Turkey Valley best team in 8-Man?

[jen44]

Will any team touch these guys in the regular season? They just beat a good Kee team 46-0. I see their biggest challenge coming next week against West Central. If they get past them, they are looking at an undefeated season. I see this group as a major contender for the state championship.

 

[putt4dough]

Wow are you kidding me, you do know they play Central Elkader. Good luck

 

[tm33_08]

1. Kee isn't THAT good. They're alright, but it's not like TV just stomped Don Bosco or Exira.

2. As P4D already mentioned, TV has to play Central Elkader. That game, by far, will be their toughest test.

 

[bcmoore87]

I noticed that the computer rankings had Turkey Valley as #48 out of 56.

This definitely deserves watching.

I agree with all posters that 10/03 game at Elkader Central is a key game.

District 4 is currently rated at #8, 8-8 versus other districts: 5-4 vs 8-3, 2-4 vs 8-5, and 1-0 vs 8-6.

Whatever the outcome of TV@EC, both teams may struggle in the playoffs.

Counter-arguments, as always, is that the season is early and week 5 rankings have not arrived (top 5 teams in the week 5 rankings win about 87% of championships).

 

[putt4dough]

Central has put up 77 points a game, yes they need to see tougher compition yet but not sure why you think they will struggle in playoffs. Their defense has been as impressive as their offense.

 

[gonorse92]

:Let's pump the brakes on the Trojans. They are a good football game but they still have quite a bit to prove. There are some very good teams that could make this claim from other parts of the state but knowing northeast Iowa I can see Central, Janesville, Northwood-Kensett and Don Bosco that are all very, very good. I am not bashing the Trojans. I have seen them play. They are still in a learning curve in regards to the 8 player game. I think Riceville and Kee are not bad ball clubs but the Trojans best tests await them with West Central this week with Central looming. Springville will be solid as well. I like the Trojans and how physical they are. They have alot of kids that are seeing their first extensive playing time so they should get better as they learn and grow.

 

[tigerpride_32]

Good luck getting by Steinbron and the Blue Devils.

 

[Superbee922]

Originally posted by tigerpride_32:
Good luck getting by Steinbron and the Blue Devils.

Luck always helps but I like TV's chances.

Turkey Valley is rushing for over 250 yards / game ; West Central is allowing over 300 yards rushing / game.

West Central has thrown 7 interceptions this season ; Turkey Valley has intercepted 4 passes this season.

This will be an interesting game.

 

[gonorse92]

The key for Turkey is to play physical and,as the stats show, run the football and play keep away. Don't the know what the percentages are but teams that run for 200 yards a game win a good amount of the time regardless of what level. It should be interesting to see who imposes their will on the other team. Coach Milder has been in the business for a long time and is very good at it. The Trojan coaching staff knows it way around very well too.. Should be good game.

 

[puntdropper_56]

Without a doubt Turkey Valley is the best team in 8-man. They are undefeated so far and they have been playing without star senior Ben Wilkerson. With Wilkerson now playing they will easily handle any team that they play from here on out. This team is definitely a state championship contender.

 

[Scobelicious]

If being undefeated so far is your measuring stick for being "without a doubt" that they are the best team...there are 14 other teams in 8 Player football that can use that very same argument....time will tell

 

[high90school]

Agreed. I am sure teams like Don Bosco, Exira, Fremont Mills would welcome a shot at them any day to see what they are made of....and IMO I think all three teams would beat TV. Keep winning TV and you might get your shot at all 3 later in the year and prove us all wrong.

 

[tigerpride_32]

WIlkerson will be a big addition I just dont quite see them getting by the Blue Devils home. I do see the Trojans playing in November though.

 

[specialteamsmachine_23]

Wilkerson is a huge factor this is true he is a beast but lets talk about that connection between joe wolfe and ethan steinbronn

 

[PileJumper51]

Idk about you but Busta is tearing it up this year yo ugive him the ball 4 times in a row you get the first time everytime with the experience of there line there is no stopping them this #bigyear #bigthings

 

[puntdropper_56]

So true if Turkey Valley wants to beat West Central they cant let Steinbronn and Wolfe get hot.

