When do official bed numbers get released?

troutstamp1

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Going to be some interesting changes in football classifications I think this next cycle. Will the state finally make some of these 8 man teams that have been above 120 for more than a few years finally have to move up to 11 man? One thing we do know for sure is the number of classes will stay the same as their were rumors of 2 8 man classes but that is not going to happen.
 

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i am not fan of 8man,,,,,hoping state forces them to consolidate with a larger school, and play 11man the way it is suppose to be played.it would also reduce all these classes we have now to....my thinking is that 8 man will continue, some reduced football in some 30 states i believe. there are even 9 man and 6 man football teams, not sure where that is, maybe alaska
 
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i am not fan of 8man,,,,,hoping state forces them to consolidate with a larger school, and play 11man the way it is suppose to be played
Some Dam good football players in 8 man and I for one hope they don’t force them to consolidate, 8 man has its role. My point was you have a hand full of teams that have been above that 120 count but for some reason get a waiver to continue to play 8 man. Heck some states including Texas play 7 man and 6 man football. You don’t need 11 guys on the field to see good football but it is a different game that really highlights more athletes than bigger line play.
 

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I have never heard of 7 man other than in the summer, Minnesota plays 9 man. 6 man in Texas is wild, very different game but fun to watch.

The only thing I don’t like is when schools with 35 kids out are playing 8 man.
 

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I have never heard of 7 man other than in the summer, Minnesota plays 9 man. 6 man in Texas is wild, very different game but fun to watch.

The only thing I don’t like is when schools with 35 kids out are playing 8 man.
Nebraska also has a 6 man class.
 

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I have never heard of 7 man other than in the summer, Minnesota plays 9 man. 6 man in Texas is wild, very different game but fun to watch.

The only thing I don’t like is when schools with 35 kids out are playing 8 man.
Yes, but that’s not enough to play a JV/V schedule in 11 man. Ask Wapello, L&M and even West Burlington/ND how that works out. All three couldn’t play us in JV this year.
 
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Yes, but that’s not enough to play a JV/V schedule in 11 man. Ask Wapello, L&M and even West Burlington/ND how that works out. All three couldn’t play us in JV this year.
I think if you look at most teams rosters in class A and for the most part 1A as well you will see on avg roster sizes between 30 and 40 kids 9 - 12. Most small schools in these classes don't play curtain raisers on Friday nights because of these numbers and quarter limitations but most still do play a JV sched just on a different nights. The state rules make it tough for teams to play doubleheaders on a single night with its limitations on how much you can play as you see most teams using those younger kids on special teams as they don't count as a game played.
 

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Last year the Department of Education released the enrollment numbers for all public schools on December 8th, these are the numbers that the boys and girls union would use to determine classifications for next year. I would guess that they already have them, but they should be released to the public soon, which then you can take that information and determine 9-11 enrollments.
 

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Last year the Department of Education released the enrollment numbers for all public schools on December 8th, these are the numbers that the boys and girls union would use to determine classifications for next year. I would guess that they already have them, but they should be released to the public soon, which then you can take that information and determine 9-11 enrollments.
Yes, they should have them. I believe they were due October 1.
 

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thought it was weird they dont take 9-12 on bed numbers? what is the reason for 9-11, i dont get the philosphy behind that. maybe the boys at boone know something i dont know. do all the states in the country take 9-11
 

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I think it is because it would require using 8-11, and in the past there were some middle schools that sent to more then one high school. So it was just easier to do 9-11. Plus there are a ton of small parochial schools that also end in 8th grade, so the numbers could be a little skewed.
 
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The official public school numbers from the department of education have been released. I haven't had time to look through them all, but just out of curiosity I looked up the 8 man schools that are usually close to the cutoff line and here is what I found.

Midland 137
BGM 135
Southeast Warren 126
Martensdale St. Marys 142
Northwood Kensett 128
New London is exactly 120
 

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The official public school numbers from the department of education have been released. I haven't had time to look through them all, but just out of curiosity I looked up the 8 man schools that are usually close to the cutoff line and here is what I found.

Midland 137
BGM 135
Southeast Warren 126
Martensdale St. Marys 142
Northwood Kensett 128
New London is exactly 120
Link to this?
 

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We don't know the enrollments of the parochial schools by grade, I can find the enrollment of the entire building but not by grade. I also haven't found the FRL numbers for this year, although I would guess that they are similar to last year.

