once again the RPI continues to be one giant joke! Go back to top two in the district or pay bcmoore. because these top 16 teams aren't even close to being the best 16.
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Essentially he thinks that St. Albert is a top 16 team. I will say that they have played a difficult schedule, but the 6 teams that will be at large teams I have no problem with, a couple of teams that will be district champs are the ones who shouldn't make it.
Ah, I don't have an issue with the RPI for class A and in my opinion if they are district champs then they have every right to it before a non district champ whether one team is "better" or not. They took care of business on the schedule they had laid out in front of them. There are much better teams in some divisions of the NFL and a weaker division throws in a 10-6, 9-7 team that makes the playoffs.
Apples and oranges. Those are professionals, so even 9-7 and 8-8 are competitive. The district 8 winner will lose by a significant margin in the first round no matter who they play.
It isn't necessarily that I think SA should be in, though they should be. That's neither her nor there. I am officially on the North Tama bandwagon as they have won FALCONFANX3 burger of the year contest! IDK how or what they did but they have the best burger in small school iowa. but back to the topic at hand. If the RPI is suppose to allow the best 16 teams to make the playoffs it isn't even close. It's just a matter of who plays cupcakes and who's cupcakes play good teams. the rankings and systems are a joke and flawed. Many teams not in should be in, and many teams in should be practicing for basketball
For example the fact that Westwood Sloan is ranked above tri center...who they loss too...is a total joke. even if you compare losses! Tri Centers losses are to teams who have a combined 4 losses! sloans losses barely have a combined 10 wins...someone please explain how that makes sense...
Westwood has 2 losses and 1 of them is to 7-1 Woodbury Central who lost to a good Hinton team. And then Tri-Center like you just stated so I guess out of their two losses the 12-4 record for those teams isn't very good. I would definitely agree head to head should take precedent in most cases but again, the fact is Westwood has a current better record and there losses are not bad losses. Westwood will more than likely lose this week in my opinion to LB and TC should have a win so this scenario you are using to point out RPI isn't going to matter.
Westwoods non district schedule...their opponets are a combined 10-22. They played cupcake, and cherry pop.
so therefor rpi should matter because tri center played a legit non district schedule meanwhile westwood did not. Plus the head to head aspect which clearly defines who is better.
gehlen, alta, and ikm also shouldn't be considered Imo. But once again this is my pinion. Eye test should matter. If you say otherwise, we'll you're just wrong
Tri-Center Opp: 35 - 29 and about to play a 2-7 team which will be 2-8 so
37 - 37 final opp record
Westwood Opp: 26 - 38 and about to play a 5-3 who I think will win so will be 6-3 so 34 - 41 final opp record
not that big of difference lol.
37 - 37 final opp record
Westwood Opp: 26 - 38 and about to play a 5-3 who I think will win so will be 6-3 so 34 - 41 final opp record
not that big of difference lol.
Tri centers SOS is significantly tougher than sloans, come on... it's not even close. if only they played to see who was better...wait they did..Tri center isn't going to make the playoffs, even if they win on friday. Sloan most likely will if they win. Thats a shame for the kids, and a stain on the IAHSAA and its "rpi, the best make it' system
Oh man your eye test must not be very valid. Gehlen isn't deserving because they lost to a 7-1 WC, a 7-1 1A West Sioux and a 6-2 Hinton? They should be in the discussion
Alta lost to a 3A storm lake, 7-1 South O Brien and 5-3 IKM. They should be in the discussion
IKM lost to 6-2 ACGC, 7-1 (2A? 1A?) Underwood, and an undefeated South Central Calhoun. They should be in the discussion
What more do you want from those teams? To play exactly who SA plays so its fair for SA? Those are not easy ND, or regular season schedules.
Alta lost to a 3A storm lake, 7-1 South O Brien and 5-3 IKM. They should be in the discussion
IKM lost to 6-2 ACGC, 7-1 (2A? 1A?) Underwood, and an undefeated South Central Calhoun. They should be in the discussion
What more do you want from those teams? To play exactly who SA plays so its fair for SA? Those are not easy ND, or regular season schedules.
If Westwood wins against LB they should be in at 7-2, and 3 loss teams should be in the bubble discussion. It's not that hard to decipher.
my discussion has absolutely nothing to do with SA at all. They aren't going to get in nor should they. They didn't take care of business early on. So be it. My discussion is how is the simplest and oldest fashioned way to decide who is better. Play head to head. They did, tri-center won handidly, yet will not get rewarded for that/ How is that 'fair'
my eye test is pretty good actually. Alta's losses including to IKM aren't great. they're and average football team at best. The hinton, south o, gehlen district after seeing them play is extremely overacted. both teams who make it from that district will lose round 1 of the playoffs. IMO district 3,4, and 6 are the only districts deserving off for sure two teams each in class A
But i am not here to bash nor argue. So i wish everyone and their team the best of luck. If anyone knows any good small town teams with a Great playoff burger that I need to try. let me know!!
that is not how RPI works, all 9 of your team's records are already included, so playing a 2-7 team does not make you add 2 to Win column and 7 to loss column. 6 of those losses are already figured in
Gehlen is very young and I agree that they probably won't make much noise if they squeek in. South O'Brien and Hinton play a hard nosed brand of football and it will be a matchup factor on if they win or not first round. D1 is not special, I agree but they took care of business when they needed to. Tri-center did beat Westwood and I 100 percent agree with you that head to head should make a big determining factor but records also should. Again, I don't like to use the NFL or NCAA as an example but Iowa beating Ohio State handily a couple years ago doesn't mean they should have replaced them in the playoffs. The awful dolphins finding a way to beat the patriots almost every year doesn't mean they should be ahead of them in any way either.
Also, whoops.
"It isn't necessarily that I think SA should be in, though they should be."
