All state Picks ( my opinions)

[DSM SPORTS FAN]

↑ Question from Westside rules

DSM Sports Fan please read my rant below, I'm hoping you will give me/us your honest opinion. You watch games without having kids play and you claim you see different teams play throughout the year. Were you surprised by the selections? I also know you live in Des Moines and don't go east to watch, you're opinions are central and west. Living in Sioux City it seems like 4A (West Side) gets overlooked. I have seen 3 of the 4 kids below play ( all were on your list) makes no sense to me, am I all wet?




The entire process needs explained, I follow both 3A and 4A and 100% from the Westside so all I can speak about with any knowledge is West Players

The 4A appears to be all about Des Moines Schools. I think DSM Sports Fan did a great job evaluating without prejudice throughout the season, I would love his take on this. Maybe next year we could use him to visit the east side as well and get rid of sports writers who lack the knowledge to pick! DSM Sportsfan you up to the challenge?

.How do you leave a kid off the list that's was at the top of the state in passing (Duggan) and QB rating or how does Flemister from East not make 1st team? They pick Baker (TJ) on 2nd team defense vs offense... really sports writers?

What about Theobald who was Iowa's sack leader and I think state leader in TFL ( according to Sportsfan)..like Duggan both were left off any teams? How can that be, what are they using to pick these guys?

These are a few from the Westside that DSM Sportsfan called out, sure there are more

Is this really about who goes the deepest in the playoffs? What are they using to pick the teams, obviously stats are not used?

I have less problems in 3A, when thinking about it it's probably because few if any Des Moines Teams play 3A. I am sure the east side feels the same way.

the entire process needs explained and evaluated. Get people voting that understand the game, we owe it to the players.
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My Response:

I had an opportunity to review the 4A Picks and to be honest some came as a surprise. A handful of players not making any of the three teams left me scratching my head in disbelief, I literally went though names again searching thinking I overlooked someone! I have had the opportunity to see many of these boys play, in some cases I've watched them play multiple times. What I can't do is compare them to players from the East Side of Iowa, that said I'm not sure how the writers do that either. I hope anyone casting votes study tapes and review quik stats before casting a vote. When I recently put my "Year-End Top Performers" team together I spent over 20 hours researching before ever finalizing the team, I needed to justify it in my mind as I know how important it is to the players picked and I wanted to do my best not to leave anyone out. My point in all this is I can say I tried my best agree with my pick or not I put time and effort into each selection.

I will comment on the players you called out and give you my perspective as it appears that's what you're asking of me. Once again keep in mind I did not see any of the young men from the east play so keep that in mind.

Duggan LC; I did not expect him to make the 1st team, I watched him play 3 times this past year and would have had him on 3rd for sure and possibly 2nd team ( depending on what's on the east side) Funny as I am writing this his photo is on "Iowa Preps" for getting offers from Iowa, Iowa State and South Dakota as a sophomore. It looks like recruiters are noticing him just not Iowa Sports Writers.

Flemister SC East: strictly from the west side would have made my 1st team, he put up great numbers finishing 6th in total offense and he did this on a very average team. westside rules I know with you living in Sioux City you're big on this kid, so in my opinion he was slightly overlooked. I can live with him making either 1st or 2nd.

Baker (TJ) his numbers do not warrant him making 2nd team defense, however I didn't get a chance to see this young talent play. That being said, his numbers differently warrant him making 2nd team offense and a strong argument for first team. I would have picked Baker 2nd team offense. So change his pick from defense to offense

Theobald (LC) I got to see Theobald along with Duggan play 3 times. Regular season state sack leader and 2nd in TFl still is 1st in sacks and 3rd in TFL despite getting knocked out of playoffs early. I would have had Theobald and Waggoner on my 1st team. Theobald not making any of the teams makes zero sense to me.

So westside rules, I'm not sure what to say other then it's not a perfect system and voters come unprepared. I am sure young players feel slighted and that's truly unfortunate. I would hope in the future the people in charge make certain those casting votes are prepared to do so.

As others have commented and it's an excellent idea, the voting needs to take place before the playoffs ever begin so everyone is on a level playing field with regards to stats ( however not sure they bothered to look at stats). Also the people in charge really do need to clarify what goes into the selections, that in itself may help people like me understand and accept the picks.

