AND FINALLY REGINA GETS WHAT THEY DESERVE!
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It will happen.
Right now too many private supporters (like many following Regina) are actually helping the cause.
Their sheer arrogance will move more people to act that just the act of winning the titles.
With the private schools being in the vast minority they really are quite powerless when the public schools decide to do something about this situation.
It will come, especially when the public schools realize that it will put more $tudent$ in their classrooms.
Right now too many private supporters (like many following Regina) are actually helping the cause.
Their sheer arrogance will move more people to act that just the act of winning the titles.
With the private schools being in the vast minority they really are quite powerless when the public schools decide to do something about this situation.
It will come, especially when the public schools realize that it will put more $tudent$ in their classrooms.
The private schools are in a minority in several things. I am interested to see what you would list as the 'sheer arrogance' that is causing all of this activity to occurr. Please share some specifics if you will. It would be interesting to see if the private school minority could refute those or to provide an equal amount of posts showing emotion based posts, 'stories' with no factual back up, allegations that are just made up or calls for action because their teams are not willing to change to be competitive? Should be interesting
Ghost, you realize that the public/government school's tax receipts won't change if kids move from Regina to public/government school, right?
If those that are so sure that some giant "shoe" is preparing to drop would stop trying to be cute and just come forward with your meaningless "information", it would move the converstation in a meaningful direction.
If those that are so sure that some giant "shoe" is preparing to drop would stop trying to be cute and just come forward with your meaningless "information", it would move the converstation in a meaningful direction.
So are you trying to say that public schools only get additional money when students open enroll into their di$trict? Well that definitely sounds like a way better reason to recruit students into your school rather than giving people all of these huge tuition discounts we keep reading about(with no facts to back them up) and creating expenses all in the name of winning some more football games.
Ghost.
You post more inaccurate statements than anyone other than GoldenHawk. It doesn't matter if a kid goes to private school. The public school district the kid lives in still get's the property tax money.
Families already pay for their child's public education through taxes. When parents choose to send their child to a private school,, they are effectively paying twice for education, once for a public education they do not use and once for a private education.
So, the public school district still collects the property tax but does not have to service the student. The State of Iowa throws in around 6,000 per year per student but the estimated cost to educate a student in Iowa is around 10,000 per year (can look all this up online) So that is a loss. Just not sure where you are getting this $tudents$ stuff. Seems like a very uneducated statement.
just sayin
You post more inaccurate statements than anyone other than GoldenHawk. It doesn't matter if a kid goes to private school. The public school district the kid lives in still get's the property tax money.
Families already pay for their child's public education through taxes. When parents choose to send their child to a private school,, they are effectively paying twice for education, once for a public education they do not use and once for a private education.
So, the public school district still collects the property tax but does not have to service the student. The State of Iowa throws in around 6,000 per year per student but the estimated cost to educate a student in Iowa is around 10,000 per year (can look all this up online) So that is a loss. Just not sure where you are getting this $tudents$ stuff. Seems like a very uneducated statement.
just sayin
Sorry track guy but my picture of public school financing is a lot more accurate than what you are trying to sell. You dropped the baton on this one.
Am I aware that part of a school's funding comes from property tax? Yes. (That is why in another thread I made the statement that I have a taxable interest in a school district even though I have no children attending). I'll fill you in on a little secret while you whine about the private parents paying school property tax and not sending kids there.....Guess what? Everyone else who owns real property (either directly or indirectly through renting) pays property tax and a portion of those taxes support the local school even if they have no children or kids who don't go to school there!!! What makes the private parents any different from me?
While the average "cost" of a student might be $10,000 is that the cost for an existing school to put up to 10% (or probably more in most cases) students in their class rooms? Hardly!! The 10K includes all cost which is largely comprised of many set costs. Building, utilities, insurance, administration, teachers, ect, ect, ect, are all cost which won't change much whether they have a beds number of 150 or 175. I realize the view from being within Iowa City is a lot different than what is happening in the rest of the state but many many more schools are suffering enrollment declines instead of increases or even steady numbers. Most schools would LOVE to to have the 6K from the state that follows the student and add more kids. They don't need the full $10K for each student bumping their enrollment up because the cost for additional kids isn't $10K.
If a school was "full" and couldn't add more students without having to add more costly overhead they can deny open enrollment. Example: if all the Regina students leaving tried to flood West Branch some might not get to go there and would either have look elsewhere or move within the school district. (Obviously a move within the school district theoretically generates more money for the district since they will be receive additional property taxes revenue as well).
Track guy, I realize there is rarely a consolidation in privates and rarely a consolidation in Iowa City public schools but why do you think all these school districts are consolidating? It's because they can spread the cost of their fixed overhead over more students since schools who are consolidating are almost always suffering declining enrollment. Really it is no different than private companies merging to be more profitable.
You need to learn what life is really like outside of a private school planted in the middle of a large (by Iowa standards) city. Let me ask you a question. Do you really think Manson NW Webster would be using billboards to try and lure students from Fort Dodge Senior High and St Eds schools if they were losing $4,000 on every student whom they convinced to make the move? Highly doubtful but that is what your ignorant logic is suggesting.