"my discussion has absolutely nothing to do with SA at all. They aren't going to get in nor should they."
Also, whoops.
"It isn't necessarily that I think SA should be in, though they should be."
"my discussion has absolutely nothing to do with SA at all. They aren't going to get in nor should they."
I understand they're figured in already. That wasn't the point of my comment.
original point the best 16 aren't in. where i stated SA imo should be. Eye test. they should be in. the point we have been arguing about (sloan and tri center) is where i said this has nothing to do with SA at all...try to keep up. You can disagree but your football knowledge seems to be lapse. I'll let your judgments slide. Your opinons on record are also 110% flawed. What happens if those schools play up and do not have a good record? They still played up. That should count way more than beating an average or below average school in your class..and again this isn't nfl or college..it's high school. where barring injury normally the best usually win and would win if played again.
I guess all of those teams you mentioned should just stop playing because you deem them not worthy because of your amazing eye sight. Are we all to stupid too realize this happens every year, in every system, and will never change? There will never be a system that gets the best 16 in or whatever the number. Communities rally around kids every year and regardless of what the format, play their hearts out and hope at the end of the day they get a chance to play in the post season whether your eyes believe they should or not. I get you're not bashing.....but understand they are just playing to the rules laid out before them.
My opinions on record are flawed? I pointed out that Gehlen played up against arguably the best 1A team. I pointed out that Alta played up against 3A Storm Lake but it doesn't matter for Alta because their losses are bad. Their losses are justifiable just like Tri-Centers and I said that 3 loss teams are on the bubble and should be in the discussion. The state should use your eye test to let teams on the bubble in. Would be a way better option.
Falconfan I do agree that the RPI isn't perfect. To me ideally you classify all the schools for 2 years, then schools are allowed to play whoever they want. At the end of a year a committee made up of ADs, school administrators, newspaper writers, and former coaches gets together and selects the best teams to make the playoffs out of every class. They can use things like RPI, BC Moore, and other rankings. The only problem there is who is on that committee and how much politics come into play. I do agree though not all schedules are equal even if two schools have the exact same RPI.
The RPI system is silly because it does not reward or punish for playing up a class or down a class at all. a victory over 4a Dowling equals a victory over MMCRU.
Nebraska uses a point system based on who you beat and lose to. Division 1 teams are temas that are 7-2 or better, division 2 teams are 4-4 -6-3, and division 3 teams are 3-6 or worse. you get 50 points for w over D! team, 45 for D2 Win, and 40 for D3 win, you get 30 for loss to D1 team, 25 for loss to D2 team and 20 for loss to D3 team. plus you get a bonus 5 either way for playing up a class . then they average it out and top 8 non district winners get in. This would even everything a bit more than current system
Nebraska uses a point system based on who you beat and lose to. Division 1 teams are temas that are 7-2 or better, division 2 teams are 4-4 -6-3, and division 3 teams are 3-6 or worse. you get 50 points for w over D! team, 45 for D2 Win, and 40 for D3 win, you get 30 for loss to D1 team, 25 for loss to D2 team and 20 for loss to D3 team. plus you get a bonus 5 either way for playing up a class . then they average it out and top 8 non district winners get in. This would even everything a bit more than current system
This is just the RPI system at its finest. Tri-Center's losses are to tough teams not cupcake teams. Tri-Center just beat Westwood by 20!
I 110% agree with everything you just said. There is nothing better than small town football!
I do disagree with the bash about my eyesight tho...its a perfect 20/80 vision. that equals 100. Perfect score
I don't believe there is as much variance in talent between A and 1A as some of you may think. Yes, the top 3 or 4 1A are better, especially this year, but #5 vs #5 (whoever that is) would be a hell-a-va game. 2 classes - then yes, I can see that.
The thing I wish could be addressed more by the RPI formula is margin of victory. A 13-14 loss, IMO should not count as much as a 0-42 loss. A team that is 0-3 with 3 close losses (<=8) to top 5 teams in my opinion is closer to a top 10 team, than a team that is 0-3 against the same three teams where the deficit was 35+ each game.
That's why I have always liked the bcmoore approach (not that it is perfect), but I think it is a better reflection of the relative competitiveness than the current RPI system. Then, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what your schedule looks like (other than maybe a minor class adjustment factor) - wouldn't even need districts per say.
The thing I wish could be addressed more by the RPI formula is margin of victory. A 13-14 loss, IMO should not count as much as a 0-42 loss. A team that is 0-3 with 3 close losses (<=8) to top 5 teams in my opinion is closer to a top 10 team, than a team that is 0-3 against the same three teams where the deficit was 35+ each game.
That's why I have always liked the bcmoore approach (not that it is perfect), but I think it is a better reflection of the relative competitiveness than the current RPI system. Then, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what your schedule looks like (other than maybe a minor class adjustment factor) - wouldn't even need districts per say.
zowwy21. i usually always respect your opinions and i still do. But besides britt there isn't a single class a team that could compete with the top 10 in 1A. class A is really down this year. in past years absolutely. But not this year
Ok, as much as I hate to admit it, after further research I would concede. 2017 was the one year in the last few, where A was competitive with the top 1A teams. It was surprising though how few of times there are top 10 matchups between A and 1A (based on BCMoore). Thanks for keeping me honest falconfax3 
Hey, I’ve found someone else like me who thinks Nebraska’s system might work better. It’s basically the old Iowa 4A points system with more tiers and a reward for playing up.
I agree to a certain extent. One head to head game shouldnt be the over deciding factor, otherwise the rest of the season would be considered meaningless.
Overall though, not a big factor in the playoffs. Westwood and Tri-Center would get thumped in the 1st rd.
Overall though, not a big factor in the playoffs. Westwood and Tri-Center would get thumped in the 1st rd.