Just one mans view

DSM SportsFan

 

[portpro]

↑ Question from Westside rules

DSM Sports Fan please read my rant below, I'm hoping you will give me/us your honest opinion. You watch games without having kids play and you claim you see different teams play throughout the year. Were you surprised by the selections? I also know you live in Des Moines and don't go east to watch, you're opinions are central and west. Living in Sioux City it seems like 4A (West Side) gets overlooked. I have seen 3 of the 4 kids below play ( all were on your list) makes no sense to me, am I all wet?




The entire process needs explained, I follow both 3A and 4A and 100% from the Westside so all I can speak about with any knowledge is West Players

The 4A appears to be all about Des Moines Schools. I think DSM Sports Fan did a great job evaluating without prejudice throughout the season, I would love his take on this. Maybe next year we could use him to visit the east side as well and get rid of sports writers who lack the knowledge to pick! DSM Sportsfan you up to the challenge?

.How do you leave a kid off the list that's was at the top of the state in passing (Duggan) and QB rating or how does Flemister from East not make 1st team? They pick Baker (TJ) on 2nd team defense vs offense... really sports writers?

What about Theobald who was Iowa's sack leader and I think state leader in TFL ( according to Sportsfan)..like Duggan both were left off any teams? How can that be, what are they using to pick these guys?

These are a few from the Westside that DSM Sportsfan called out, sure there are more

Is this really about who goes the deepest in the playoffs? What are they using to pick the teams, obviously stats are not used?

I have less problems in 3A, when thinking about it it's probably because few if any Des Moines Teams play 3A. I am sure the east side feels the same way.

the entire process needs explained and evaluated. Get people voting that understand the game, we owe it to the players.
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My Response:

I had an opportunity to review the 4A Picks and to be honest some came as a surprise. A handful of players not making any of the three teams left me scratching my head in disbelief, I literally went though names again searching thinking I overlooked someone! I have had the opportunity to see many of these boys play, in some cases I've watched them play multiple times. What I can't do is compare them to players from the East Side of Iowa, that said I'm not sure how the writers do that either. I hope anyone casting votes study tapes and review quik stats before casting a vote. When I recently put my "Year-End Top Performers" team together I spent over 20 hours researching before ever finalizing the team, I needed to justify it in my mind as I know how important it is to the players picked and I wanted to do my best not to leave anyone out. My point in all this is I can say I tried my best agree with my pick or not I put time and effort into each selection.

I will comment on the players you called out and give you my perspective as it appears that's what you're asking of me. Once again keep in mind I did not see any of the young men from the east play so keep that in mind.

Duggan LC; I did not expect him to make the 1st team, I watched him play 3 times this past year and would have had him on 3rd for sure and possibly 2nd team ( depending on what's on the east side) Funny as I am writing this his photo is on "Iowa Preps" for getting offers from Iowa, Iowa State and South Dakota as a sophomore. It looks like recruiters are noticing him just not Iowa Sports Writers.

Flemister SC East: strictly from the west side would have made my 1st team, he put up great numbers finishing 6th in total offense and he did this on a very average team. westside rules I know with you living in Sioux City you're big on this kid, so in my opinion he was slightly overlooked. I can live with him making either 1st or 2nd.

Baker (TJ) his numbers do not warrant him making 2nd team defense, however I didn't get a chance to see this young talent play. That being said, his numbers differently warrant him making 2nd team offense and a strong argument for first team. I would have picked Baker 2nd team offense. So change his pick from defense to offense

Theobald (LC) I got to see Theobald along with Duggan play 3 times. Regular season state sack leader and 2nd in TFl still is 1st in sacks and 3rd in TFL despite getting knocked out of playoffs early. I would have had Theobald and Waggoner on my 1st team. Theobald not making any of the teams makes zero sense to me.

So westside rules, I'm not sure what to say other then it's not a perfect system and voters come unprepared. I am sure young players feel slighted and that's truly unfortunate. I would hope in the future the people in charge make certain those casting votes are prepared to do so.

As others have commented and it's an excellent idea, the voting needs to take place before the playoffs ever begin so everyone is on a level playing field with regards to stats ( however not sure they bothered to look at stats). Also the people in charge really do need to clarify what goes into the selections, that in itself may help people like me understand and accept the picks.

