot of those guys didn't go out for football because of the coaches or other reasons including lack of excitement for the program.

I'm bringing up WC because the complaints are similar. Parents of the players used to complain about his lack of passing and believed it held them back. Some in the SE crowd (players/parents) probably feel the same now. It will only likely get worse the longer he stays and they become more detached from the hard times. If Tighe comes back next season and wins 7-8 games and finishes 2nd-4th in the district the SE crowd will likely start to mumble it's time for him to go. He has always been a Kirk Ferentz type of coach. He doesn't have a lot of frills but everywhere he goes they find a way to win games. Fans call for KF's head every year too but there is a good possibility a new coach won't come close to the same level of success as AP and EBerg have found after losing legends.
 
This isn't said a lot on here, but I agree. Trying to oust a man who made it to the state finals last year is insane, but it is something that is happening at SE. I do not think, however, that any of your points prove that Tighe's scheme misuses Peed. I am a fan of the no frills power-I in high school football. But I think that Landon could benefit the offense with more touches at the WR position. This is mostly just my opinion. But when you see the impact he makes even with the limited touches he gets, I don't think it's a crazy idea to suggest he should get more action at WR.
 
SE 41 - Madrid 6.
Your discussion of Landon Peed is interesting. I know Peed turned a lot heads in the finals last year with ability to catch the ball. I am not sure what position is best for him. Last week, he had over 120 yards rushing. I am not sure how many yards he had rushing tonight. Peed got the first two carries tonight and set up the Gaels first TD. I would guess he had around 75 tonight. I like Peed in the backfield but wish he would get more touches by the pass. Peed is listed at 185 in the program. Not what position his size would translate into college. Would like to see him get a chance to show what he can do. He is awesome player and kid.

By the way TJ had 252 yards rushing tonight. Madrid did not score until it was 41-0.
 
Brian Mann and Tim Flattery. I may be mistaken about Flattery starting varsity but he at least was the starting qb for that class all the way until he switched to XC. You would know better than I would. I think it goes without saying he was a talented athlete and would have been a good contributer if he was on the FB team.

This post was edited on 10/4 2:57 AM by CP84
 
I don't believe Tim played his sophomore year. Not sure about as a freshman. All I do remember for sure was that he started his junior year until he got hurt midway through the season. That was Coach Tighe's first year. The following year not wanting to risk injury and miss basketball he did not go out.
 
Cap,
Yeah well its like I said. There are reason's' why he moved to fullback.

(No quote function on phone, sorry)

This post was edited on 10/4 5:38 AM by DarkThunder#61
 
Thanks Thunder for linking the stats for last year's playoff game with Regina. I will have to agree with others that it appears nearly all the rushing yards came after the game was already put away by Regina.

Since you are digging can you do me a favor? Can you look up the stats from the PCM/SE playoff game a couple years ago? All I know is the score (PCM 17 - SE 7). Seems that game didn't make it into Quickstats either......IDK why....shouldn't have been a timing problem since it was just in the second round.

If you can force SE into throwing the ball that is the the way to beat them. In their last 2 playoff losses (Regina and Eburg) they were beat by a combined 63-0 and committed 8 turnovers. For as little as they pass the ball, 5 of the turnovers were picks. When they have to throw the ball......bad things seem to happen.

Maybe moving their stud receiver to FB is the realization that to get to where they really want to go.....they won't do it through the air.

BTW, very nice win over Madrid last night. I expected them to give the Gaels a test and was very surprised by the margin of victory.




This post was edited on 10/4 8:42 AM by ghost80
 
CP,
BMann was before my tenure. TFlatt ran his frosh, soph, and senior years. Thunder is correct, Tim left xc to play fball his junior year and unfortunately I got him back, because of the knee injury. It has been a successful run in the fall male sports at SE since 2000.
 
I think peed will make some college coach very happy. I think he would be awesome at wide receiver.
 
Originally posted by ghost80:

Since you are digging can you do me a favor? Can you look up the stats from the PCM/SE playoff game a couple years ago? All I know is the score (PCM 17 - SE 7). Seems that game didn't make it into Quickstats either......IDK why....shouldn't have been a timing problem since it was just in the second round.
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Why not East Buchanan?
 
Why not East Buchanan?

Simple. You had it partially right in your silly movie gif "NOBODY CARES"?

To the team who is 1-8 and failed to report their last 2 losses, where does that leave them? At the end of the day they are still residing with the teams who only won 1 game and had their season end without a playoff berth. Mercifully, "NOBODY CARES" about that teams failure to report.

