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How in the world does the East Side Teams get more then 2 teams ranked in the top 10 4A? In all reality it should be 7 metro teams and 1 Western Iowa Team then possibly 2 Eastern Iowa Teams. Sorry Eastern Iowa, Boone are we not tired of seeing State Championship Blowouts? Wake up and let the best teams battle it out and stop trying to convince us that Eastern Iowa belongs in the upper tier! # Valley or Dowling vs Bett :(
 
While I agree that there has been incredible dominance in 4A by Central Iowa teams, rankings are a different animal in which those who rank schools try to keep all the fanatics happy, all over the state. I do agree that whichever team comes out of the east or west in the playoffs is going to be chewed alive by some Des Moines- area team. However, there is always a chance that a good team may lurk near our state boundaries.
 
You're probably right, Lewis Central sounds like a top 10 team however I'm sure you were talking eastern boundaries. I truly believe the top 8-10 teams are all located within DSM.
 
I think the term "westside" is a misnomer as all the truly western teams (save for maybe LC) are mediocre. It's central Iowa where all the good teams are.

Westside is probably at least partially right though it is still early in the year. The jury is out on a lot of teams still (Dowling vs Centennial will be an interesting matchup as AC could be ranked as high as no 2)
 
While I will immediately concede the high school football in the Des Moines metro area is better, I would argue that the real issue is enrollment. 4A is a problem in that the big schools (other than Dowling, no I do not want to argue that issue.....) are just really much larger than the other 4A programs. Those 700 Beds schools are competing with some 2000 Beds schools. Really is a problem with no easy solution.
 
How in the world does the East Side Teams get more then 2 teams ranked in the top 10 4A? In all reality it should be 7 metro teams and 1 Western Iowa Team then possibly 2 Eastern Iowa Teams. Sorry Eastern Iowa, Boone are we not tired of seeing State Championship Blowouts? Wake up and let the best teams battle it out and stop trying to convince us that Eastern Iowa belongs in the upper tier! # Valley or Dowling vs Bett :(

Let me guess... You're from Johnston or Waukee. Sorry, that Valley and Dowling are close to you geographically but far better in football. They're the two best teams in the state and it doesn't mean that your school is worth anything. SEP seems to have a good football tradition and ICW beat them. Cedar Falls (which by the way is not the same CF anymore) has wins over two westsides this year.
 
Agree that Valley and Dowling are the best in the state and should match up in the finals. Also if you're being intellectually honest it's hard to argue that Central Iowa and possibly LC from the west are 8 of the top 10 teams in the state. Lets put the best teams in the Dome and have some good games that pack the house. Why does Boone insist on having poorer east side teams in the dome? Last years west/east game was boring and lacked interest, however most games would have been similar against last years Dowling squad.
 
This is the same argument we have every year. Enrollment is a reality, it's not something that Boone decides. Are we still proposing the top 20 schools create a new class? I hate to sound like the old guys, but doesn't that start to sound like "everyone deserves a medal?" Obviously, it's not about raw numbers but the complexity of those numbers. DM East and Lincoln are 4th and 5th, respectively, in BEDS numbers from 2016. Linn-Mar Marion is 6th and DM Roosevelt is 10th. Have any of those schools done anything of note, football-wise?

Boil it down, it's about getting kids who have the ability (usually directly due to domestic situation) to put time into practice--both offseason and inseason--and the other activities necessary to build a strong, well-drilled team.

This is going off 2016 BEDS numbers, so it is highly unscientific. I just don't have the time to go back to each and every year's BEDS figures to create an accurate depiction. But for argument's sake, consider how many schools have even made the 4A Championship game that are outside the top 20 BEDS numbers since 1990 (parochial schools are not taken into account here): CR Washington (2014 & 2003), Marshalltown (2009), and Newton (1990). And I guess you could throw in Cedar Falls into that mix.