Just one mans view

DSM SportsFan

It appears that the All State teams are just another example of the power struggle of some schools to maintain dominance of the sport at the expense of ignoring more deserving student athletes who have proved to be better at specific positions. The disregard of the selection committee to not recognize the best players at each position is an insult to high school football players, fans and coaches in the state of Iowa.

The self satisfaction of some schools to have as many players listed (of which some are not deserving) and leave out players from other schools that have earned and deserve it, is nothing more than pure and simple greed!

As a sports fan I was truly hoping for equity in the process, I should of known better. I am very disappointed in the I.N.A and their selection criteria.

 

[El_Doce]

Not sure how anyone expects this to be less than subjective. It's more difficult than "guessing" at a top 10. Sure you might have a skilled position player that leads his team to the championship and leads in an offensive stat, that selection is easy, when you get to OL,DL, LB,DB it can only be subjective. Tackle charts and interception stats are not that telling about actual players. There will always be great players missed due to the team they play on, and possibly their coach and/or local paper don't really have force in the voting. At least boards like this can give some credit to those that get overlooked.

 

[DrainTheSwamp]

QB-Rocky Lombardi, West Des Moines Valley
QB-Devon Moore, Waterloo West
QB-Max Duggan, Lewis Central (SO)
RB-Joseph Meyer, Cedar Rapids Prairie
RB-Jacob Zachary, Dowling Catholic
RB-Cameron Baker, Council Bluffs Thomas Jefferson (SO)
RB-Jensen Gates, Centennial (JR)
WR-Oliver Martin, Iowa City West
WR-Drew Greenhaw, Muscatine
WR-Carlton Dodd, Waterloo West
WR-Trey Mosley, Fort Dodge (JR)
OL-Mark Kellenbarger, Bettendorf
OL-Alex Kleinow, Iowa City West
OL-Peter Nank, Dowling Catholic
OL-Zach Ross, Dowling Catholic (JR)
OL-Colin Newell, Ames
OL-Cole Webster, Bettendorf

DL-John Waggoner, Dowling Catholic (JR)
DL-Dante Theobald, Lewis Central (JR)
DL-Jake Morrison, Waukee (JR)
DL-Bedale Naba, West Des Moines Valley
LB-Colby Baugher, Ankeny
LB- Rory Walling, Des Moines East
LB-Kendell Jackson, Des Moines Roosevelt
LB-O'Rien Vance, Cedar Rapids Washington
DB-Frank Pinkovich, Council Bluffs Abe Lincoln
DB-Jake Pinegar, Ankeny Centennial
DB-Jack Koerner, Dowling Catholic
DB-Devontae Lane, Iowa City West

 

[HawkeyeDog]

DSM sports fan I respect your input, however there does need to be a fair balance from the Eastern Area Players. I agree Max Duggan is a very talented kid. However if you take in to consideration stats, Duggan finished 12 in passing yards with 15 td's. Johnny Sullivan a QB for Eastern Iowa led 4A in passing all season, even after playoff QBs played more games, and he led all classes after the regular season. He set the Eastern Iowa passing record and had 2,600 yards passing and 2,830 total leading both those stats. Close to 290 average a game in a very tough District 7. If you look at his tape he is very accurate even under constant pressure. He finished with 26 passing Td's with only 7 INTs in 292 attempts. Also a RB named Dot Combs from Davenport West played on a team in District 6 that didn't win a game yet he still finished 4th in rushing and was at 2nd before the playoffs began. Tough kid scrapping for yards with a mediocre O line at best, who played both sides of the ball. I also agree the Muscatine kid Drew Greenshaw was slighted as well. He was the state leader at the end of the season and had a better yards a catch average. He runs great routes and rarely drops the ball. Valley had a QB not even in the top 15 in 4A in passing yards, or completion percentage, and not in the top 5 in passing TD's with a higher INT rate, He made First team.???? Valley also had a receiver who only caught 34 balls for 429 yards and 5 TD's who made 2nd team, there were 40 receivers ahead of him with better stats?? How is that possible? I thought it was based on this years performance.? It seems the committee maybe were too political this year, let's hope they branch out and expand their horizons for other kids that work hard for next years ballot.

