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You should know what you're talking about before making statements like this. The lineman you speak of grew up living in Johnston, parents divorced, went to DCG with his mom, his father died and she decided to move back to Johnston. Trust me, it's not the same.We recruit all our students, we recruit band and chorus students as well, why wouldn't he want to come to the best team money can buy, funny nobody seems to say anything when Johnston gets an All State D Lineman from DCG, blah, blah, blah................
Depends on "how" they're getting kids to come there. As one who sent their kids to Catholic schools a number of years for the purpose of strengthening faith formation (which must first start and finish at home BTW), then fine. If parents in the DM metro area think DCHS is doing a better job than their public HS educating, it's perhaps safer or they want a Catholic centered education and they have the means (or can receive subsidies) to pay the tution, good, do it.But with that being said, I have no problem with Dowling and how they get kids to come to school there. It's a private institution and in a sense they recruit every kid that goes to school there. And I'm not saying that as a bad thing. i don't blame anyone for going to Dowling, it's a fine scholastic institution.
If true, Dowling should be ashamed...let alone the judgement of whoever was involved in making such a decision (not like he wasn't getting sufficient D1 exposure).
Curious how the SEP players feel about this.
Not being from the DM area, I will take your word (about SEP wrestling). Which leads me to the second part of the question, Is this (or should it be) acceptable?This Dowling situation is no different than SEP wrestling, I highly doubt the coaches are actively recruiting these kids. These kids aspire for greater success, see the proven results, and want to get better so transfer. It has happened at Dowling forever and most recently at SEP for wrestling.
If true, Dowling should be ashamed...let alone the judgement of whoever was involved in making such a decision (not like he wasn't getting sufficient D1 exposure).
Curious how the SEP players feel about this.
I don't think Dowling feels ashamed at all. The common perception is that they have no shame in getting these kids. It is a private school, so the entire metro area is their 'district.' Gavin Williams goes to SE Polk, apparently he grew up with many of them, has most of his friends at SE Polk, has major D-1 offers, but for some reason feels he has to go to Dowling? I guess I miss the draw here. I'm old, and the idea that you leave that for the possibility of a state championship on a different team seems weird.
...and I don't hold anything against any kids at Dowling. They're good kids.
If he goes now, he will be eligible before the district track meetHold on a transfer from in state to a private school also faces a 90 day waiting period as well.
I don't think Dowling feels ashamed at all. The common perception is that they have no shame in getting these kids. It is a private school, so the entire metro area is their 'district.' Gavin Williams goes to SE Polk, apparently he grew up with many of them, has most of his friends at SE Polk, has major D-1 offers, but for some reason feels he has to go to Dowling? I guess I miss the draw here. I'm old, and the idea that you leave that for the possibility of a state championship on a different team seems weird.
My concern with private schools is that there is no geographic boundary. This kid from SE Polk can transfer to Dowling without any consequences. But if he transferred to another public school, he would have to sit 90 days of varsity competition, unless he physically moved there. How many public school boundaries will he be driven through to get to Dowling? I know of some kids driving 30 or more miles to get to a private school.
How are the rules the same? He won't have to sit out 90 days of varsity competition. If he transferred to Valley he would. Can you think of any family traveling over 30 miles one way to go to a public school?The rules are the same public or private. Not sure where your misconception of the rule comes from.
How are the rules the same? He won't have to sit out 90 days of varsity competition. If he transferred to Valley he would. Can you think of any family traveling over 30 miles one way to go to a public school?
I think you missed the sarcasm in my post. I do know the situation I referenced which is why I was posting as if I was a typical Dowling person and echoing the nonsense they would spew about the original topic... which you basically did by saying 'it's a private institution and in a sense they recruit every kid'.You should know what you're talking about before making statements like this. The lineman you speak of grew up living in Johnston, parents divorced, went to DCG with his mom, his father died and she decided to move back to Johnston. Trust me, it's not the same.