Just the same, it's not about numbers but it is about numbers. I don't mean this in a callous manner, but it's about getting "football quality" numbers. Again, many kids who would be great at football don't have the ability because of unfortunate domestic situations that might allow them to get the time to practice and do offseason football-related activities. This is not a moral argument, simply one of facts as they are in reality.
 
Agree that Valley and Dowling are the best in the state and should match up in the finals. Also if you're being intellectually honest it's hard to argue that Central Iowa and possibly LC from the west are 8 of the top 10 teams in the state. Lets put the best teams in the Dome and have some good games that pack the house. Why does Boone insist on having poorer east side teams in the dome? Last years west/east game was boring and lacked interest, however most games would have been similar against last years Dowling squad.

@westside rules - I'm going to cut you some slack since I assume you're in high school. As an oldtimer on this blog - I can tell you GoBigD was very much like you when he was your age - hopefully you grow out of it like he did.
 
How in the world does the East Side Teams get more then 2 teams ranked in the top 10 4A? In all reality it should be 7 metro teams and 1 Western Iowa Team then possibly 2 Eastern Iowa Teams. Sorry Eastern Iowa, Boone are we not tired of seeing State Championship Blowouts? Wake up and let the best teams battle it out and stop trying to convince us that Eastern Iowa belongs in the upper tier! # Valley or Dowling vs Bett :(

Let's slow your roll here. It's true that the West side has won the last three 4A championships in blowouts. It's also true those have all been DOWLING, which means nobody else on the West side could keep up with them, either.

Let's all agree Dowling has been in a class by themselves the past three years. If you take them out of the equation, since 2006 there have been just two blowouts in the 4A championship (meaning a win by over 15 points) - Valley beat Cedar Falls 27-8 in 2008, and City High over Marshalltown 42-14 in 2009. Other than that, the games were exciting and competitive in 2012 (Xavier led Ankeny into the 4th quarter before losing by 6), 2011 (Valley with a 3-point win over Bettendorf), 2010 (Dowling had to go to overtime to beat City High), and 2007 (Bettendorf by 5 over Ankeny). Xavier's 21-6 win over Southeast Polk in 2006 was just on the edge of a blowout.

Has the East side been down in 4A title games recently? Sure, they haven't won a championship since 2009. But with the exception of Ankeny in 2012, nobody except Dowling and Valley has won a title for the West side since 1997. And the last West side team to win besides Dowling, Valley or Ankeny? Sioux City East in 1984.

It seems to me it's less of a "West side is so much better than East side" than "Dowling (and sometimes Valley) is so much better than everybody."
 
As a matter of historical perspective, lets not forget that the East dominated the West for the first 26 years of the playoffs in far more emphatic fashion that the Dowling/Valley side (I won't even call it West or Central because there simply hasn't been the even distribution of championships amongst the Central/West that there was amongst the East for 26 years. One need only look back to the 90's to see how the East used to dominate Central and Western Iowa schools in the playoffs...not just in the championship rounds, but in earlier rounds too before the 8&8 rule came into effect and balanced out the number of teams in the playoffs in each side of the state. Prior to 2000, Eastern Iowa commonly had the majority of the playoff field. Then, as now, Central and Western Iowa has always been much more top-heavy. In 1999, Cedar Falls beat Newton, SC East, and Valley prior to bowing in OT against IC West in the championship game.
 
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And the last West side team to win besides Dowling, Valley or Ankeny? Sioux City East in 1984.

I know it's gauche to quote myself, but come on ... I was stunned when I looked this up. It's been over 30 years since anyone outside West Des Moines (or Ankeny) has won a 4A state championship for the West side. That's the very definition of "top heavy" (thanks CF_93). In that span Dowling has won 6 times, Valley 5 and Ankeny twice.

Meanwhile, East side champions include Bettendorf (6 times), City High (4 times), Linn-Mar and Iowa City West (3 times each), along with Cedar Falls and Xavier. Twice as many East side schools have won championships as have West siders.

