what schools overperform and underperform vis-a-vis

[DSMan]

the relevant demographics (i.e. money)?

to put it another way - what relatively wealthy school district has a weak football program given the district's economic status?

or

what relatively poor or working class school district has a strong football program given the district's economic status?

 

[westside rules]

Given the enrollment, location of the school within the city ( middle to upper middle class) and the competition ( non district play) I would have to list SC East. It's hard to admit being a resident but reality is reality

 

[mattyb74]

Agree. SC East should be much better than they have been.

 

[makelovenotwar]

SC East is a really good vote.

I might add Dubuque Senior which has consistently been not very good. Recently they have been added into a district with the very weak Davenport schools and it does not seem to help much.

 

[VerbumDei]

Under-performed: Linn-Mar is top 10 in enrollment and a suburban school in Iowa's second largest metro area and they were 3 and 6 last year. Pleasant Valley is a wealthy district that went 4 and 5.

Over-performed: Ankeny is located on the poor side of town and went 5-0 in their district and 6-4 overall.

 

[DSMan]

Ankeny is located on the poor side of town

 

[Cheese2]

Overperform: CR Washington consistently wins and is an average 4A school

Underperform: LM. That could change now with Paul James as the coach!

 

[Willymo]

My thoughts exactly!!

 

[DrainTheSwamp]

Sioux City East is certainly an understandable candidate in regards to city schools, but it didn't have the success and talent that Lincoln once did. That place has fallen off a cliff.

52-27 between 2004 and 2011. 16-30 since 2012. Only one losing season between 2004 and 2011. Only had one winning season since then. They used to be the standard for developing D1 talent in regards to city-schools too.

 

[mattyb74]

Which Lincoln?

 

[DrainTheSwamp]

Des Moines

 

[westside rules]

Which Lincoln?

The one from Council Bluffs could be included as well, for their enrollment they have been bad the past few years, put them in the same category as the Black Raiders.

 

[srams21]

Davenport West should be much better. Maybe not great, but 5-4 type records. I believe it's still the second largest enrollment in the state.

 

[SEPRamFan]

Davenport West should be much better. Maybe not great, but 5-4 type records. I believe it's still the second largest enrollment in the state.

According to the latest beds document (enrollment for grades 9-11) that I have seen, Davenport West is currently the 12th largest. Top 12 listed...

1. Valley, West Des Moines 2176
2. Waukee 1895
3. Des Moines, Lincoln 1800
4. Des Moines, East 1758
5. Linn-Mar, Marion 1650
6. Iowa City, West 1611
7. Johnston 1554
8. Southeast Polk 1535
9. Des Moines, Roosevelt 1489
10. Waterloo, West 1469
11. Cedar Rapids, Kennedy 1422
12. Davenport, West 1333

 

[srams21]

According to the latest beds document (enrollment for grades 9-11) that I have seen, Davenport West is currently the 12th largest. Top 12 listed...

1. Valley, West Des Moines 2176
2. Waukee 1895
3. Des Moines, Lincoln 1800
4. Des Moines, East 1758
5. Linn-Mar, Marion 1650
6. Iowa City, West 1611
7. Johnston 1554
8. Southeast Polk 1535
9. Des Moines, Roosevelt 1489
10. Waterloo, West 1469
11. Cedar Rapids, Kennedy 1422
12. Davenport, West 1333

Thanks. It was A decade ago) the second largest. Appears that has changed quite a bit.

I will then go with Linn-Mar. Fifth in enrollment and has a solid upper middle class socioeconomic status.

Btw, holy cow is Valley a huge school or what? If you include seniors, their population must be pushing 3k.

 

[Hawksince73]

SC East and I'm not sure it's close for the underachiever award. I sometimes wonder how bad things would really be for SC football if the old Sioux Interstate was around. Those Sioux Falls schools are huge.

As for CRW, yeah, it's probably average demo overall but some of the very wealthiest people in the metro area call the SE side home. It all averages out, though, when you consider that some of the lowest incomes are in the CRW district, too.

 

[srams21]

SC East and I'm not sure it's close for the underachiever award. I sometimes wonder how bad things would really be for SC football if the old Sioux Interstate was around. Those Sioux Falls schools are huge.

As for CRW, yeah, it's probably average demo overall but some of the very wealthiest people in the metro area call the SE side home. It all averages out, though, when you consider that some of the lowest incomes are in the CRW district, too.

I'm not familiar with Sioux City. What makes East a bigger underachiever compared to the other SC schools like North or West? East is typically the best of the 3, correct?

 

[BigHawk]

The white elephant in the room is the socio economic status on your "numbers" sports. The more higher and middle SES your community is...the better you are going to be in your sports where numbers matter.

Sioux City like most of your larger cities has seen a drain on the middle class and flow to the burbs. East has probably felt this as much as anyone. I can't speak for any one school, but in knowing a lot of Heelan grads, they would tell you Heelan isn't as talented as they were twenty years ago. In the past two years they have lost to sergeant bluff Luton twice, rock valley Bowden hull, and storm lake. If you would have said that years ago....you would be laughed out of town.

In looking at the best "non-burb" school in iowa's largest communities it probably is Cedar Rapids Washington. And, look what Dowling and valley have done to them. Washington couldn't stay within five scores of either. Look how easily valley handled Bett last year. But, as pointed out, Washington does have a decent SES.
You will see a pattern in the publics of Waterloo, Des Moines, council bluffs, davenport, and Sioux city. The size of the school has little to do with success unless you enjoy the benefits the suburbs have.

Unless the economies change the days of your larger city publics enjoying success is over, and has been for quite some time.

 

[PNation]

I would say that the 3 Cedar Rapids schools do the best of the "city" schools compared to the other cities which get dominated by the suburb schools, why exactly is that?

 

[BigHawk]

Pretty simple.....the more white and middle class you are.....the better you are going to be. It ties into the values and work ethic of the homes kids grow up in.
des Moines lincoln, east, Roosevelt, Hoover, and north are all big schools with lots of kids.....and I'm serious in asking this......have any of these schools beaten valley in the last 30 years??
If you look at the state's that play really high level football...texas, California, florida.....most of their dominant schools are from suburbs or private schools. Some exceptions but very few. The same thing is going on here.

 

[Hawksince73]

I can't explain CRW's football success, especially with it being a relatively small 4A school with ~400 fewer students than Kennedy.
I do know, though, that since I've lived in CR (since 2009) they've been good and as for suburb schools vs. city schools, Bett has had a lot of trouble beating CR schools in recent years.

 

[VerbumDei]

Does Cedar Rapids allow kids to "open enroll" between Jefferson, Kennedy and Wash? If so, the good football players within the district may be going to Wash as it is perceived as having the best football program. I believe open enrollment between the Des Moines district schools is more difficult, or it would happen here as well.

 

[Hawksince73]

Yes, you can open enroll between schools in the CR district. How many do? I have no idea but my guess is that it's really not many.

 

[woodsiding]

Does Cedar Rapids allow kids to "open enroll" between Jefferson, Kennedy and Wash? If so, the good football players within the district may be going to Wash as it is perceived as having the best football program. I believe open enrollment between the Des Moines district schools is more difficult, or it would happen here as well.

The district's rule that a permit student has to compete at their own level for one calendar year. For the most part kids are going to the school they're supposed to, and coaches are able to develop them because of it.

One thing that helps Cedar Rapids Public is that Xavier uses their own kids. Their rosters are really comprised of kids who have come up through the Catholic system.