 

[DSM SPORTS FAN]

DSM sports fan I respect your input, however there does need to be a fair balance from the Eastern Area Players. I agree Max Duggan is a very talented kid. However if you take in to consideration stats, Duggan finished 12 in passing yards with 15 td's. Johnny Sullivan a QB for Eastern Iowa led 4A in passing all season, even after playoff QBs played more games, and he led all classes after the regular season. He set the Eastern Iowa passing record and had 2,600 yards passing and 2,830 total leading both those stats. Close to 290 average a game in a very tough District 7. If you look at his tape he is very accurate even under constant pressure. He finished with 26 passing Td's with only 7 INTs in 292 attempts. Also a RB named Dot Combs from Davenport West played on a team in District 6 that didn't win a game yet he still finished 4th in rushing and was at 2nd before the playoffs began. Tough kid scrapping for yards with a mediocre O line at best, who played both sides of the ball. I also agree the Muscatine kid Drew Greenshaw was slighted as well. He was the state leader at the end of the season and had a better yards a catch average. He runs great routes and rarely drops the ball. Valley had a QB not even in the top 15 in 4A in passing yards, or completion percentage, and not in the top 5 in passing TD's with a higher INT rate, He made First team.???? Valley also had a receiver who only caught 34 balls for 429 yards and 5 TD's who made 2nd team, there were 40 receivers ahead of him with better stats?? How is that possible? I thought it was based on this years performance.? It seems the committee maybe were too political this year, let's hope they branch out and expand their horizons for other kids that work hard for next years ballot.

I have heard of all the players you listed, I wish I could have watched them play this year, they all seem very deserving. I agree voters really miss good players playing on average or not so good teams and that's a shame. They all need to get a second hard look!

I use Duggan and Theobald as 2 players I watched 3 times this past year so I can easily discuss their good and bad and westside rules listed them in his question to me by name. As I stated I am not slighting the east at all, I simply don't have the knowledge to comment like I do with the west side, it would be unfair to the east players. I do know that if we're talking only west side then both of these guys should have been picked and in my opinion and it's only my opinion Theobald should have been 1st team defense and Duggan 2 or 3rd team.
At the end of the day we all can agree that some special players and good young men probably got a raw deal, we can't fix that this year but for god sakes lets address if before next year.

 

[HawkeyeDog]

I have heard of all the players you listed, I wish I could have watched them play this year they all seem very deserving. I agree voters really miss good players and not so good teams and that's a shame.
I use Duggan and Theobald as 2 players I watched 3 times this past year so I can easily discuss their good and bad and because westside rules listed them in his question to me by name. As I stated I am not slighting the east at all, I simply don't have the knowledge to comment like I do with the west side. I do know that if we're talking only west side then both of these guys should have been picked and in my opinion and it's only my opinion Theobald should have been 1st team defense and Duggan 2 or 3rd team.
At the end of the day we all can agree that some special players and good young men probably got a raw deal, we can't fix that this year but for god sakes lets address if before next year.

Since you are from Central Iowa what are your thoughts on Rocky L selected first team QB? Yes he is athletic and talented but I believe the selection should be based on over all performance for THIS year and the talent that surrounds you or lack of talent surrounding you to judge performance. Valley performed just as well with the backup. I know Devon Moore from Waterloo West was still first team as "Utility" but he also performed better than Rocky this year. Did his previous year and high profile help?

 

[portpro]

Since you are from Central Iowa what are your thoughts on Rocky L selected first team QB? Yes he is athletic and talented but I believe the selection should be based on over all performance for THIS year and the talent that surrounds you or lack of talent surrounding you to judge performance. Valley performed just as well with the backup. I know Devon Moore from Waterloo West was still first team as "Utility" but he also performed better than Rocky this year. Did his previous year and high profile help?

Using a hypothetical situation; how would Lombardi, Sullivan, Duggan, Moore, Wieland and Hawkins perform on any of the other guys teams. I think with each teams supporting cast one guy really stands out with regard to athleticism and overall Q.B skills. Using stats is one way to measure ability, but keep in mind that the number of quarters played, level of competition you're going against and who you're playing with are very relative.