This post was edited on 12/24 6:35 AM by ghost80
Am I aware that part of a school's funding comes from property tax? Yes. (That is why in another thread I made the statement that I have a taxable interest in a school district even though I have no children attending). I'll fill you in on a little secret while you whine about the private parents paying school property tax and not sending kids there.....Guess what? Everyone else who owns real property (either directly or indirectly through renting) pays property tax and a portion of those taxes support the local school even if they have no children or kids who don't go to school there!!! What makes the private parents any different from me?
While the average "cost" of a student might be $10,000 is that the cost for an existing school to put up to 10% (or probably more in most cases) students in their class rooms? Hardly!! The 10K includes all cost which is largely comprised of many set costs. Building, utilities, insurance, administration, teachers, ect, ect, ect, are all cost which won't change much whether they have a beds number of 150 or 175. I realize the view from being within Iowa City is a lot different than what is happening in the rest of the state but many many more schools are suffering enrollment declines instead of increases or even steady numbers. Most schools would LOVE to to have the 6K from the state that follows the student and add more kids. They don't need the full $10K for each student bumping their enrollment up because the cost for additional kids isn't $10K.
If a school was "full" and couldn't add more students without having to add more costly overhead they can deny open enrollment. Example: if all the Regina students leaving tried to flood West Branch some might not get to go there and would either have look elsewhere or move within the school district. (Obviously a move within the school district theoretically generates more money for the district since they will be receive additional property taxes revenue as well).
Track guy, I realize there is rarely a consolidation in privates and rarely a consolidation in Iowa City public schools but why do you think all these school districts are consolidating? It's because they can spread the cost of their fixed overhead over more students since schools who are consolidating are almost always suffering declining enrollment. Really it is no different than private companies merging to be more profitable.
You need to learn what life is really like outside of a private school planted in the middle of a large (by Iowa standards) city. Let me ask you a question. Do you really think Manson NW Webster would be using billboards to try and lure students from Fort Dodge Senior High and St Eds schools if they were losing $4,000 on every student whom they convinced to make the move? Highly doubtful but that is what your ignorant logic is suggesting.
This post was edited on 12/24 6:35 AM by ghost80
Ghost, I suppose the big difference is that you are the one who is misinformed. Taxes from everyone goes toward the public school. Only the private school parents are paying for the private school. Pretty simple point, that you somehow twist in your post.
I'm sure you're not actually misinformed, but instead just trying to make a point that falls flat.
I also know that costs are not the same in schools of "150 or 175". Teachers pay can varies greatly in any school and the SEB are always the biggest expense at a school. That being the case, 150 school could actually have higher costs than the 175 bed school.
Ignorant logic be damned...
I'm sure you're not actually misinformed, but instead just trying to make a point that falls flat.
I also know that costs are not the same in schools of "150 or 175". Teachers pay can varies greatly in any school and the SEB are always the biggest expense at a school. That being the case, 150 school could actually have higher costs than the 175 bed school.
Ignorant logic be damned...
Actually if I'm reading the point the Undead One is trying to make it is a very interesting concept.
If I'm reading this right:
Private schools don't get per student funding from the state. Public schools do get per student funding from the state, so if public schools can get private school students to jump ship and either enroll in their public school district or open enroll in a nearby district they are financially better off, assuming that district has excess capacity to take on those private students.
I do think that segregating private and public schools in sports would make some private students (and their parents) look at moving to a suitable public school. As farfetched as it sounds I could also see where some public schools and their taxpayers see this as an opportunity to kill 2 birds with 1 stone and support a segregation move. Leveling the playing field to compete against their public peers at the same time they could help their finances if they benefited from open enrollment would be a WIN/WIN for the Public Schools and a LOSE/LOSE for the Private Schools.
The one issue I see with ghost80's plan is this. If suddenly students who attended private schools switched to public wouldn't that put a strain on the state coffers? You might have individual districts getting more money but wouldn't it mean that:
1. The state taxpayers would be on the hook for more students getting funding. OR
2. The people of the state might find fewer services as the state adjusts their budgets to avoid raising taxes. OR
3. Public schools find themselves in a financial pinch because the state has reduced the per student amount.
4. A combination of the above.
This post was edited on 12/24 4:58 PM by stickman80
If I'm reading this right:
Private schools don't get per student funding from the state. Public schools do get per student funding from the state, so if public schools can get private school students to jump ship and either enroll in their public school district or open enroll in a nearby district they are financially better off, assuming that district has excess capacity to take on those private students.
I do think that segregating private and public schools in sports would make some private students (and their parents) look at moving to a suitable public school. As farfetched as it sounds I could also see where some public schools and their taxpayers see this as an opportunity to kill 2 birds with 1 stone and support a segregation move. Leveling the playing field to compete against their public peers at the same time they could help their finances if they benefited from open enrollment would be a WIN/WIN for the Public Schools and a LOSE/LOSE for the Private Schools.
The one issue I see with ghost80's plan is this. If suddenly students who attended private schools switched to public wouldn't that put a strain on the state coffers? You might have individual districts getting more money but wouldn't it mean that:
1. The state taxpayers would be on the hook for more students getting funding. OR
2. The people of the state might find fewer services as the state adjusts their budgets to avoid raising taxes. OR
3. Public schools find themselves in a financial pinch because the state has reduced the per student amount.
4. A combination of the above.
This post was edited on 12/24 4:58 PM by stickman80
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