 

[specialteamsmachine_23]

lets talk about central elkader. they are a team not to mess with. the main factor on there team would be kennie orr i beleive

This post was edited on 9/19 11:05 AM by specialteamsmachine_23

 

[GiveNardTheBall_11]

Why is no one talking about Central Elkader? TV and WC are very well coached and are great teams, but Central is beating teams on avg. by 55 points... Nearly avg. 500 yards a game and are man handling opponents. TV and WC will have a tough time with Central. Central has the most yards out of all the 8-man teams in the STATE. I see Central going far into November this season.

 

[tigerpride_32]

This post was edited on 9/23 9:55 PM by tigerpride_32

 

[first.34.down.]

Central's defense has very low stats compared to other teams. You don't see a lot of tackles, you don't see many losses, but you also don't see them losing. The low numbers show a decent amount of depth, shows they our forcing teams to punt early, or other teams are scoring quickly when they do score. Springville I feel will be able to compete with Turkey Valley just fine and I think can contend for #2 spot in the district. As for Kennie Orr, you have to realize offensive lineman do not have stats. Defensively he hasn't shown much but I think he shares snaps with Centrals other Nose Gaurd, Blake Rodenberg.

 

[putt4dough]

Oh tiger yes you forgot centrals win against tripoli 62-24 which as Jen44 puts it was a fluke, if 6 or 7 touchdowns go the other way. And how did West Central do against Tripoli, well yes lost 68-40 again a fluke, if 5 or 6 touchdowns went the other way. Come on i love posting on here but at least make some sort of logic.

 

[putt4dough]

and Jen44 and tiger please post scores of tonights game even when it is awful.

 

[gonorse92]

Yes not a lot of logic being used right now. As I posted before things start to shake out tonight. A Trojan win tonight does not mean a whole lot one way or the other. It gives people like us more to "talk" about. A West Central win the same. There is alot of football to be played after tonight and the district title and the state champion are far from being decided. I think it is great to see all this discussion on the 8 player boards. Good luck to everyone tonight.

 

[ETHawk]

The central and TV game will certainly be interesting. TV is still trying to figure this 8 man stuff out as evidenced by tonight's victory over west central 62-22 on which they trailed at the half 22-20.

 

[notlongago]

Originally posted by ETHawk:
The central and TV game will certainly be interesting. TV is still trying to figure this 8 man stuff out as evidenced by tonight's victory over west central 62-22 on which they trailed at the half 22-20.

There's not much to "figure out". There are several examples of teams dropping down and making it far into the playoffs, or even winning it.

 

[Class A Fan 06]

Turkey Valley or Central Elkader for that matter are not close to being the top team in 8 man. MMC, Exira/EHK, GTRA, Fremont Mills and others are better.

 

[Class A Fan 06]

Coon Rapids, East Mills, Don Bosco, N-K, West Bend all better also. Watch it play out come playoff time.

 

[ETHawk]

You don't think it's going to take a few games to figure things out playing 8 man when the players and coaches have been around 11 man football their entire lives? Based on scores alone, it's obviously a different game.

 

[notlongago]

Originally posted by ETHawk:
You don't think it's going to take a few games to figure things out playing 8 man when the players and coaches have been around 11 man football their entire lives? Based on scores alone, it's obviously a different game.

Nope I don't. A competent coach will translate very well to 8 man over a summer. It's been seen several times the past few years.

 

[first.34.down.]

Clearly to me Turkey Valley is still in an 11 man playing mode. The team is averaging 6 yards per play. It doesn't appear they have the huge plays that tend to define 8 man. They seem to be grinding it out more in more of an 11 man style. Which does work, but against teams that score fast, they won't be able to hold up.

