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[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by captainamerica18:
It is a weak argument to claim that somebody is good at something today because they were good at it in the past.

It's funny you mention that because...well you're the only one that's mentioned that.

se xc was talking about his consistency and track record, which includes both past AND present. You took part of what he said and made your own argument out of it.........

So I agree. Makes no sense.

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by captainamerica18:
No, I'd rather they challenge my criticism with something a little stronger than what is currently being used to do so.

Good, so now that we've established that, we can move to the next step.

When people disagree with you, you may not like what they say. However, dismissing what they say is not the same as them being incorrect (or correct either).

You can dismiss their comments and ask for something better all you want. Doesn't necessarily make them wrong. Deal with it.

hey Pot, have you met Kettle?

 

[captainamerica18]

Blame, if you are saying that I am the kettle to DT's pot, we've got some issues. I can't believe I've done anything to deserve such intense insults hurled my way.

 

[GoingDeep410]

Moving Peed to fullback was a brilliant idea. He hardly touched the ball last year. This year he gets 10 to 15 carries a game. His blocking for O'Tool has been exceptional.

 

[cyard31]

is Peed getting any College offers, He is a quality receiver/athlete with size & skill?

 

[cidhawkeye]

Cyard, don't interrupt a good pissing match with a legitimate question.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
Cyard, don't interrupt a good pissing match with a legitimate question.

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[hawk44ever]

Why do most of these threads turn into a St. Ed's squabble? Let's just say the best 4 teams left in 1A are at the dome and Regina is the heavy favorite to win. SE is not the most talented team in the field and they did not have the hardest route to the dome, but neither did some of the other teams. Personally, I thought 1A football was down this year and 4 good teams made it to the dome. It worked. SE will never throw the ball a lot . Trivia question. What SE QB has thrown for the most yards under Tighe? No idea but I'm sure it wasn't much.

 

[hawk44ever]

I decided to answer my own trivia question, if quikstats is correct, could not go back past 2007

Yards passing by St. EDs by year:

2014- 556
2013- 597
2012- 599
2011- 683
2010- 614
2009- 358
2008- 1,250
2007- 524

I am not sure what happened in 2008, maybe Tighe had a stroke or something But 500-600 yards passing is usually the average for a year (except 2008).

 

[Greenvapor]

Captain America, where you at the game last Friday against SSC? If you where, O'Tool literally did take over that game over and dominate for the last 15 minutes or so. Any one at that game will tell you that. O'Tool also plays on defense made some great hits as well. When O'Tool took over that game, the rest of the team responded as well. Yes, O'Tool dominated that game and he isn't even 100%, maybe 75%, at this point in the season, and still is a dominate back.

 

[Rocket98]

West Lyon Passing Yards
2014- 519

*2013-
852

2012-
424

2011-
649
*2010- 751

*Won state titles

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Rocket98:

West Lyon Passing Yards
2014- 519

*2013-
852

2012-
424

2011-
649
*2010- 751

*Won state titles

But but but you need to be a spread offense or at least be noticeably balanced statistically with your pass and run to win state championships....These numbers below 900 yards simply won't do. It's like you're not even trying!!! GOSH.

Right, Pine?

 

[Pinehawk]

Right. Against better competition you aren't likely going to be able to run your way back into a game if you fall behind. We saw it in last years Championship game.

 

[Spook 78]

an interesting stat might be.....how many yards passing by the winning team in the championship game for say the last 10 years.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Right. Against better competition you aren't likely going to be able to run your way back into a game if you fall behind. We saw it in last years Championship game.

Then how did West Lyon win 2 state titles in a 4 year span with a run-dominant offense? The other teams just not as good? Not Regina?

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by hawk44ever:

I decided to answer my own trivia question, if quikstats is correct, could not go back past 2007

Yards passing by St. EDs by year:

2014- 556
2013- 597
2012- 599
2011- 683
2010- 614
2009- 358
2008- 1,250
2007- 524

I am not sure what happened in 2008, maybe Tighe had a stroke or something But 500-600 yards passing is usually the average for a year (except 2008).

