What if Regina was 4A....must read, very fascinating

[lilhawk4life]

I am a long time Iowa City High fan, but I follow all
Iowa City sports pretty closely. The recent success of the IC Regina
football team (especially with their convincing win over Xavier) has me
hypothetically wondering.......WHAT IF THIS WAS A 4A SCHOOL! The class
sizes at Regina are usually around 65-70 kids, meaning if this school
was the size of a 4A school, all of their athletes from the past 5 YEARS
would statistically be likely to be in the SAME GRADUATING CLASS of
around 325 kids, for a total school size of about 1,300. This is what
the Regina roster would look like (just one graduating class) in a
single year if they were the size of a 4A school. Current
freshman-juniors are not included (only current seniors-2011 seniors) to
simulate the size of one 4A graduating class. This isn't a
comprehensive list, and some deserving people are left off the list for
sake of being concise. Starters on this hypothetical 4A team are
mentioned, along with honorable mentions, and where each individual went
to play college football (or where they have committed) , graduation
year, and their high school bench press data is thrown in there for
giggles. What are your thoughts?

QB
Drew Cook (2015, Iowa, 4 star recruit)
Honorable mentions: Jack Verducci (2011, Princeton) although I would move Verducci to starting safety on this team
Mark Ward (2013, some DII school)

RB
Jake Brinkman (2015, North Dakota State, bench press 285)
Honorable
mentions: Anthony Halsch (2011, Colorado School of Mines, bench press
300) Saw him play a few times, and Halsch was an extremely strong
runner. I would alternate touches between him and Brinkman.
Joe McCaffery (2012, Upper Iowa)
Riley Dixon (2014, not sure)

WR
Alex Balke (2013, Nebraska)
Zach Pechous (2011, Coe College)
George Sehl (2012, college baseball somewhere)
Honorable mention: Daniel Larew (2011, St. Thomas)

TE
Braden Lehman (2011, UNI)

O-Line
Phil Arendt (2015, UNI, bench press 320 lbs)
Patrick McCaffery (2011, Iowa State, bench press 300 lbs.)
Daniel Gaffey (2013, Iowa, bench press 330+ lbs.)
Joe Strang (2011, Iowa Central, bench press 300+ lbs) This guy weighed 350 lbs.
Matt McBeth (2015, undecided, bench press 360 lbs)
Honorable mention: too many to mention here. Probably like 15 or more guys with 270+ bench press haha. Many that went on to play in college.

D-Line
Elliot Halsch (2014, Minnesota St. Cloud, bench press 435 lbs.) Incredibly strong kid that plays with a chip on his shoulder.
Zach Reis (2012, Upper Iowa, well over 300 lbs.) Thick strong kid that clogs up traffic in the middle.
Alex Williams (2011, St. Thomas, 300+ lbs.)
Braden Lehman (2011, UNI) Very tall, and knew how to use his height to his advantage. Current starter at UNI I think.
Honorable mention: too many to mention here

LB
Jacob Vollstedt (2012, Northwest Missouri State, pretty sure bench was 370+ lbs.)
Always one of Regina's best units. Very big, physical kids, especially
Vollstedt and Grimm. I would crap in my pants if I were a receiver
crossing over the middle against guys with the names Vollstedt and
Grimm.
Berkley Grimm (2011, North Dakota State, bench press 340 lbs.)
Micheal Adam (2015, undecided, bench press 300+ lbs.)
Honorable mention: Ross Westemeyer (2012, Augustana S.D)
Casey Beaver (2014, Iowa Central)


CB
Lots of good athletes. I'm really not sure who would start here.

S
Jack Verducci (2011, Princeton) I would move Verducci from QB to safety on this team.
Honorable mention: Nate Streb (2012, Cornell for baseball)

K
Jake Adam (2015, probably a Big Ten kicker) Incredibly strong leg. I think he'll be a great kicker at the next level.
Honorable mention: Nick Dolezal (2013, Truman St.)

KR and PR
Daniel Bonthius
(2011, Wartburg College for track, NCAA all-american) This kid was fast
and extremely quick. He would have been a nightmare with the ball in
the open field if he had stayed out for football.
Zach Pechous (2011, Coe College)

 

[DarkThunder#61]

If Regina was a 4A school they'd be playing teams more equal to their competition level and ability.