Finally, 4 of the six have Division 1 offers. Two of the six have multiple Power 5 offers. The college coaches recruiting these guys get paid millions of dollars as coaches to evaluate these Q.B's and to me that says a lot about who they feel are the best Q.B's in the state! Lombardi and Duggan.

 

[DSM SPORTS FAN]

Since you are from Central Iowa what are your thoughts on Rocky L selected first team QB? Yes he is athletic and talented but I believe the selection should be based on over all performance for THIS year and the talent that surrounds you or lack of talent surrounding you to judge performance. Valley performed just as well with the backup. I know Devon Moore from Waterloo West was still first team as "Utility" but he also performed better than Rocky this year. Did his previous year and high profile help?

Wow that is a great question and hard for me answer as I respect him as a QB and I hear a fine young man. I do think that players enter the season with voters having an opinion on them before they play a single down based on prior years play, like how many fans vote the baseball All-Star Game based on prior years play or name recognition
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Unfortunately writers voting have little to base their votes on beyond stats unless they are like me and go to different games all the time. I would venture 80% have no idea who the players even are and only went to their local H.S. Games however they may recognize a Rocky due to the press he gets and probably deserves. I would have Rocky on one of the teams not sure without seeing the east kids if he would have been first or not. Sorry being vague out of respect for the east side players

What I like a lot about Rocky is how he reads the defense, the games I watched he went through his progressions better then anyone I watched this year, many times throwing to option B or C. He also uses the pocket better then anyone else I watched.

In Summary yes high profile, location and team without question gives players an advantage however I would have him on one of my teams.

 

[westside rules]

Mystery Solved, how could these people vote on 6 classes of players and know anything about anyone. Glad the coaches on the list were there to guide them down the right path!

Here are the selection committee and coaches/staff that apparently provide "statistical information".



2016 INA ALL-STATE FOOTBALL TEAMS ANNOUNCED

DES MOINES, IA – The Iowa Newspaper Association announced its 2016 All-State Football selections Tuesday, naming honorary captains in classes A, 1A, 2A, 3A, 4A and 8-Man.

Sports writers serving on the INA selection committee which made the team selections were: Corey Meints, Ackley World Journal; Greg Grabianowski, Algona Upper Des Moines; Daryl Schepanski, Anamosa Journal-Eureka; K.J. Pilcher, Cedar Rapids Gazette; Kyle Ocker, Centerville Daily Iowegian; Kelly DeVore, Central City Linn News-Letter; Kaleb Carter, Creston News Advertiser; Ryan Kronberg, Creston News Advertiser; Matt Coss, Davenport Quad-City Times; Todd Danner, Denison Bulletin; Ross Eberhart, DeWitt Observer; Dan Voigt, Emmetsburg Publishing; Bruce Thein, Guttenberg Press; Kristi Nixon, Hampton Chronicle; Mike Oeffner, Harlan Newspapers; Bruce Odson, Hawarden Independent (via phone); Mike Helle, Knoxville Journal-Express; Stephen Koenigsfeld, Marshalltown Times-Republican; Adam Ring, Marshalltown Times-Republican; Ross Thede, Marshalltown Times-Republican; Blake Schultz, Mason City Globe Gazette; Jake Ryder, Mid-America Publishing; Matt Gengler, Missouri Valley Times-News; Pete Temple, Monticello Express; Troy Hyde, Newton Daily News; Lori Wiser, Ocheyedan Press-Melvin News; Jake Jenkins, Oskaloosa Herald; John Jensen, Parkersburg Eclipse-News-Review; Perry Bell, Pella Chronicle; Dale Wegner, Sac City Sun; Jeff Budlong, Sioux City Journal and Troy Banning, Webster City Daily Freeman-Journal.

The following coaches and representatives of the Iowa Football Coaches Association assisted with statistical information: Jerry Staton, Albia; Rick Nelson, Ankeny; Andy Umthum, ELC; Aaron Shipley, Grinnell; Brian Webb, Cedar Rapids Jefferson; Duane Schulte; Cedar Rapids Xavier; Bill Shafer, Central Springs; P.J. Hedrington, Des Moines Roosevelt; Tom Wilson, Dowling Catholic; Chris Visser, Glenwood; Kreg Lensch, Glidden-Ralston; Gabe Tardive, LeMars; Mike Parkinson, Lynnville-Sully; David Kuhl, Maple Valley; Brian Wilken, Newell-Fonda; Steve Shantz, Nodaway Valley; Lyle Alumbaugh, Panorama; Aaron Stensland, Roland-Story; Aaron Allspach, Twin Cedars; Cameron Parker, Twin Cedars; Sam Anderson, Urbandale; Gary Swenson, Valley West Des Moines; Steve Milder, West Central; Cody Hackett, West Marshall and George Ashman, Woodward-Granger.