Now take the team who fails to report their playoff loss and at the end of the day falsely lets themselves reside with the real 6 unbeaten teams who are also all state champions and I can assure you people care about that more than they do the team with 1 win. Maybe you should ask yourself this question. Why didn't I rag on SE for their failure to report their playoff loses in the past? You need to only look above to answer that question.

Nice attitude Thunder..."others don't report so why should we?"

Thunder, at least sleep better knowing this. If SE returns to the days where they find themselves 1-6 after week 7, I won't care (or even mention) if they fail to report their last 2 games...win or lose.
 
Originally posted by ghost80:


Now take the team who fails to report their playoff loss and at the end of the day falsely lets themselves reside with the real 6 unbeaten teams who are also all state champions and I can assure you people care about that more than they do the team with 1 win (who?.........)

Nice attitude Thunder..."others don't report so why should we?" Now, now. I've only said that the common layperson does not care, to the point where they'd need to make a big scene about it on a message board (at least not without some ulterior motive, for which I also asked you what that was), and for just one team in particular. That's what I implied......................what did you think I meant?
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You're the one implying that it's okay for a school like East Buchanan to not report because they're just a 1-win team..........

Thunder, at least sleep better knowing this. If SE returns to the days where they find themselves 1-6 after week 7, I won't care (or even mention) if they fail to report their last 2 games...win or lose (Yeah, you will. It's my fault though.)
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I like the can of double-standards you just opened.
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Thanks ghost for making this victory possible.

P.S. remember when you tried to sound all faux-righteous with this comment?
"I would hope the IAHSAA sticks to their rules and tells the one team that blew this rule off that they have a little unfinished business to take care of from last year before they would be eligible for playoffs this year."

Yeah, me neither.



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You can argue over semantics, but really, it's true that all teams should report their scores and stats as required. And, nearly all of them do.
 
Originally posted by Pinehawk:
You can argue over semantics, but really, it's true that all teams should report their scores and stats as required. Sure. And, nearly all of them do.
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You were the first to bring this up. Did it really bother you (and why, please), or was it just a drive-by response to add to the argument that was going on in that particular thread, and you wouldn't have even considered mentioning it had you not seen my comment you originally quoted? (ya know, since it was.....10 months after the fact. It just raises questions is all. No big deal.)
 
Thunder if you want to proclaim yourself a victor by comparing your 13-1 team to a 1-8 team be my guest.

I've already made it clear my motive against SE in this issue. I will repeat this since it was on the other threat.....last year 27 teams entered the playoffs unbeaten. 6 became unbeaten state champions. Everyone else accepted their loss and entered it on quickstats except St Eds, They chose to report nothing and give themselves the appearance of being unbeaten like the 6 champions.

Had I not called out another team who tried to portray themselves as unbeaten THAT would be a double standard, not failing to call out a team which reported themselves as 1-6 instead of 1-8.

If this were a personal thing against SE why wouldn't I have called them out before for failing to report season ending losses?
 
Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:
Originally posted by Pinehawk:
You can argue over semantics, but really, it's true that all teams should report their scores and stats as required. Sure. And, nearly all of them do.
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You were the first to bring this up. Did it really bother you (and why, please), or was it just a drive-by response to add to the argument that was going on in that particular thread, and you wouldn't have even considered mentioning it had you not seen my comment you originally quoted? (ya know, since it was.....10 months after the fact. It just raises questions is all. No big deal.)
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I brought it up because when I went back to check the stats on which players some of the top 1A teams were returning, I saw St. Eds at the top, listed with the other undefeated Champions. People use QuikStats as a reference and right now it's incorrect. The game that wasn't reported was the biggest game of the year in 1A last year. The Championship game.
The right thing to do is report the game, just like nearly every other school in Iowa did successfully.
 
Originally posted by Pinehawk:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:
Originally posted by Pinehawk:
You can argue over semantics, but really, it's true that all teams should report their scores and stats as required. Sure. And, nearly all of them do.
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You were the first to bring this up. Did it really bother you (and why, please), or was it just a drive-by response to add to the argument that was going on in that particular thread, and you wouldn't have even considered mentioning it had you not seen my comment you originally quoted? (ya know, since it was.....10 months after the fact. It just raises questions is all. No big deal.)
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I brought it up because when I went back to check the stats on which players some of the top 1A teams were returning, I saw St. Eds at the top, listed with the other undefeated Champions. People use QuikStats as a reference and right now it's incorrect. The game that wasn't reported was the biggest game of the year in 1A last year. The Championship game.
The right thing to do is report the game, just like nearly every other school in Iowa did successfully. Yeah, but let's not start insinuating what schools 'chose' to do, since you're gonna bring right and wrong in.
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You didn't really answer my question though. Did it bother you, or did you just mention it because of something I referenced?
 
