Dowling ranked #14 in the nation
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Ok Catherine, like that you are confident enough to express your opinion on here about certain things, but sorry some opinions don't always make logical sense. Please explain to me how a parochial class is a "valid option" since there is such a big gap from dowling and every other private school in the state, in not just athletics but also enrollment and since you never responded to that in the first place. Just want to know that from you and provide you with adequate facts as I did in my first response to you so you know that a private class is just not realistic or logical in the state of Iowa. And I don't see why you're telling me to relax when I presented my opinion on that with facts and realistic possibilities? Lol. But I respect what you said about the state of Iowa HS football and the gap, I think everyone does
Guess you were right. Facts and logic mean nothing on here. Opinions are the only thing that matter I guess
Yeah, actually those numbers are correct. I have a student at the school, among other things, so I should know.
You can look it up.
No one credible denies that they recruit. They do. They're supposed to. Just like a college is supposed to recruit.
Cruhawk, agree with you but might even say private schools "have to" recruit. Every student that attends is recruited. In fact for all the private school haters, beware, Dowling is holding their "recruitment" on Nov. 5th. It is their open house to all of Des Moines area 8th graders to learn more about the school.
What is even funnier is the way private schools are portrayed as only "recruiting" football players.
In the vane of "never let the facts get in the way of a good story" there is a lot more to CIML refs story. He is correct the Burlington kid was a great freshman runner. What he left out was the kid also missed his entire sophomore after suffering from rhabdo ( the same issue as Iowa football went through) due to very poor training advice. After spending the summer training with both the Dowling and Iowa City West CC coaches (two of the best in the state.) He choose Dowling to continue his running career.
Also, CIML ref doesn't mention that Dowling coaches offered "his runner" a spot, nor does he mention that the Dowling cc coach has his own personal training company that many DSM area kids ( that don't attend Dowling) train with. Maybe he was trying to promote his own business vs. "recruit him". Either way story is much better the way he told it.
I remember the days of the old CIML and the local teams so frustrated that they couldn't complete (exception being WDM Valley) with Dowling in football they tried to kick them out. Seems there is still similar sentiment around.
What is even funnier is the way private schools are portrayed as only "recruiting" football players.
In the vane of "never let the facts get in the way of a good story" there is a lot more to CIML refs story. He is correct the Burlington kid was a great freshman runner. What he left out was the kid also missed his entire sophomore after suffering from rhabdo ( the same issue as Iowa football went through) due to very poor training advice. After spending the summer training with both the Dowling and Iowa City West CC coaches (two of the best in the state.) He choose Dowling to continue his running career.
Also, CIML ref doesn't mention that Dowling coaches offered "his runner" a spot, nor does he mention that the Dowling cc coach has his own personal training company that many DSM area kids ( that don't attend Dowling) train with. Maybe he was trying to promote his own business vs. "recruit him". Either way story is much better the way he told it.
I remember the days of the old CIML and the local teams so frustrated that they couldn't complete (exception being WDM Valley) with Dowling in football they tried to kick them out. Seems there is still similar sentiment around.
I am 100% certain that recruiting happens at public schools as well. Look at the open enrollment numbers to see if it's going on there. SE Polk wrestling anyone?
Yes, and Heelan does the exact same thing. In fact, our daughter, who is a junior at Heelan, was among a number of students off on a "recruiting" trip to the K-8 grade schools (included some public schools in the area).
If anyone wants to argue that the big public schools don't recruit, I'll be drinking out of my Jason Scales mug.
I totally disagree with Dowling not being able to compete with Rockhurst. I grew up in Des Moines but have been in Arkansas for a few years. I
I totally disagree with Dowling having trouble with Rockhurst. I grew up in Iowa and have been in Arkansas for quite a few years. I'm very familiar with the NW Arkansas teams like Bentonville. Bentonville has been playing Rockhurst the last few years and all of them have been pretty close games. I watched Bentonville in the state final two weeks ago and I honestly think Dowling would have beaten them fairly easy this year. As for Rockhurst, they did play Dowling back in the mid 80's. I went to the game. It was at the old Valley Stadium on a Saturday afternoon. Close game. If I recall correctly, Rockhurst barely won. At that time I believe Rockhurst was more of a power than they are now. Contrarily, Dowling has always been good but in the 80's I would not have classified them as a power house like they are now. I watch the Iowa state finals over the internet every year (well, this year on Directv) & I have been very impressed with Dowling. Very well coached. I just really think Dowling would handle Rockhurst these days.