The other big question that needs to be answered is the "qualifying" number for 8 man. Because I think there are a good number of A schools that could now qualify for 8 man if they don't almost put a rule like the cutoff is 120 of the real enrollment. I feel that if they don't do this then there won't be enough class A schools and those small schools who want to play 11 man will kind of be put in a situation where it is either play 8 man and don't give the opportunity to play to as many kids, or play schools much larger then yourself.

Also I have heard that North Tama is going to continue to play 11 man for at least 2 more years, can anyone confirm this?
 

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What adjustments need to be made other than socioeconomic? Anyways, appears Mepo will definitely be 2A.
I found them. A few class A schools who could possibly be going up or down depending on how much the socioeconomic thing factors in. Obviously these beds dont have that figured in yet. Obviously some of these teams that could drop to 8 man probably will stay 11 man.

Possibly up to 1A
Grundy Center 187
Alburnett 197
Hudson 193
Wapsie Valley 161

Possible Drop to 8 man
Belle Plain 83
North Tama 94
North Linn 124
West Hancock 120
 

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Lynnville Sully could also go 8 man, but would guess that they won't.

Looking at school board minutes, Belle Plaine will go 8 man and North Tama won't.
 

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Lynnville Sully could also go 8 man, but would guess that they won't.

Looking at school board minutes, Belle Plaine will go 8 man and North Tama won't.
Their are a number of A schools that could go 8 man based on the socioeconomic scale and if they kept it at 120 cap. Teams like North Linn, Nashua, ST Ansger, Clayton Ridge, East Buchanan, Postvill, BCLUW and Columbus Junction just to name a few. That is why from what I am hearing is they will lower the cap to like 110-112 for 8 man and that will keep class A together for at least 2 more years. Of the teams I mentioned I think most would stay 11 man if they have the choice.
 

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The other thing with some of these schools is that they have big and small classes, it isn't uncommon for them to have a class of 60 followed by a class of 30. So as a school they have to look at long term trends when deciding between 8 man and 11 man, because it's not easy to go back and forth.
 

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I have a question about CAM, and whether or not they combine with Whiting? If they do they would be well above the cutoff for 8 man.
 

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Lynnville Sully could also go 8 man, but would guess that they won't.

Looking at school board minutes, Belle Plaine will go 8 man and North Tama won't.
Lynnville Sully coach has said in the past that he will quit if they go 8 man. There is no talk at this time about going that route.
 

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I have a question about CAM, and whether or not they combine with Whiting? If they do they would be well above the cutoff for 8 man.
0 chance those two are sharing. 1.5+ hours away from each other. Has to be a typo. Whiting has shared with Siouxland Christian in the past for 8 man football.
 
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This is what I have for number, I used the FRL from last year as I haven't found this years information yet, I would assume it is similar, and I used it for the building. The parochial schools are the number from last year, and a zero FRL, I don't know if that is true or not. I will also say that I am unsure of some of the sharing agreements. Like if St. Albert is sharing with a small christian school.

They are listed by the FRL figured number, but also included the "real" enrollment.

I also didn't include any "for sure" 8 man schools, only the ones like Midland who have a "real" enrollment over the 120 number.

Assuming the numbers in each class stay the same the following schools would be the smallest in each class.

CB Lincoln
Ballard
Hampton Dumont CAL
Dike New Hartford
Emmetsburg

Now I will say I don't have the numbers for parochial schools, and the FRL can be off a little bit, so I won't say this is 100%, but an estimate.

