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Biden has given Ukraine

It’s a good thing IMO, Russia launches wave after wave of drones and cruise missiles from a handful of places in Russian. None of these waves target military targets, mostly they hit residential buildings and power/utilities in cities

Most evil motherphuckers since the Khmer Rouge or the nazi SS. The Russian military treats their own soldiers like worthless meat bags, abandons their wounded to bleed out or starve in the field - I hate that country
 
If Ukrainian missiles start murkin Moscow this war will get interesting. Let the bodies hit the floor!
 
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Well Kennedy almost put us in a nuclear war over Russian missiles in Cuba.

Not much difference for Russia and Ukraine.

Putin isn’t going to stand for nato in Ukraine.

We don’t have a lot of room to talk historically
 
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It’s a good thing IMO, Russia launches wave after wave of drones and cruise missiles from a handful of places in Russian. None of these waves target military targets, mostly they hit residential buildings and power/utilities in cities

Most evil motherphuckers since the Khmer Rouge or the nazi SS. The Russian military treats their own soldiers like worthless meat bags, abandons their wounded to bleed out or starve in the field - I hate that country

I don't hate the country or the people necessarily but I agree. The use of North Korean, Chinese and Iranian military equipment and the huge escalation of using NK military personnel has justified the use of more advanced military systems imo.

I don't appreciate the fact that we're paying for it but the escalation itself is entirely on the Russian regime.
 
Well Kennedy almost put us in a nuclear war over Russian missiles in Cuba.

Not much difference for Russia and Ukraine.

Putin isn’t going to stand for nato in Ukraine.

We don’t have a lot of room to talk historically

Also agree. I think a pledge not to add Ukraine to NATO (corrupt AF anyway) as well as no offensive weapons in Ukraine if Russia withdraws is extremely reasonable.

However, as I said above, this recent escalation is on Putin and Russia. Bringing NK troops into the fold is entirely ridiculous and irresponsible.
 
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ironic since Ukraine sided with the Nazi’s, Had SS Units, still use the Swastika in their military units, and of course….their deeply held anti-semitism
Some yes, but the VAST fought AGAINST Germany….. and how does a Nazi country elect a Jew as president. Russias fake news and propaganda has been very effective in this country
 
Some yes, but the VAST fought AGAINST Germany….. and how does a Nazi country elect a Jew as president. Russias fake news and propaganda has been very effective in this country

Also, Stalin intentionally starved millions of Ukrainians in the 1920's and 30's so it stands to reason that many of them fought against the Soviet Union. I think it's accurate to say they fought against Stalin, not for Hitler or nazi Germany.

There were and are anti-semites in Ukraine...probably in similar concentration as other western European countries.
 
Exactly. WTF is up with IPD? Is he one of the “Russian Disinformation” sheeple ?
Dude, I follow all the news out of Ukraine - battle reports, where Russia is getting their ish pushed in bigly, where the are making ground, when Russia executes Ukrainian POWs on film, the residential buildings and hospitals Russia indiscriminately destroys hundreds of miles from the front…. This is nothing more than a tyrant deciding to destroy another country and their culture, simply because he doesn’t believe the West cares

Reagan would be turning in his grave if he knew the apathy this nation has over WTF is truly going on over there
 
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Dude, I follow all the news out of Ukraine - battle reports, where Russia is getting their ish pushed in bigly, where the are making ground, when Russia executes Ukrainian POWs on film, the residential buildings and hospitals Russia indiscriminately destroys hundreds of miles from the front…. This is nothing more than a tyrant deciding to destroy another country and their culture, simply because he doesn’t believe the West cares

Reagan would be turning in his grave if he knew the apathy this nation has over WTF is truly going on over there
Reagan wouldn’t have let it get to that point.

This is all our modern political elite making policy for their personal profit. We “lost” when Putin decided it was ok to invade. Now it’s a matter of damage control to prevent this from escalating.
 
And don’t someone say it’s the same damn culture - it is not. There are people/ teenagers murdered in Russia by the police and military just because they spoke
Ukrainian- children abducted from occupied Ukrainian lands forbidden to speak their native tongue, and who MUST learn Russian. This shite has arrived at the definition of genicide
 
Some yes, but the VAST fought AGAINST Germany….. and how does a Nazi country elect a Jew as president. Russias fake news and propaganda has been very effective in this country


Propaganda in support of Ukraine has indeed been very effective

So I’m clear - Russian missles in Cuba bad, American missiles and nato in Ukraine good?
 