 

[GiveNardTheBall_11]

8-man scores from across the state (If there is a score that is missing post it)

District 1

Boyer Valley, Dunlap 34, West Harrison, Mondamin 12
Newell-Fonda 56, Kingsley-Pierson 0
River Valley, Correctionville 76, Woodbine 32
Ar-We-Va, Westside 44, Exira/Elk Horn-Kimballton 73

District 2

Graettinger-Terril 32, West Bend-Mallard 26 (2 OT)
Harris-Lake Park 69, Clay Central-Everly 0
Marcus-Meriden-Cleghorn 55, Laurens-Marathon 6 (Shortened due to lightening 6:18 in 4th quarter remaining)
St. Mary's, Remsen 38, Remsen-Union 30

District 3

Clarksville 45, Rockford 14
Janesville 70, CAL, Latimer 0
Northwood-Kensett 43, North Iowa, Buffalo Center 6
Tripoli 40, Riceville 20

District 4

Central, Elkader 94, Cedar Valley Christian School 7
Kee, Lansing 52, Central City 0
Midland, Wyoming 32, Springville 19
Turkey Valley, Jackson Junction 62, West Central, Maynard 22

District 5

Colo-Nesco 50, Dunkerton 27
Don Bosco, Gilbertville 74, Meskwaki Settlement School 16
English Valleys, North English 47, Grand View Christian School 6
H-L-V, Victor 79, Tri-County, Thornburg 6

District 6

Lamoni 54, Moravia 12
Melcher-Dallas 68, Harmony, Farmington 8
Mormon Trail, Garden Grove 38, Wayne, Corydon 27
Twin Cedars, Bussey 68, Seymour 8

District 7

Coon Rapids-Bayard 64, Adair-Casey 20
Glidden-Ralston 64, East Union, Afton 6
Guthrie Center 33, Murray 32
Northeast Hamilton, Blairsburg 38, Ankeny Christian Academy 14

District 8

CAM, Anita 82, Essex 26
Fremont-Mills, Tabor 59, Nishnabotna 14
Sidney 27, Lenox 14
Stanton 66, East Mills 54

This post was edited on 9/21 9:30 PM by GiveNardTheBall_11

This post was edited on 9/21 9:31 PM by GiveNardTheBall_11

 

[first.34.down.]

Class A Fan: how do you really know who the best teams are across the state? There's no way you could have possibly seen everyone play. It seems the West side of the state has a larger group of well rounded teams but I think there's some teams on the east side that could compete just fine with the schools on the west. I would say some of the best are Freemont, Exira, and Don Bosco for sure. The other teams that are at the top will slowly creep their way into all of our top teams.

 

[Class A Fan 06]

Just take a deeper look. Who has experienced kids, who has success vs. tough competition, even comparative scores are much more accurate predictor in 8 man than bigger schools or college and pros. Just because a team is averaging 80 points a game doesn't mean they are better than say a team averaging 30. They may have played terrible competition while a team averaging 30 has had a meatgrinder schedule. I obviously don't see all the teams. This year I have seen MMC, GTRA, West Bend, N-K, Bosco and Springville. My conclusions on the eastern teams are for these reasons: N-K lost to GTRA and West Bend but all around looked like a better team than Don Bosco which is supposed to be one of the better teams in the east. N-K and DB had a nail biter last year then a 20 ish something loss in the playoffs. Jake Hogan was the only reason N-K lost those games, they just couldn't stop him. So back to this year. Hogan is gone as well as a few others. Most all of N-K's top players return. When N-K's QB returned after missing 3 quarters vs. GTRA and all of West Bend they have looked very salty. I know this got to be a long winded post but I hope it explains my logic. Maybe flawed, maybe not. We won't know till probably the semis but it should be fun. This week I will try to predict the winners of all the games in the week 5 discussion thread. See how I do.

 

[first.34.down.]

Seems logical. I was just questioning why you thought the way you did.