SE had arguably it's best passing QB of the Tighe era in John Engler. 61-110 with 10 TDs to 2 INTs. Also had multiple weapons to throw to. Fast WR, a big physical TE, and a D1 track recruit at RB. Their run game was pretty balanced too. Three different backs with 10+ touchdown runs. Though I'd say these last two SE teams have had slightly more dominant run games and to be honest, there isn't much difference in terms of their size on the OL, between '08 and '13-'14.

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Right. Against better competition you aren't likely going to be able to run your way back into a game if you fall behind. We saw it in last years Championship game.

Then how did West Lyon win 2 state titles in a 4 year span with a run-dominant offense? The other teams just not as good? Not Regina?

Pine is saying that if your team is down 3 TD in the 3rd quarter, and you are a 90% running team, you are not built to come back.

West Lyon 2013: was ahead 42-7 at half.
West Lyon 2010: won 42-0

-- so, WL didn't have to throw or make a comeback. Which is what Pine was saying if you would actually read before responding.

 

[Pinehawk]

Correct. And, you're more likely to be able to get away with that in the lower classes. West Lyon had success in Class A with that formula. There is a reason you see less one dimensional offenses as you move up through the classes.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Spook 78:

an interesting stat might be.....how many yards passing by the winning team in the championship game for say the last 10 years.

I'll just stick with the 1A champs since this is the 1A board.

I'll try to find stats from 2004-2007, but the State archives only go back to 2008. Quikstats did have box scores in 2007, but CB St. Albert never posted (QUICK, CALL GHOST!!!). Anywho.....



2013- Regina (16/16 202 yds 1 TD; of 431 total).....196/287 2,661 yds 23 TDs, 4 INTs
2012- Regina (17/25 297 yds 2 TDs, 1 INT; of 383 total).....159/256 2,635 yds 33 TDs, 7 INTs
2011- Saint Ansgar (0/1 0 yds; of 234 total).....35/72 501 yds 8 TDs, 5 INTs
2010- West Lyon (4/4 106 yds 1 TD; of 323 total).....48/72 732 yds 8 TDs, 4 INTs
2009- CB St. Albert (10/16 96 yds 2 INTs; of 374 total).....133/213 2,125 yds 30 TDs, 7 INTs
2008- Emmetsburg (3/8 29 yds; of 176 total).....27/55 659 yds 10 TDs, 2 INTs
2007- CB St. Albert (???)
2006- CB St. Albert (6/10 74 yds; of 232 total)
2005- Regina (???)
2004- CB St. Albert (???)

- Championship game stats in (), season totals are after.....

So, thus far, Regina seems to be the only team that really put up big numbers passing. West Lyon did too, with 4 completions for 106 yds, however that is only similar to what SE does with their passing game, more often than not, and not a case where passing is a truly normal part of their offensive game plan to have a balanced attack.

I'm assuming the 2007 CBSA team will look somewhat similar to their 2009 counterpart because of Jake Waters being the QB for both seasons. That seems to be the biggest difference between these other years and the three 2,000+ yd outliers. It's all about the QBs. CBSA had Jake Waters in 2009, and Regina has their system, and Drew Cook for 2013 and this season. (I know the QB before Cook was good, but didn't know where he ended up, though I assume at the next level).

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Correct. And, you're more likely to be able to get away with that in the lower classes. (uhh huh....) West Lyon had success in Class A with that formula. There is a reason you see less one dimensional offenses as you move up through the classes. (......uhh huuuhhhh............)

Thanks for basically repeating my argument....we just look at it from two different sides.

And Regina is one of those programs that doesn't treat itself like a smaller class program.

So maybe now you can understand why I have reservations when you question why other smaller class teams don't act like larger class programs........just sayin.

No, it doesn't mean they can't do it (though some really can't).....but then it's like you said in this quote directly above me.

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Correct. And, you're more likely to be able to get away with that in the lower classes. (uhh huh....) West Lyon had success in Class A with that formula. There is a reason you see less one dimensional offenses as you move up through the classes. (......uhh huuuhhhh............)

Thanks for basically repeating my argument....we just look at it from two different sides.

And Regina is one of those programs that doesn't treat itself like a smaller class program.

So maybe now you can understand why I have reservations when you question why other smaller class teams don't act like larger class programs........just sayin.