 

[notlongago]

Why did you feel the need to include bench press?

 

[Ford26]

1A school? Maybe, but I bet the Hawkeyes would totally kill 'em, though.

 

[SalAunese]

Iowa 4A isn't very good if you really want to look at the big picture.

 

[Hawki_dynasty]

In a one game schedule Regina can compete with a lot of schools. If they played a 3A schedule all year they would have a much tougher road. 4A, even worse. But if you give those coaches one game they can get those kids to compete. Regina was taking 15min of every practice for 5 weeks to work on Xavier stuff. No other 3A or 4A schools can do that.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I think the first Regina team could have played that schedule due to the numbers and depth that they had. The following teams could do the one game thing and maybe a stretch of games but depth would be a concern.

 

[slingitnow]

SalAunese you may be correct, the football east of Des Moines may not be very good in 4A which will make it easy for Dowling this year!

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
I think the first Regina team could have played that schedule due to the numbers and depth that they had. The following teams could do the one game thing and maybe a stretch of games but depth would be a concern.

Why? Are they going to get injured playing a full 9-game 4A schedule as opposed to a 1A schedule with some upper class teams sprinkled in?


Sometimes, people overrate depth because they don't really understand what it means ("our starters are good enough/better but our depth would cost us").........

I'll use basketball as an example. You can win a state championship with the 5 best players in the entire state and then 5 more who only wrestled their entire lives. I've seen teams win titles never bringing more than a kid or two off the bench for the entire season. It's possible. Kids can play all 4 qtrs. Yeah they might wear down......but then they might not, either.

So unless you're worried about injuries I'm not sure why you'd try to sell Regina's starting units over the last 5 years short. Ya know, considering you're a Regina fan- oh wait.....

 

[Soya]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
I think the first Regina team could have played that schedule due to the numbers and depth that they had. The following teams could do the one game thing and maybe a stretch of games but depth would be a concern.

Why? Are they going to get injured playing a full 9-game 4A schedule as opposed to a 1A schedule with some upper class teams sprinkled in?


Sometimes, people overrate depth because they don't really understand what it means ("our starters are good enough/better but our depth would cost us").........

I'll use basketball as an example. You can win a state championship with the 5 best players in the entire state and then 5 more who only wrestled their entire lives. I've seen teams win titles never bringing more than a kid or two off the bench for the entire season. It's possible. Kids can play all 4 qtrs. Yeah they might wear down......but then they might not, either.

So unless you're worried about injuries I'm not sure why you'd try to sell Regina's starting units over the last 5 years short. Ya know, considering you're a Regina fan- oh wait.....

I look at it from the perspective of the last starter on the team. Yeah all the good teams have good top 2,3,4 players but the last few are the difference. If you think of it like a fight the worst players on the team would be out so fast the top players would have a couple guys fighting them. I'm not saying Regina is bad or anything I'm just saying in general I believe that is a main factor in good to great teams.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Soya:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
I think the first Regina team could have played that schedule due to the numbers and depth that they had. The following teams could do the one game thing and maybe a stretch of games but depth would be a concern.

Why? Are they going to get injured playing a full 9-game 4A schedule as opposed to a 1A schedule with some upper class teams sprinkled in?


Sometimes, people overrate depth because they don't really understand what it means ("our starters are good enough/better but our depth would cost us").........

I'll use basketball as an example. You can win a state championship with the 5 best players in the entire state and then 5 more who only wrestled their entire lives. I've seen teams win titles never bringing more than a kid or two off the bench for the entire season. It's possible. Kids can play all 4 qtrs. Yeah they might wear down......but then they might not, either.

So unless you're worried about injuries I'm not sure why you'd try to sell Regina's starting units over the last 5 years short. Ya know, considering you're a Regina fan- oh wait.....

I look at it from the perspective of the last starter on the team. Yeah all the good teams have good top 2,3,4 players but the last few are the difference. If you think of it like a fight the worst players on the team would be out so fast the top players would have a couple guys fighting them. I'm not saying Regina is bad or anything I'm just saying in general I believe that is a main factor in good to great teams.

Oooh, well then let's not stop there. Please tell us just where Regina's weak points are in their lineup.