6 oldtimefootball, Today at 12:50 PM

 

[HawkeyeDog]

Wow that is a great question and hard for me answer as I respect him as a QB and I hear a fine young man. I do think that players enter the season with voters having an opinion on them before they play a single down based on prior years play, like how many fans vote the baseball All-Star Game based on prior years play or name recognition
.
Unfortunately writers voting have little to base their votes on beyond stats unless they are like me and go to different games all the time. I would venture 80% have no idea who the players even are and only went to their local H.S. Games however they may recognize a Rocky due to the press he gets and probably deserves. I would have Rocky on one of the teams not sure without seeing the east kids if he would have been first or not. Sorry being vague out of respect for the east side players

What I like a lot about Rocky is how he reads the defense, the games I watched he went through his progressions better then anyone I watched this year, many times throwing to option B or C. He also uses the pocket better then anyone else I watched.

In Summary yes high profile, location and team without question gives players an advantage however I would have him on one of my teams.

Thank you for the fair response! I agree most HS QBs are not capable of making solid reads and progressions. They pick their receiver and stick with it, open or not. That's what I like about Johnny Sullivan from Clinton, even with intense pressure you could see him go through progressions ,sometimes going with his third option or 4th option, When we played him we blitzed a lot and our D is really good, and he still shredded us, even with tight coverage. We did shut down Soko from Muscatine, so I thought better options were deserved at RB. To be clear I am not taking anything away from these kids, just questioning the why...

 

[HawkeyeDog]

Using a hypothetical situation; how would Lombardi, Sullivan, Duggan, Moore, Wieland and Hawkins perform on any of the other guys teams. I think with each teams supporting cast one guy really stands out with regard to athleticism and overall Q.B skills. Using stats is one way to measure ability, but keep in mind that the number of quarters played, level of competition you're going against and who you're playing with are very relative.

Finally, 4 of the six have Division 1 offers. Two of the six have multiple Power 5 offers. The college coaches recruiting these guys get paid millions of dollars as coaches to evaluate these Q.B's and to me that says a lot about who they feel are the best Q.B's in the state! Lombardi and Duggan.

I didn't think the awards were based on potential and ability!!?? Sure colleges think they are great and they have the talent. But was the performance measurable. That was my concern, you can't hand an Allstate honor just based on potential and offers that's not fair to the others who produced, especially on teams without the supporting cast like you eluded to. Put some of those kids on a higher profile team and would they even performed better? We don't know? But the honors should go to those who performed well THIS season, not what they are capable of, where in sports is the best skilled player automatically handed the top honor without the production? It shouldn't happen.

 

[wasgoodatonetime]

Best criteria I can think of for choosing all state teams would be like a draft. Who would you build a team around? That being said I think they got it right. Duggan no doubt is good and will be better and its his potential that has the D1's salivating right now. I'd take those other guys right now though.

 

[WhyNot14]

Stats are not the final say. Some of these QB didn't play the entire game. Some of the QB played the entire game and had to pass because they were losing. You can't look at stats.

 

[HawkeyeDog]

Using a hypothetical situation; how would Lombardi, Sullivan, Duggan, Moore, Wieland and Hawkins perform on any of the other guys teams. I think with each teams supporting cast one guy really stands out with regard to athleticism and overall Q.B skills. Using stats is one way to measure ability, but keep in mind that the number of quarters played, level of competition you're going against and who you're playing with are very relative.

Finally, 4 of the six have Division 1 offers. Two of the six have multiple Power 5 offers. The college coaches recruiting these guys get paid millions of dollars as coaches to evaluate these Q.B's and to me that says a little ot about who they feel are the best Q.B's in the state! Lombardi and Duggan.