No, it doesn't mean they can't do it (though some really can't).....but then it's like you said in this quote directly above me.

or when I basically told you what Pine said, and that you answered without actually reading the original post Pine's before responding with you normal pompous BS?

PINEHAWK was saying that if you are BEHIND - that means losing - by a few scores, and are a predominantly rushing team - that means RUNNING with the football - then you're not built to come from behind (just to reiterate, that means LOSING)

I used bold faced so perhaps you might actually see that you missed his point because you are too busy trying to pat yourself on the back with a BS response all the time to prove you are an Internet Tough Guy.

I will now get the popcorn.... in waiting....

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by BlameIt:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Correct. And, you're more likely to be able to get away with that in the lower classes. (uhh huh....) West Lyon had success in Class A with that formula. There is a reason you see less one dimensional offenses as you move up through the classes. (......uhh huuuhhhh............)

Thanks for basically repeating my argument....we just look at it from two different sides.

And Regina is one of those programs that doesn't treat itself like a smaller class program.

So maybe now you can understand why I have reservations when you question why other smaller class teams don't act like larger class programs........just sayin.

No, it doesn't mean they can't do it (though some really can't).....but then it's like you said in this quote directly above me.

or when I basically told you what Pine said, and that you answered without actually reading the original post Pine's before responding with you normal pompous BS?

PINEHAWK was saying that if you are BEHIND - that means losing - by a few scores, and are a predominantly rushing team - that means RUNNING with the football - then you're not built to come from behind (just to reiterate, that means LOSING)

I used bold faced so perhaps you might actually see that you missed his point because you are too busy trying to pat yourself on the back with a BS response all the time to prove you are an Internet Tough Guy.

I will now get the popcorn.... in waiting....

And you're too busy trying to prove me wrong, which usually you don't succeed in doing.

This would be another one of those times....

I'll give you a brief synopsis from the beginning and explain:

- I made a sarcastic comment about needing to be a spread/balanced team to win a championship

- Pine, part facetiously/part serious says I'm right. He then proceeds to use only one scenario (last year's title game) to try and prove his point. IF a run-heavy team gets behind by a lot, then it will be harder for them to come back. (Fine and all but how does that prove that you need to be a spread/balanced team to win a championship?---or that you can't if you're a run-heavy team---.........It doesn't.)

- Not wanting to get away from the argument that I started, I brought up West Lyon

- You chimed in trying to play "gotchya" and failed

- Pine then agreed with you, because he wants to stick to his guns, but then proceeded to reiterate an argument I had been making all along, just from a different side, which also takes into account the MULTIPLE other scenarios for a run-heavy team playing in a championship game, regardless if the opponent is also run-heavy, balanced, pass-heavy, or Regina.....


My point, to start with, is that it CAN be done. Pine only wants to use one scenario (last year's title game) as a reason why it can't...or that it's harder. And I don't care about that. I only care about the fact that it CAN. And I would like Pine to admit that, but he's taking his time doing so.

(then again, since he did say "you're more likely to get away with it at the lower levels", I guess he technically did admit it.......

)

Just sayin

 

[Pinehawk]

Well, I'll make you happy. It CAN be done. BUT, in the context of things, when most agreed Regina had a decent chance to be in the Championship game, it might have made sense to develop and work on a game plan that has a better chance of beating them. Instead of just trying the same approach that got St. Ed's blown out last year.
South Winn has a balanced approach, and will be a very tough opponent. I think whichever team, Regina or South Winn, comes out on top Saturday will be in a good position to win the title.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Well, I'll make you happy. It CAN be done.

 

[ghost80]

St Albert's is not a repeat offender....St Eds is. Outside of the when you say Quickstats weren't mandated yet St Albert's has posted all their games. This includes the championship game they were undefeated going into but failed to win. St Albert's showed class and owned their loss. They didn't hide behind the excuse that the stats were locked down before they could enter them.

Back to this conversation, I think where St Eds had a case of the stupids was prior to this year. You had a great offensive asset last year and he was way underutilized. At least coach learned from that big mistake and began utilizing him more. Whether he should have left him at receiver or not who knows.

All I know is that you can't teach an old dog new tricks so maybe that is why the pup was the one who had to change and learn to be fullback.

DarkThunder#61 posted on 11/11/2014...