But with that being said, I have no problem with Dowling and how they get kids to come to school there. It's a private institution and in a sense they recruit every kid that goes to school there. And I'm not saying that as a bad thing. i don't blame anyone for going to Dowling, it's a fine scholastic institution.
I think you missed the sarcasm in my post. I do know the situation I referenced which is why I was posting as if I was a typical Dowling person and echoing the nonsense they would spew about the original topic... which you basically did by saying 'it's a private institution and in a sense they recruit every kid'.
As have others in in thread. When you have the ability to grant scholarships in exchange for play.. you are playing by different rules than everybody else. Dowling kids are good kids, well coached, work hard, etc. The players who walked in to Dowling as freshman 4 years ago (this years' Seniors) would NOT have won a State Championship a few weeks ago.
Does he have to pay tuition? If so, why would you pay for 1 year of football when you are already getting offers?
I spoke to a dad of a Dowling player at work today, he sure got quiet and wanted to change the subject real quick when I brought up the latest two transfers. How did he say it, "coaches don't actively recruit, but Wilson sure doesn't close any doors."
I’m not a big parochial guy by any means but how is Wilson sacrificing his integrity? Is he supposed to not let these transfers on his team? Not play them? I don’t agree with kids/parents transferring for sports but Wilson isn’t doing anything wrong as I see. I really doubt he or his staff approaches these really good players to come to Dowling."There's something wrong with your character if opportunity controls your loyalty."
What Dowling does is legal, but it takes all value away from what they accomplish. Their banners aren't worth the cloth their printed on. They are a joke. It's a shame too, Wilson is a great coach and would have a great program without sacrificing his integrity.
I don't like kids transferring any more or less than anyone else.
But..
1. Dowling isn't recruiting these kids. Their reputation is.
2. Its competition. If you don't like it, make your program better. Give kids a reason to stay.
3. For all those complaining about Dowling...you would feel much different if he showed up to your door steps wanting to enroll....i.e. Valley, Both Ankeneys, Waukee, Johnston....
4. In this day and age, with our culture....it will become more common.
Let's say for argument's sake DHS isn't "recruiting" any of their student athletes or using athletic scholarships to incentivize their decision. The cost to attend DHS for one year: Tuition for the 2018-2019 school year is $7,986 plus fees for parish-participating families and $11,176 plus fees for non-participating families.
I'm going out on a limb here and will assume many of these rumored transfers (if not all) are not parish-participating families, which means they're required to commit in excess of $11k to attend DHS. If you've got the resources and it's that important to you, knock yourself out. However, if you're not actually paying the $8-11k tuition, it's being subsidized...you are no different than the kid with a scholarship to "name your college", just be honest about what's truly going on, that's all.
This quote sounds like the lyrics from a bad song, but the greeting card philosophy behind this post is hilarious. Loyalty? To a bureaucratic entity like a public school district? That should trump the opportunity to improve as a student or musician or actor or singer or athlete? That is some pretty high-level thinking there skippy."There's something wrong with your character if opportunity controls your loyalty."
What Dowling does is legal, but it takes all value away from what they accomplish. Their banners aren't worth the cloth their printed on. They are a joke. It's a shame too, Wilson is a great coach and would have a great program without sacrificing his integrity.
Again.....who cares. It's a 17 year old kid playing football somewhere in high school. Why are people creating such a big deal out of this??
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This quote sounds like the lyrics from a bad song, but the greeting card philosophy behind this post is hilarious. Loyalty? To a bureaucratic entity like a public school district?
That should trump the opportunity to improve as a student or musician or actor or singer or athlete? That is some pretty high-level thinking there skippy.
So, if you live in a public school district it's disloyal to go to a private school when the opportunity presents itself? So all those kids attending Roman Catholic schools in Polk County are disloyal to Des Moines, West Des Moines, Johnston, Waukee, etc.? You guys still get our tax money, isn't that all you want anyway? You use our money to build new high schools that look like junior colleges and pay for a bloated payroll that dwarfs the resources at my private school and its disloyal for me to walk away from all that and pay tuition for my kids to go elsewhere? You're going to have to connect the dots for me because that makes no sense at all.