Sometimes those millionaire coaches get it wrong, quite often they do. Do you really believe Lombardi will play QB at Michigan State? He is a stud and a hell of an athlete but I'll venture to say they won't use him as a QB. As for Duggan

Stats are not the final say. Some of these QB didn't play the entire game. Some of the QB played the entire game and had to pass because they were losing. You can't look at stats.

Yes, this is true. But if they really looked at the stats for this important decision they can see who is consistent each week which may help tell the story and help with their voting. But I'm more concerned that they didn't even watch any of these kids play, and the impact they had on their team, with the exception of Centrally located players.

 

[Qune]

Stats are not the final say. Some of these QB didn't play the entire game. Some of the QB played the entire game and had to pass because they were losing. You can't look at stats.

This ^

Example: Valley vs Lewis Central

 

[HawkeyeDog]

Yes but at QB position if you really look at all around stats combined with how good or bad the O Line is for protection it will help tell the story, and For example , did the ball get spread around or was it mainly only one target. scratching my head on the Lombardi pick at one. His top receiver ranked 40th in 4A in yards??? And what will happen to the team if they do not play, Valley might have the same record, the still dominated when he was on the bench for a game. I am not saying he is may or may not be the overall best talent at QB in the state, I am just saying he wasn't the best compared to others with their teams and production THIS season. Too many Central team players made it and the outskirts hard work got overlooked , plain and simple.

 

[Duck15]

Just a question for DSM Sportsfan Fan what about the Mosley kid from Fort Dodge. Averaged 8 catches per game (only played 8) almost 94 yds a game had 7Tds. I think those numbers rank him in top 5 in receptions and yardage even at end of playoffs.
Maybe a top 3 team guy but not sure never had a chance to see him play this year but watched him vs Waukee last year and looked really explosive as a Soph.

 

[HawkeyeDog]

Just a question for DSM Sportsfan Fan what about the Mosley kid from Fort Dodge. Averaged 8 catches per game (only played 8) almost 94 yds a game had 7Tds. I think those numbers rank him in top 5 in receptions and yardage even at end of playoffs.
Maybe a top 3 team guy but not sure never had a chance to see him play this year but watched him vs Waukee last year and looked really explosive as a Soph.

I too think it's a Great question,, he has 64 receptions too, finished 5th in total yards.. Fort Fodge, Hoover and Clinton all had 2 receivers in the top 20, and I know I have said this on other Posts, but then how does Hinkle from Valley who had less than 500 yards, not even in the top 40 and only 5 TDs make 2nd team?? If you follow tweets around the state a lot of questions and upset kids, team mates and followers and rightfully so. Again my opinion, but it seems shared,, they got it wrong on some glaring selections. I'm sure he is a good kid but someone on the committee was really in Valleys corner.

 

[dubco reviews]

I too think it's a Great question,, he has 64 receptions too, finished 5th in total yards.. Fort Fodge, Hoover and Clinton all had 2 receivers in the top 20, and I know I have said this on other Posts, but then how does Hinkle from Valley who had less than 500 yards, not even in the top 40 and only 5 TDs make 2nd team?? If you follow tweets around the state a lot of questions and upset kids, team mates and followers and rightfully so. Again my opinion, but it seems shared,, they got it wrong on some glaring selections. I'm sure he is a good kid but someone on the committee was really in Valleys corner.

Agreed, this makes absolutely no sense, the only reasonable explanation for something like this would be if a kid had these numbers as a tight end which I think is outrageous that there is no spot for tight ends on this list

 

[DSM SPORTS FAN]

Just a question for DSM Sportsfan Fan what about the Mosley kid from Fort Dodge. Averaged 8 catches per game (only played 8) almost 94 yds a game had 7Tds. I think those numbers rank him in top 5 in receptions and yardage even at end of playoffs.
Maybe a top 3 team guy but not sure never had a chance to see him play this year but watched him vs Waukee last year and looked really explosive as a Soph.

This is what I said about Mosley when I picked him as a member on my "Years Top Performers" list:

Mosley (Jr Fort Dodge) One of the top receivers in the State, has the speed to get to the end-zone ( 7 times with a long of 78 yards) . Top tier receiver in both catches 1st in 4A and total yards 4th in 4A while averaging 11.7 yards a reception He’s a young man I didn’t get to see however his stats are very impressive and had to be on this list.

Yes, Mosley he would have made my list