Originally posted by ghost80:
Thunder if you want to proclaim yourself a victor by comparing your 13-1 team to a 1-8 team be my guest.

I've already made it clear my motive against SE in this issue. (Yeah but it's really weak. I just thought there'd be more.) I will repeat this since it was on the other thread.....last year 27 teams entered the playoffs unbeaten. 6 became unbeaten state champions. Everyone else accepted their loss and entered it on quickstats except St Eds, They chose (personal assumption) to report nothing and give themselves the appearance (personal assumption) of being unbeaten like the 6 champions.

(So essentially your motive is based on your own assumptions......meh.)

Had I not called out another team who tried to portray themselves (personal assumption....and at this point, ignorance) as unbeaten THAT would be a double standard, not failing to call out a team which reported themselves as 1-6 instead of 1-8.

If this were a personal thing against SE why wouldn't I have called them out before for failing to report season ending losses? (Not SE. It's my fault. Cause and effect.)
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This post was edited on 10/8 8:48 PM by DarkThunder#61
 
Cid is right. Nobody wants to report being shut out in the biggest game of the year or any time they have been blown out but that is what you are to do. I'm sure the team St Eds beat 75-0 didn't want to post their stats this year...but they did. That is certainly more than SE did last year in their playoff loss.

Thunder is trying to spin this that I'm on some kind of witch hunt and singling St Ed's out but at the end of the day it comes down to this. Over the last 3 years 69 teams have completed the regular season unbeaten. Of those 69 teams 15 remained unbeaten through the playoffs to become undefeated champions. Of the 54 teams who suffered their only loss of the season during the playoffs 53 of them did the right thing and reported their stats to quick stats. There was only 1 team that did not report. I'm not singling St Ed's out on some type of witch hunt... they singled themselves out by failing to report.

Thunder is also trying to suggest somehow that it isn't their fault they failed to report their stats. I'm not really buying that for 2 reasons.

1. 53 of 54 got it done and that included other teams whose only loss was in the finals.

2. 2 years prior St Eds also failed to report their 7-17 playoff loss to PCM in a second round game. That's twice in 3 years.



This post was edited on 10/9 6:10 AM by ghost80
 
Lol, now you're just talking in circles.

Originally posted by ghost80:

Thunder is trying to spin this that I'm on some kind of witch hunt and singling St Ed's out (well...you did. I even proved that and everything.) but at the end of the day it comes down to this. Over the last 3 years 69 teams have completed the regular season unbeaten. (Okay.) Of those 69 teams 15 remained unbeaten through the playoffs to become undefeated champions. (Good job everyone) Of the 54 teams who suffered their only loss of the season during the playoffs 53 of them did the right thing and reported their stats to quick stats. (So why is it wrong, ghost? Why does it bother you to the extent you've shown that it bothers you, since you keep arguing this? Explain it for everyone else, because I know you're not talking to me right there. When you keep referring to me in the third person, clearly you're talking to someone else: the reader................or spook) There was only 1 team that did not report. (Stay specific or you'll be misleading the reader. Wouldn't want them to think the wrong thing, would you? After all that's your whole argument, isn't it?.......) I'm not singling St Ed's out on some type of witch hunt... they singled themselves out by failing to report.

Thunder is also trying to suggest somehow that it isn't their fault they failed to report their stats. (Lol, now you're trying to sidestep what I said to keep the argument going. That's not what I said at all. It's my fault you brought this up because I was arguing with you and spook. Just let it go. It's over.)
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I was talking third party Thunder because I wasn't talking to you. You are so jaded you can't even see what is wrong with the situation of your homers repeatedly thumbing their nose at the requirement to submit their stats regardless whether they want to or not. The responses of others clearly shows they understand the significance of the situation. Not a single person besides you (a biased homer) has said, "that's ok...they are upset over their loss so let's not push them to post their stats....hey maybe we can even send them juice boxes to make them feel better".


Thunder, what is your favorite juice box?
 
Originally posted by ghost80:
I was talking third party Thunder because I wasn't talking to you. (I know. That's what I said.) You are so jaded you can't even see what is wrong (lol, when you start going this route I know you're done. Nice.
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)[/B]....hey maybe we can even send them juice boxes to make them feel better". (Do they make you feel better? Are there clinical studies to prove this?)[/B]
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Thunder, what is your favorite juice box? Hey Pine, he's asking me what my favorite juice box is. Do you think I should tell him?
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And spook, in case you missed it...



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