Also agree. I think a pledge not to add Ukraine to NATO (corrupt AF anyway) as well as no offensive weapons in Ukraine if Russia withdraws is extremely reasonable.

However, as I said above, this recent escalation is on Putin and Russia. Bringing NK troops into the fold is entirely ridiculous and irresponsible.

Trump will do a deal there. Main thing is no nato , no missles
 
Just to be clear, I’m NOT a Russian apologist but I also have major concerns about the the US national interest in getting further involved in supporting the Ukraine regime which has a scandalous history at best. Let’s also not underestimate Putin’s decisions being dictated by the general apathy displayed after the Crimea annexation.
 
Just to be clear, I’m NOT a Russian apologist but I also have major concerns about the the US national interest in getting further involved in supporting the Ukraine regime which has a scandalous history at best. Let’s also not underestimate Putin’s decisions being dictated by the general apathy displayed after the Crimea annexation.
This times eleventy billion…
There is evil all over the planet. Is IPD worried about the kids in Somalia getting carved up daily? I’d rather us go save them than a bunch of white privileged Ukrainian children.
 
Yeah….. get back with me when somebody proposes Ukraine gets nukes stationed there.

I don't think nukes in Ukraine were ever a serious concern. However, anti-ballistic missiles or a leg of an American "missile shield" being stationed in Ukraine was and is a real concern for Russia.

It's MUCH easier to terminate an intercontinental missiles during its launch phase than any other phase of its flight. Also general SAM defense so close to Russia is a concern for them.

Not to bounce back and forth on this issue on purpose but Russia has made a damn good case for why the rest of Europe needs to protect itself with such a missile/anti-air shield with their actions in Crimea and Ukraine in general since 2014. The bottom line is fvck Putin and his regime.
 
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I don't think nukes in Ukraine were ever a serious concern. However, anti-ballistic missiles or a leg of an American "missile shield" being stationed in Ukraine was and is a real concern for Russia.

It's MUCH easier to terminate an intercontinental missiles during its launch phase than any other phase of its flight. Also general SAM defense so close to Russia is a concern for them.

Not to bounce back and forth on this issue on purpose but Russia has made a damn good case for why the rest of Europe needs to protect itself with such a missile/anti-air shield with their actions in Crimea and Ukraine in general since 2014. The bottom line is fvck Putin and his regime.
The bottom line is that he never invades Ukraine with a strong US President in office. Never.
 
Just to be clear, I’m NOT a Russian apologist but I also have major concerns about the the US national interest in getting further involved in supporting the Ukraine regime which has a scandalous history at best. Let’s also not underestimate Putin’s decisions being dictated by the general apathy displayed after the Crimea annexation.

Barry and potato joe all but gave him the green light twice
 
I’m not so sure but leaning toward going with @IrishPokerDog on this one.
We may as well get into a sho nuff nuclear war with Russia seeing as how they don’t want the Ukrainian kids speaking the wrong language. That’s a damn good reason to sacrifice millions of American lives! 😆
 
Yeah….. get back with me when somebody proposes Ukraine gets nukes stationed there.
Friend was on a nuclear sub before becoming a Dr. We have talked about this and he told me nukes are not necessary in Ukraine and there is already enough nukes in the Med to destroy most any country. He said that Iran could be destroyed in a matter of minutes if the order was given . I hope no nukes are ever deployed, can't be a pleasing outcome for anyone on this planet. Speaking of GLOBAL WARMING !
 
Listen to this brief history of the US in Eastern Europe with nato

Like I've said earlier, WE would never allow a puppet gov't established by Russia to be set up in Mexico with missiles aimed at us. Ever. We made promises to Russia and have broken nearly every one of them. I think Putin is a murderous thug and deserves a bullet btw his eyes, but he is just reacting like we would.
An Italian friend of mine has a family hotel business in N. Italy and has several eastern Ukrainian families who came to Italy working for them. They want nothing to do with the Ukraine and say virtually their entire region wants to be back under Russian control. This is the US sticking our nose where it's not needed.
NOW, sleepy Joe just approved anti-personnel land mines to be given to Zelensky... it's almost like he's trying to create as big a shyt show as possible for Trump... go figure.
 
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