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I've been to a number of St Eds sporting events in my life. Some against my school and sometimes just to go to see a game. Yes, i have seen them in the dome and also down at principal park. In basketball I have witnessed the ST eds team, with a nice lead, cruise to the end of the game by passing the ball around or dribbling out the clock. In baseball I have witnessed them go from stealing ALOT of bases, to not running when they get a comfortable lead on a team. Both ways to throttle the horses. Yet they decided not to do that Friday night in football. I am not the problem. The problem was St eds completing a 2 pt conversion attempt up 73 points. If you guys truly cant see that you need to take your sunglasses off.
First of all, St. Eds does not have a 2nd string field goal lineup. Their starting offense came back on the field for every extra point, all game long. Their starting QB #14 was their holder for all 10 extra points. He caught the snap, but the ball wasn't placed on the tee correctly, and he ran the fire call. St. Eds did run their complete 2nd team for the entire 2nd half with the exception of one player on defense and 2 players on offense, one of which was the backup QB who is also their weak side TE. Newman is bad... and didn't have good play calling to top it off. They threw at least 2 interceptions inside the 10 yard line.
I actually figured some of you on here would enjoy hearing about a private school beating up on another private school.
Lol, no I just wanted to see how you would react to that, first. (That's actually true.)
Between you and spook, the one thing I'll concede is that I don't know which of you jumps to conclusions faster.
So let's break it down then. Do you have a problem with it ONLY because 2-pts were scored? Or do you have a problem with them finishing the play, which ended up resulting in 2 pts?
Hypothetical scenario....what if the kick had been blocked backwards and in the scramble for the ball it gets knocked around and ends up in the endzone, would you prefer that the Gael players just let Newman recover it, and potentially return it, because if SE were to recover it, it would result in 2 more pts for the Gaels anyways?
That's simply to prove whether your issue is only that they scored 2 or if you took issue with how they went about scoring the 2.
Oh and like I said, the Newman coaches don't care. Why do you? (I know the answer, but you don't want to explain it to everyone else. It's understandable.)
sorry, im dealing in facts. not a hypothetical. your example did not happen.. What I have been talking about, did happen .Its public record and a stat. were you sick the day/week/year they talked about compassion in religion class ? As my wife says its a FACT that it was taught.
Here is what I saw last Friday night. I do not think any one wanted to watch or see a 75-0. This really does not help get SE better. In fact, it may have hurt them because it came so easily. By no means did this help them prepare fot their biggest rival this week, NW Manson. This is what I know. Newman was playing 3-5-3 defense against the Gaels, no exactly a defense you want to play against SE. It was only the second time they had played this defense that I know of. It was also one of the worest tackling performances I have ever seen. The reason the Gaels had so many rushing yards was because SE players were running through all their defensive players. I can not begin to tell you how many times the Gael players were not tackled because of poor tackling form. They often ran through arm tackles and what not. When a freshman scores on the other teams starting defense that says something about how they schemed the other team. I cal also tell that players from both teams where helping each other up and slapping the guy on the but. That happened during the entire game. If you look at game tape you will see just how poorly the Knights played defense. The Gaels scored a lot of points but I know many people almost felt like it was a loss, not a lot of cheering in the parking lot after the game.
My bad on an earlier post, I said it was the backup quart back that threw the two conversion. It was the first string qb as many people have noted.
So, if you want an apology , i'll say I am sorry. It is not a score you look up at and feel real good about.
My bad on an earlier post, I said it was the backup quart back that threw the two conversion. It was the first string qb as many people have noted.
So, if you want an apology , i'll say I am sorry. It is not a score you look up at and feel real good about.
For what it's worth, I can't recall any games we had with St. Ed's being anything but good clean battles. Their coaches and players did not at any time seem to lack class.
I don't know what the current situation is at Newman, but I am SURE they will rebound. Of that I have no doubt.
I am a supporter of public education, while respecting private schools' right to co-exist. With that said, THE 11TH COMMANDMENT WAS HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know what the current situation is at Newman, but I am SURE they will rebound. Of that I have no doubt.
I am a supporter of public education, while respecting private schools' right to co-exist. With that said, THE 11TH COMMANDMENT WAS HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by ghost80:
(I didn't respond to it right away because most of this was your standard ghost80 soapbox grandstanding. Most meaning that there are some fair points people can take away from it. I will give you that.)
This problem pops up every year and it doesn't take rocket science to solve it.
First this a non conference game. I realize the scheduling is done every 2 years and SE is already committed for next year SO the SE AD watches the game next year and if Newman isn't competitive.....they're off the schedule. SE does have a choice whether they play Newman. (They do. But this is also a very down year by Newman's standards. They even beat St. Ed's a few years ago and have been to the playoffs numerous times over the years, including trips to the Dome. I didn't want to get too long in my scores post, but I actually had some good things to say about this Newman team for the future. They only lose 6 seniors though most are their main current contributors. Wadle, their WR, is their best athlete and they need to keep finding ways to get him the ball while he's still got eligibility. I think they found their niche in the passing game, they just need to keep developing it. Newman had several opportunities to score in this game particularly late, but just came up short.)
Thunder, you stated, "what is SE supposed to do...run dives"? YES! That is exactly what SE should have resorted to doing when even their subs scored on them. (I would've figured you knew what I meant, and maybe you did and just decided to blast on anyways, but again what is SE's offense? My point was about effort (that's what I meant). Not giving effort and conceding plays and possessions is arguably as embarrassing as getting a ton of points scored on you.)
I'm not suggesting that Boone change the mercy rule but I have seen a youth league that their mercy rule is this. The team with the large lead MUST execute running plays only on offense and the plays MUST be between tackles (set position). Any offensive plays outside of the tackles results in an illegal procedure call. When that situation happens the box gets stacked and that is the end of the problem.
Basically running inside running plays have been used by coaches at all levels forever when a game has gotten out of hand and/or a coach wants to kill time and make it be done. Coaches have instructed players NOT to bounce it out but keep it in the middle of the field. It used to be common under the old 50 pt mercy rule for coaches to run dives and avoid scoring to prolong the game and allow kids more play time. (I understand what you're saying, and it's not fair to assume what plays SE was running. But the defense still has to make the tackles, especially when it's JV players and other backups out there who may otherwise never/rarely see the field. Aside from the kick return (which was right up the middle of the field), SE scored 3 other times in the 2nd half. One on a FB dive, and one on a run by a freshman. The other was a QB keeper.)
Hind site is always 20/20 but IMO here is what a coach should do.
1. If it really is a mismatch pull the starters before the mercy. If you aren't very deep or have many kids that are physically ready to play varsity then shuffle the kids around and have them play a different position they can safely play. If you are worried your starters aren't getting enough work..let them play defense AND dump the team from your schedule if you can.
2. If your 2nd string and lower scores it is time to play them out of position OR begin running dives. The kids know they can score plus at least they will stay out on the field. If the team being mercied scores then the coach has the option that he can begin running his normal offense again. When you start running dives the other coach will figure it out and likely stack the box.
SE found out it isn't fun for either team when this situation happens but there are definitely things that can be done to put a bad game to rest. It can also still be a learning experience for all. Coach T has control of his players and if he told them to run dives.....they would have. ( /soapbox....)[/B]
During the regular season, I believe there is. I'm not gonna recount the number of teams in different sports whose final games' stats I wanted to look at, but were never added. And since they never were, I can only assume the State does little to nothing about it.
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