It will be interesting if this gets passed. Probably will also depend a lot on district sizes and non district games counting or not counting toward at large playoff spots. I would think the larger 4a schools in central Iowa would still like their traditional local rivalry games (Dowling, Valley, Waukee, Urbandale, Ankeny's) vs a home and home with Millard West, Creighton Prep, Blue Springs, Lee's Summit, Rockhurst, or Chicago area schools. Although it would be fun to see.
Just saw an article stating teams will be allowed to play out of state teams. Among other changes to the playoff format and what not. I for one like what I read. Here's the link. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...tem-board-allows-interstate-games/1063138001/
New 4a teams and districts:
https://www.iahsaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/2018-and-2019-4A-Football-District-Assignments.pdf
https://www.iahsaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/2018-and-2019-4A-Football-District-Assignments.pdf
Hey krafty...I see you are back. Your kids done at BV? Or did your daughter just start? You seem to have more time on your hands. And about heelan....they had under 90 freshman at the start of this semester........and I got that from a personal conversation with their administration. Their 7th and 8th grade classes are small as well. They only had 16 freshman out for football this past fall.
What would make some sense would be to become a feeder school. We all know Iowa Western is a stacked JUCO school. Then you have Iowa, Minnesota, Iowa State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, Missouri, Kansas, and Kansas State with Des Moines as a centerpiece. You've got North Dakota State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Illinois State, Southern Illinois, Western Illinois all as D1 AA schools from the best conference in that level within reach. It makes sense for Iowa to finally get a feeder school for colleges going.
A former Iowa player in Jim Poggi is coaching at St. Frances in Maryland, which has become a National Powerhouse on the football scene. They have taken in kids from all over the DC and Baltimore areas. The #1 player in the country who committed to Bama played there. They talked him into playing football his freshman year. He was a basketball guy. He was one of 23 homeless kids that were on the team and 3 years later he was the #1 player and DE prospect in the country.
Biff Poggi coached at Gilman High in Maryland for 19 years. He was a School Board member at St. Frances even when coaching at Gilman. He donated $60,000 to St. Frances to get the football program going. He stepped away from Gilman and joined St. Frances a few years ago. St. Frances Catholic has been helping underprivileged youth in the Baltimore area for decades. Now with him running the program he as gotten several D1 athletes from surrounding areas to the team. He has been criticized for it, but they are bringing in kids who are as underprivileged as others and giving them the chance to excel in the abilities they have. 23 homeless kids played for them last year at they were 13-0 #4 in the country. They are considered even better this year.
I'm not saying Dowling could or would do something similar, but they can consider that type of approach in the Midwest. I don't think we have that type of powerhouse Academy or Prep school in the Midwest and it would be considerably harder to be successful at it in Des Moines as compared to St. Louis, Kansas City, Minneapolis, or Chicago.
A former Iowa player in Jim Poggi is coaching at St. Frances in Maryland, which has become a National Powerhouse on the football scene. They have taken in kids from all over the DC and Baltimore areas. The #1 player in the country who committed to Bama played there. They talked him into playing football his freshman year. He was a basketball guy. He was one of 23 homeless kids that were on the team and 3 years later he was the #1 player and DE prospect in the country.
Biff Poggi coached at Gilman High in Maryland for 19 years. He was a School Board member at St. Frances even when coaching at Gilman. He donated $60,000 to St. Frances to get the football program going. He stepped away from Gilman and joined St. Frances a few years ago. St. Frances Catholic has been helping underprivileged youth in the Baltimore area for decades. Now with him running the program he as gotten several D1 athletes from surrounding areas to the team. He has been criticized for it, but they are bringing in kids who are as underprivileged as others and giving them the chance to excel in the abilities they have. 23 homeless kids played for them last year at they were 13-0 #4 in the country. They are considered even better this year.
I'm not saying Dowling could or would do something similar, but they can consider that type of approach in the Midwest. I don't think we have that type of powerhouse Academy or Prep school in the Midwest and it would be considerably harder to be successful at it in Des Moines as compared to St. Louis, Kansas City, Minneapolis, or Chicago.
Look, this isn't IMG Academy or Bishop Gorman we're talking about. They just happen to have the luxury of being able to recruit in Iowa's largest city and for the last 5 years it's worked out well for them.
Dowling is not #14 in the rankings... Here are the regional ranking by USA Today... Not in top 10 in Midwest.
https://usatodayhss.com/2018/super-25-regional-football-rankings-week-1
https://usatodayhss.com/2018/super-25-regional-football-rankings-week-1
Here's my question, who cares what/if Dowling is ranked in USA Today? Unless all of high school football is going to a college football playoff-like system, I don't see why it really even matters. They've certainly been the best 4A (hi, 3A posters) program in the state for half a decade.
Just an FYI, if you look at the original date in this thread, it started nearly a year ago. So the ranking would've applied to the 2017 team, not necessarily the 2018 one.
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