 

[cidhawkeye]

If you are talking about putting the last 5 classes together as the OP originally meant then there isn't one. There are all state players as back ups in his premise. As far as depth in the current scenario, yes I feel playing a 4A schedule would cause more dings and bumps and bruises to occur which would push them a little more.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
If you are talking about putting the last 5 classes together as the OP originally meant then there isn't one. There are all state players as back ups in his premise. As far as depth in the current scenario, yes I feel playing a 4A schedule would cause more dings and bumps and bruises to occur which would push them a little more.

Ah yeah, just a little. Alright, I got ya. Yeah, I guess it would be tougher.

 

[KidSilverhair]

I'm still trying to figure out the point of the original post. "If Regina were 4A, they'd have all the starters from the last five years in ONE CLASS!!! Look out, Jacksonville Jaguars!"

No, that's not how it would work. For one thing, you can't have 22-year-old men out there playing high school football. You don't get to cherry pick all the studs from the last five seasons and put them together - instead you'd have to figure all the extra guys who don't go to Regina now, but would be students there in a 4A scenario.

Don't get me wrong. It's interesting to look back and see the tremendous talent Regina has had recently, and even to imagine what it might be like to have them all on the same team. But that has nothing to do with "what if Regina were 4A?" That's kind of misleading.

 

[Soya]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by Soya:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
I think the first Regina team could have played that schedule due to the numbers and depth that they had. The following teams could do the one game thing and maybe a stretch of games but depth would be a concern.

Why? Are they going to get injured playing a full 9-game 4A schedule as opposed to a 1A schedule with some upper class teams sprinkled in?


Sometimes, people overrate depth because they don't really understand what it means ("our starters are good enough/better but our depth would cost us").........

I'll use basketball as an example. You can win a state championship with the 5 best players in the entire state and then 5 more who only wrestled their entire lives. I've seen teams win titles never bringing more than a kid or two off the bench for the entire season. It's possible. Kids can play all 4 qtrs. Yeah they might wear down......but then they might not, either.

So unless you're worried about injuries I'm not sure why you'd try to sell Regina's starting units over the last 5 years short. Ya know, considering you're a Regina fan- oh wait.....

I look at it from the perspective of the last starter on the team. Yeah all the good teams have good top 2,3,4 players but the last few are the difference. If you think of it like a fight the worst players on the team would be out so fast the top players would have a couple guys fighting them. I'm not saying Regina is bad or anything I'm just saying in general I believe that is a main factor in good to great teams.

Oooh, well then let's not stop there. Please tell us just where Regina's weak points are in their lineup.

Did you read my post? Specifically where I said "I'm not saying Regina is bad or anything I'm just saying in general I believe that is the main factor in good to great teams." I wasn't even talking about Regina specifically.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Soya:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by Soya:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
I think the first Regina team could have played that schedule due to the numbers and depth that they had. The following teams could do the one game thing and maybe a stretch of games but depth would be a concern.

Why? Are they going to get injured playing a full 9-game 4A schedule as opposed to a 1A schedule with some upper class teams sprinkled in?


Sometimes, people overrate depth because they don't really understand what it means ("our starters are good enough/better but our depth would cost us").........

I'll use basketball as an example. You can win a state championship with the 5 best players in the entire state and then 5 more who only wrestled their entire lives. I've seen teams win titles never bringing more than a kid or two off the bench for the entire season. It's possible. Kids can play all 4 qtrs. Yeah they might wear down......but then they might not, either.

So unless you're worried about injuries I'm not sure why you'd try to sell Regina's starting units over the last 5 years short. Ya know, considering you're a Regina fan- oh wait.....

I look at it from the perspective of the last starter on the team. Yeah all the good teams have good top 2,3,4 players but the last few are the difference. If you think of it like a fight the worst players on the team would be out so fast the top players would have a couple guys fighting them. I'm not saying Regina is bad or anything I'm just saying in general I believe that is a main factor in good to great teams.

Oooh, well then let's not stop there. Please tell us just where Regina's weak points are in their lineup.

 

[oonfoofoo]

Originally posted by notlongago:
Why did you feel the need to include bench press?

Because, it only matters how much you bench when you are on the field

 

[oonfoofoo]

And fascinating? I came here thinking I would learn how to get hot chicks or how to cure cancer....and I get this?