 

[notlongago]

Originally posted by Class A Fan 06:

Just take a deeper look. Who has experienced kids, who has success vs. tough competition, even comparative scores are much more accurate predictor in 8 man than bigger schools or college and pros. Just because a team is averaging 80 points a game doesn't mean they are better than say a team averaging 30. They may have played terrible competition while a team averaging 30 has had a meatgrinder schedule. I obviously don't see all the teams. This year I have seen MMC, GTRA, West Bend, N-K, Bosco and Springville. My conclusions on the eastern teams are for these reasons: N-K lost to GTRA and West Bend but all around looked like a better team than Don Bosco which is supposed to be one of the better teams in the east. N-K and DB had a nail biter last year then a 20 ish something loss in the playoffs. Jake Hogan was the only reason N-K lost those games, they just couldn't stop him. So back to this year. Hogan is gone as well as a few others. Most all of N-K's top players return. When N-K's QB returned after missing 3 quarters vs. GTRA and all of West Bend they have looked very salty. I know this got to be a long winded post but I hope it explains my logic. Maybe flawed, maybe not. We won't know till probably the semis but it should be fun. This week I will try to predict the winners of all the games in the week 5 discussion thread. See how I do.

WAY too many assumptions/conclusions drawn from last season.

 

[Class A Fan 06]

We shall see Bosco Fanatic, I mean notlongago

 

[PicksAndSticks]

: Turkey Valley best team in 8-Man?[/URL]Class A Fan 06 posted on 9/21/2014...

"Just take a deeper look. Who has experienced kids, who has success vs. tough competition, even comparative scores are much more accurate predictor in 8 man than bigger schools or college and pros. Just because a team is averaging 80 points a game doesn't mean they are better than say a team averaging 30. They may have played terrible competition while a team averaging 30 has had a meatgrinder schedule. I obviously don't see all the teams. This year I have seen MMC, GTRA, West Bend, N-K, Bosco and Springville. My conclusions on the eastern teams are for these reasons: N-K lost to GTRA and West Bend but all around looked like a better team than Don Bosco which is supposed to be one of the better teams in the east. N-K and DB had a nail biter last year then a 20 ish something loss in the playoffs. Jake Hogan was the only reason N-K lost those games, they just couldn't stop him. So back to this year. Hogan is gone as well as a few others. Most all of N-K's top players return. When N-K's QB returned after missing 3 quarters vs. GTRA and all of West Bend they have looked very salty. I know this got to be a long winded post but I hope it explains my logic. Maybe flawed, maybe not. We won't know till probably the semis but it should be fun. This week I will try to predict the winners of all the games in the week 5 discussion thread. See how I do."

I was also at this game and I know I've considered GTRA not the best team, but they were way better than NK. Plus the NK QB played till half. GTRA already had a large lead even when he was in there.

 

[Class A Fan 06]

Picks, I agree GTRA was better than N-K. So you see my point why I don't think some of the eastern teams are the best in the state. I feel N-K can play with any of those teams. Yet GTRA is much better than them and other teams are better yet than GTRA. I just don't think Turkey Valley and Central Elkader would even be a blip on the radar if they were west of I-35.

 

[Vikingblood]

I think you got your answer last night with Cental's win 64 to 34.

It was tough to watch the Trojan's sportsmanship fall once they knew their defeat was certain.

I think the 8 man team with the undoubtedly best sportsmanship are the group from Cedar Valley Christian. They will be a fun group to watch develop in the future.

I think the group at Central has the best team this year in 8 man as they continue to play like a team and not individuals. They have a true brotherhood that makes their team special this year.

 

[gonorse92]

Central is the real deal. Fitzgerald is very good. Runs hard, hits the hole fast and stays low add in very good speed and he is better than advertise(which was very good). The line did a good job for him but he had a lot of yard after contact. I am not blaming the Trojan loss on the officials but the officiating was just not good. They called Central for unsportsmanlike conduct after a fairly big sack and the young man did really did nothing to warrant that kind of call. A lot of holding going and I mean not with in the frame work of the body holding. Grab a jersey and hang on type of holding. One of the on side kicks from Central was quite evidently touched by Central before the 10 yard mark. It was very obvious, Central fan or Turkey Valley fan. either way. Those things happen and some of the Trojan fans did not respond very well to it and that is not right. The officials were not the difference in the game. Both of these teams are good. Central is rock solid and one of my favorites to be in the Dome. Turkey has work to do but I think they realize that but they are not 30 points wore the Central in my opinion. I am sure others that were at the game might beg to differ. Lots of football to be played yet.