Originally posted by Spook 78:

an interesting stat might be.....how many yards passing by the winning team in the championship game for say the last 10 years.

I'll just stick with the 1A champs since this is the 1A board.

I'll try to find stats from 2004-2007, but the State archives only go back to 2008. Quikstats did have box scores in 2007, but CB St. Albert never posted (QUICK, CALL GHOST!!!). Anywho.....




This post was edited on 11/12 6:39 AM by ghost80

 

[BlameIt]

you win DT61.

you're never wrong.

just keep diggin, bro.

Great work!

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by BlameIt:
you win DT61.

just keep diggin, bro.

Great work!

Thanks! I know I'm getting close.

This post was edited on 11/12 8:46 AM by DarkThunder#61

 

[hawk44ever]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by hawk44ever:

I decided to answer my own trivia question, if quikstats is correct, could not go back past 2007

Yards passing by St. EDs by year:

2014- 556
2013- 597
2012- 599
2011- 683
2010- 614
2009- 358
2008- 1,250
2007- 524

I am not sure what happened in 2008, maybe Tighe had a stroke or something But 500-600 yards passing is usually the average for a year (except 2008).

SE had arguably it's best passing QB of the Tighe era in John Engler. 61-110 with 10 TDs to 2 INTs. Also had multiple weapons to throw to. Fast WR, a big physical TE, and a D1 track recruit at RB. Their run game was pretty balanced too. Three different backs with 10+ touchdown runs. Though I'd say these last two SE teams have had slightly more dominant run games and to be honest, there isn't much difference in terms of their size on the OL, between '08 and '13-'14.

Well done Dark Thunder, do you ever sleep?

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by hawk44ever:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by hawk44ever:

I decided to answer my own trivia question, if quikstats is correct, could not go back past 2007

Yards passing by St. EDs by year:

2014- 556
2013- 597
2012- 599
2011- 683
2010- 614
2009- 358
2008- 1,250
2007- 524

I am not sure what happened in 2008, maybe Tighe had a stroke or something But 500-600 yards passing is usually the average for a year (except 2008).

SE had arguably it's best passing QB of the Tighe era in John Engler. 61-110 with 10 TDs to 2 INTs. Also had multiple weapons to throw to. Fast WR, a big physical TE, and a D1 track recruit at RB. Their run game was pretty balanced too. Three different backs with 10+ touchdown runs. Though I'd say these last two SE teams have had slightly more dominant run games and to be honest, there isn't much difference in terms of their size on the OL, between '08 and '13-'14.

Well done Dark Thunder, do you ever sleep?

Not while I'm awake.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by ghost80:
St Albert's is not a repeat offender....St Eds is. Outside of the when you say Quickstats weren't mandated yet St Albert's has posted all their games. This includes the championship game they were undefeated going into but failed to win. St Albert's showed class and owned their loss. They didn't hide behind the excuse that the stats were locked down before they could enter them. (It's amazing how your argument has evolved since you first started this......That's not necessarily a compliment, either.

)[/B]

Back to this conversation, I think where St Eds had a case of the stupids was prior to this year. You had a great offensive asset last year and he was way underutilized. (Well why didn't you say something!!! Geez!......) At least coach learned from that big mistake (subjective opinion) and began utilizing him more. Whether he should have left him at receiver or not who knows. (They still do use him as a receiver, though......)

All I know is that you can't teach an old dog new tricks (So teach him old ones....) so maybe that is why the pup was the one who had to change and learn to be fullback. (It could also be because he was the best fit for that position out of the remaining personnel while smaller underclassmen were allowed to grow and be groomed to be comfortable in said position....)



This post was edited on 11/12 6:39 AM by ghost80

 

[L N D]

I think moving the SE WR to fullback was a good idea for two reasons.

1. SE does not throw the ball, so why not get it into his hands other ways. He is still the teams leading WR. Not to mention their punt returner, main kick returner, leads the team in INT's as a safety and is their kicker this year. If you just have him out their at WR in their offense you are really wasting him.

2. He is a great blocker who likes to hit people. And he has the size to play fullback.

They will definitely need him to have some big blocks against West Lyon.

Will SE change it up at all and throw a little more?


This post was edited on 11/12 10:18 AM by L N D