How about changing the subject:

What if Regina was 4A...and if monkeys flew outta my butt

 

[On Wings of Eagles]

That's what I was thinking. Sounds like an all-star team to me. Those don't happen often in one season. That's what makes a championship season special. And to run multiple championship seasons together in any sport is not as easy as people think. Dynasties are rare and don't last forever either. Also, you can't assume/take kids at their best and figure they would be contributors at that level when they were freshmen either.

The real answer to the OP question; You can always petition up if you are that curious as to how Regina would do in 4A. But you won't get to use an all-star team if you do.

What's wrong with just being happy with how Regina has done in their assigned class(es)? I wonder if the coaches of Regina would like to regularly schedule games against competitive 4A schools, if they were allowed to, just to satisfy their/your curiosity? I get it that it's fun to be the little guy and get to beat up on the big guy but it definitely has its drawbacks that could wreck a season as well.

I also think of colleges/universities that have gone from D2 to D1 over the years. Not sure it actually helped their programs or institutions in any way. I know of one that was a powerhouse in a lot of sports D2 and after 15 years or more you can't find them in any results in the win column. Gotta be tough on recruiting. I don't think NW Missouri St FB would want to move up. Scholarships aside, Winning is Winning no matter what level. Those on top don't necessarily find it attractive moving into deeper waters and in proximity to a longer food chain.

 

[Soya]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:
Yeah, actually I did. And I still want you to tell me who Regina's weak links are, provided you think they even have any.........

Apparently you don't read so good.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Soya:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:
Yeah, actually I did. And I still want you to tell me who Regina's weak links are, provided you think they even have any.........

Apparently you don't read so good. ("Well...you don't read so...well. We'll get to that.")

Or perhaps you can't quite grasp what it is I'm asking.....

 

[Soya]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by Soya:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:
Yeah, actually I did. And I still want you to tell me who Regina's weak links are, provided you think they even have any.........

Apparently you don't read so good. ("Well...you don't read so...well. We'll get to that.")

Or perhaps you can't quite grasp what it is I'm asking.....

I couldn't care any less about Regina's weaknesses or anything about them for that matter especially since I wasn't even talking about them.

 

[oonfoofoo]

Originally posted by Soya:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:
Yeah, actually I did. And I still want you to tell me who Regina's weak links are, provided you think they even have any.........

Apparently you don't read so good.

Well, read so well.

 

[Soya]

Originally posted by oonfoofoo:

Originally posted by Soya:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:
Yeah, actually I did. And I still want you to tell me who Regina's weak links are, provided you think they even have any.........

Apparently you don't read so good.

Well, read so well.

Yeah that was the joke.

 

[ORSKY1]

and a darn funny one apparently...

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Soya:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by Soya:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:
Yeah, actually I did. And I still want you to tell me who Regina's weak links are, provided you think they even have any.........

Apparently you don't read so good. ("Well...you don't read so...well. We'll get to that.")

Or perhaps you can't quite grasp what it is I'm asking.....

I couldn't care any less about Regina's weaknesses or anything about them for that matter especially since I wasn't even talking about them.

Ah so you don't actually know what you're talking about. Alright, fine. You should've just said so in the first place and I wouldn't have bothered you. Guess I'll find someone who does know what they're talking about when it comes to identifying a team's weakness (in this case, Regina's) and not just tossing out a general statement that may or may not apply to a team (in this case, Regina), since you wouldn't actually know...........................................................................................................

 

[Soya]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by Soya:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by Soya:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:
Yeah, actually I did. And I still want you to tell me who Regina's weak links are, provided you think they even have any.........

Apparently you don't read so good. ("Well...you don't read so...well. We'll get to that.")

Or perhaps you can't quite grasp what it is I'm asking.....

I couldn't care any less about Regina's weaknesses or anything about them for that matter especially since I wasn't even talking about them.

Ah so you don't actually know what you're talking about. Alright, fine. You should've just said so in the first place and I wouldn't have bothered you. Guess I'll find someone who does know what they're talking about when it comes to identifying a team's weakness (in this case, Regina's) and not just tossing out a general statement that may or may not apply to a team (in this case, Regina), since you wouldn't actually know...........................................................................................................