Valley High School21551879.16
Johnston Senior High School17491609.08
Southeast Polk High School17961580.48
Linn-Mar High School17081571.36
Ankeny Centennial High School14851407.78
Northwest High School14371373.772
Waukee High School13831266.828
DSM Lincoln High School17851242.36
Ankeny High School13431240.932
Pleasant Valley High School12681222.352
Cedar Falls High School13201209.12
Prairie High School13011144.88
DSM Roosevelt High School14581131.408
John F Kennedy High School12961130.112
Iowa City High School12441044.96
DSM East High School15491040.928
Dowling10301030
Waterloo West High School13251028.2
Hempstead High School11761011.36
Iowa City West Senior High School1159996.74
Bettendorf High School1103979.464
Ames High School1088974.848
SC North High School1249974.22
Muscatine High School1161961.308
Dubuque Senior High School1090937.4
Marshalltown High School1196923.312
Central High School1150920
SC East High School1149914.604
Thomas Jefferson High School1203904.656
Urbandale High School1016881.888
Ottumwa High School1039860.292
Davenport North High School1056836.352
Davenport West High School1096824.192
Liberty High School897807.3
Indianola High School852777.024
Abraham Lincoln High School1040773.76
George Washington High School962761.904
North Scott High School783729.756
Norwalk Senior High School766704.72
Dallas Center-Grimes High School744699.36
DSM North High School1072694.656
Sioux City West High School956676.848
Mason City High School760644.48
Fort Dodge High School809643.964
Burlington Community High School813637.392
Lewis Central Senior High School722635.36
Western Dubuque High School691630.192
Thomas Jefferson High School904625.568
Clinton High School762615.696
Waterloo East High School855612.18
Bondurant-Farrar High School590549.88
Pella High School578541.008
Newton Senior High School645539.22
Waverly-Shell Rock Senior High School574532.672
Clear Creek Amana High School565519.8
Carlisle High School562510.296
Hoover High School713484.84
North Polk High School495481.14
Marion High School539480.788
ADM Senior High School518480.704
Denison High School597477.6
Le Mars High School535475.08
Boone High School545468.7
Xavier441441
Spencer High School522440.568
Storm Lake High School562409.136
Heelan404404
Oskaloosa High School454397.704
Decorah High School428390.336
Glenwood Senior High School447387.996
Gilbert High School400387.2
Ballard High School403380.432
Webster City High School424373.12
Carroll High School409371.372
Central DeWitt High School407371.184
Sergeant Bluff-Luton Senior High School403369.148
Winterset Senior High School423367.164
Mount Pleasant High School436364.496
Keokuk High School456361.152
Solon High School369360.144
Perry High School444353.424
Fort Madison High School419341.904
Center Point-Urbana High School352339.328
MOC-Floyd Valley High School371338.352
Humboldt High School384336.384
Assumption336336
Maquoketa Community High School410334.56
Mount Vernon High School350333.2
Knoxville High School379330.488
Wahlert330330
Independence Junior Senior High School376329.376
Nevada High School374329.12
Benton Community Senior High School372328.848
Charles City High School399328.776
Creston High School397325.54
Sioux Center High School377321.204
West Delaware High School364320.32
BHRV371319.06
Clear Lake High School356318.976
Harlan High School369318.816
Grinnell Community Senior High School354315.768
Algona High School359313.048
South Tama County High School358296.424
Atlantic High School365287.62
Fairfield High School340285.6
Washington High School353283.812
Williamsburg Jr-Sr High School310282.72
Hampton-Dumont High School360277.92
Greene County High School327273.372
Clarke Community High School344272.448
Vinton-Shellsburg High School308271.04
West Burlington Arnold Jr./Sr. High School305268.4
Anamosa High School304267.52
Spirit Lake High School288266.112
Iowa Falls - Alden High School307262.792
Davis County Community High School311262.484
Clarinda High School298258.664
Albia High School291252.588
DSM Christian252252
PCM High School274250.984
Okoboji High School286250.536
Saydel High School329247.408
Crestwood High School285246.24
Mid-Prairie High School270245.16
Centerville High School300243.6
Waukon High School293241.432
Roland-Story High School259241.388
Chariton High School307239.46
CLGLR264237.6
Estherville Lincoln Central High School286233.376
Cherokee263229.336
Monticello High School257228.216
Unity Christian228228
Clarion-Goldfield-Dows High School270226.8
Southeast Valley High School264224.928
Union High School251224.896
Van Meter High School227222.46
West Marshall High School241221.72
Kuemper221221
Tipton High School235218.08
New Hampton High School246216.48
Mediapolis High School240215.04
Sheldon High School250215
Forest City High School246214.512
Western Christian213213
West Liberty High School275211.2
Garner-Hayfield-Ventura High School232209.728
West Lyon High School232208.8
Central Lee High School248208.32
Oelwein High School259208.236
North Fayette Valley High School243207.036
Camanche High School228200.64