Now, recent history is heavily weighted toward the West (although more specifically, Dowling). After Sioux City East's title in 1984, East side schools won the next 12 titles. Since then it's been 13-6 in favor of the West side, and 7-1 over the past 8 years. I would say while there's no reason to think the pendulum can't swing back the East's way, I also can't say that I see any reason why Dowling and Valley won't continue to be dominant in the foreseeable future.
 
It's all about consistently good coaching and the football culture in the school and town. The nine or ten schools that KidSilverhair mentions, plus a handful of others, are FOOTBALL schools. It's what the kids from their feeder programs talk about, practice for, and are enthused about from the time they can walk. Other schools the same size or even bigger (won't name them) have dysfunctional programs in comparison. The last 15- 18 years, the best programs are in the Des Moines suburbs, no doubt. Some of the bigger cities in the east, aside from CR, CF and IC, have more poor programs than good programs. In the last forty years, the city of Davenport (proper) has only Assumption which is pretty good because of their Rising Knights program, Waterloo (not CF) hasn't been good for many years and Dubuque has one state championship in football in the last 70 years (Hempstead) and that was 36 years or so ago. Wahlert and Senior, I believe, haven't been past the state quarterfinals in football since Grover Cleveland was president, or at least since there have been playoffs. In Wahlert's feeder schools, more than twice as many boys play basketball than play football. Senior had something like 50 basketball teams registered in an elementary hoops clinic there. Football is not King in many schools. Success breeds success in sports, but especially in a sport like football, in which it literally takes a small army of dedicated players, consistently good coaching on all levels, and legions of avid supporters to be successful year after year.
 
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sorry DSMan I really should listen to your words of wisdom, after all someone told me you were one hell of a student manager back in the day:) I'm sure you got to see many a game from the 40 yard line as you handed out bottles of water to the boys. I sincerely apologize for ever questioning someone with your experience, not sure what the hell I was thinking.
 
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sorry DSMan I really should listen to your words of wisdom, after all someone told me you were one hell of a student manager back in the day:) I'm sure you got to see many a game from the 40 yard line as you handed out bottles of water to the boys. I sincerely apologize for ever questioning someone with your experience, not sure what the hell I was thinking.

It's nice to know that I'm still a thing of folklore at ol DC. :D I've only been back once since I graduated and I assumed everyone had forgotten my identity.
 
Another factor that has possibly hurt the Iowa City area teams has to be when Marv Cook took over at Regina and the talent drain that happened from IC High and IC West as a result.

With IC Liberty opening soon the talent drain will be even more evident.
 
I think a north-south divide is the answer, with I-80 as the divider. If that doesnt produce an even number of teams on each side, we can move I 80 around. It is too straight anyway. That way Sioux City and Dubuque teams could be in the same conference. That would clear this up.
 
We sure need some humor on here once in a while. We pin way too much of our emotions sometimes on a bunch of kids playing with a slippery ball.
 
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Agree, I loved DSMan response to my jabs, he rolled with the punch instead of firing back in a jerk like manner.
So here is the big question... If we were all nice and polite would this site have more people participate??? We need more topics and visiotrs.
 
Another factor that has possibly hurt the Iowa City area teams has to be when Marv Cook took over at Regina and the talent drain that happened from IC High and IC West as a result.

With IC Liberty opening soon the talent drain will be even more evident.

Hasn't had an impact on those two schools. There have been very few transfers. There have been other factors. When Liberty opens will be more interesting.
 
Another factor that has possibly hurt the Iowa City area teams has to be when Marv Cook took over at Regina and the talent drain that happened from IC High and IC West as a result.

With IC Liberty opening soon the talent drain will be even more evident.





That will only affect Regina and West High, as a City alum I know the boundaries fairly well. I know too many people that live in NL and choose Regina or West just for driving purposes. City High is the furthest school away from Liberty High and its eastern dominance may once again rein.

State champ '09
 
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