Pella Christian200200
Jesup High School216199.584
Northeast Middle-High School224198.912
Dike-New Hartford High School210197.4
Interstate 35 High School214196.88
Beckman196196
Odebolt Arthur Battle Creek Ida Grove High School232194.88
Osage High School225194.4
Eagle Grove High School237192.444
Woodward-Granger High School203192.444
Red Oak Junior/Senior High School244192.272
Denver Senior High School200191.2
Columbus Catholic190190
Sumner-Fredericksburg HS205186.96
Wilton Jr-Sr High School204186.048
Underwood High School191182.596
MFL MarMac HS206180.456
Alburnett Senior High School198179.784
Eddyville-Blakesburg-Fremont Jr/Sr High205179.58
Aplington-Parkersburg High School194178.48
Cardinal High School208178.048
Sioux Central High School213177.216
Treynor High School185175.38
Hudson High School193173.7
Shenandoah High School214172.056
Maple Valley-Anthon Oto High School216171.072
East Marshall Senior High School191169.608
Manson Northwest Webster Junior High/High School187168.3
West Central Valley High School201168.036
Ridge View High School192167.424
East Sac County High School203166.46
Sigourney Keota198166.32
West Branch High School180166.32
Pocahontas Area Middle/ High School205165.64
Cascade Junior-Senior High School183165.432
Grundy Center High School187165.308
Hinton High School183164.7
Ogden High School186164.424
Pleasantville High School185164.28
Lawton-Bronson Junior-Senior High School176161.92
Colfax-Mingo Jr/Sr High School188160.928
South Hardin High School187160.072
Durant Junior/Senior High School178158.064
Central Springs High School178157.352
South Hamilton Middle And High School170157.08
Missouri Valley High School180156.96
Nodaway Valley High School185156.88
Regina156156
West Sioux High School197153.66
Guthrie Center High School161150.696
Van Buren County Community Middle & High School184150.144
Emmetsburg High School183150.06
St Albert150150
Wapsie Valley High School160149.76
Mount Ayr High School173149.472
Louisa-Muscatine JR/SR High School172149.296
Bellevue High School166148.736
Grandview Christian148148
Madrid High School159147.552
South Central Calhoun High School173147.396
AHSTW High School171147.06
Westwood High School167146.292
Lisbon Secondary161146.188
Tri-Center High School164145.632
Central Decatur MS/HS High School185144.3
Newman144144
Lake Mills Senior High School160143.36
South Winneshiek High School159141.828
John R Mott Jr/Hi School196141.12
Logan-Magnolia Jr-Sr High School154141.064
Southwest Valley High school163140.18
Maquoketa Valley Senior High School152138.016
Panorama High School165137.94
MMCRU High School154137.368
Alta-Aurelia High School156137.28
Sibley-Ocheyedan High School168136.416
Belmond-Klemme Community Jr-Sr High School167136.272
Earlham Senior High School144135.36
Akron Westfield Senior High School150135
West Fork High School154131.208
North Butler Jr/Sr High School143130.988
West Monona High School160130.56
North Mahaska Jr-Sr High School150129.6
Martensdale-St Marys Jr-Sr High School142129.504
Hartley-Melvin-Sanborn High School151128.048
Danville Junior-Senior High School144127.296
Highland High School133125.02
East Buchanan High School142124.96
Columbus Community High School157124.344
North Cedar Jr/Sr High School143124.124
Nashua-Plainfield Junior-SeniorHigh School138123.648
Pekin Community Junior/ Senior High School143123.552
BCLUW High School139123.432
IKM-Manning High School144122.688
Starmont High School146122.64
St Edmond122122
Wapello Senior High School145121.8
St Ansgar High School134121.672
Woodbury Central High School135121.5
Clayton Ridge High School141121.26
North Union High School153121.176
Riverside Community High School139120.096
AGWSR High School140117.6
North-Linn Senior High School125117.5
Southeast Warren Jr-Sr High School126113.4
Sidney High School135111.78
Brooklyn-Guernsey-Malcom Jr-Sr High School135111.24
Wayne Community Jr-Sr High School136110.432
Midland Middle/High School138109.848
Northwood-Kensett MIddle/High School128109.568
South O'Brien Secondary School129108.876
Lynnville-Sully High School117108.108
Gehlen107107
Graettinger-Terril High School120106.56
West Hancock High School120103.2
New London Jr-Sr High School120102.24
North Tama High School9478.96
 

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PNation- Very interesting, that had to have taken some time! Thanks for putting it together.
 

PNation

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You guys are welcome, like I said they are estimates, without knowing all of the data I can't give exact numbers, but if a school is right in the middle of a class more then likely they are going to be in that class.
 
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I heard the ihsaa will vote on January 12 on using the irl for enrollment. The football coaches already approved it
 

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West Branch's number will be closer to 150 than 166 as the above poster laid out (with FRL factored in).
 

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