Right now, how do you feel about the association controlling the pairings?
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I feel these were the rounds where state won't have much say because some of the distances etc played their hand. I do feel they help protect EHK for a round to give peppers another round of rest. If they have to go to MMC with a 80% Peppers I feel they lose. Going to sidney instead I feel they can beat them without a healthy Peppers. I had most of the match ups correct so just feel MMC and GTRA got bad end of the deal.
I don't really mind it! The one thing I would like to see is teams that
don't finish over 500 overall on the season should not make the
playoffs. I know they may have a tough non district schedule or tough
district but to have 2,3, even 4 win teams in instead of some 5 win
teams seems somewhat wrong. It may be mean some districts don't get the
same amount of teams but to me you should have to have a winning record.
It is the postseason for a reason and I think you need to earn it (Good
Life Lesson). May mean odd number of teams but then reward the teams
that go undefeated and so forth. It could be done! I also think it
should be the same in all other sports as well such as basketball and
baseball. I know the one thing that people in Boone would say is that
will lower ticket sales but if you are putting the better and best teams
in you would think you would get bigger crowds and gather more
interest. Just my thoughts.
don't finish over 500 overall on the season should not make the
playoffs. I know they may have a tough non district schedule or tough
district but to have 2,3, even 4 win teams in instead of some 5 win
teams seems somewhat wrong. It may be mean some districts don't get the
same amount of teams but to me you should have to have a winning record.
It is the postseason for a reason and I think you need to earn it (Good
Life Lesson). May mean odd number of teams but then reward the teams
that go undefeated and so forth. It could be done! I also think it
should be the same in all other sports as well such as basketball and
baseball. I know the one thing that people in Boone would say is that
will lower ticket sales but if you are putting the better and best teams
in you would think you would get bigger crowds and gather more
interest. Just my thoughts.
Bball scout not allowing teams in basketball or baseball with losing record to make districts is beyond dumb. You realize some schools play in way bigger conferences than what they are? Also in baseball you can play 40 games so as a coach if you go out and play those games vs good competition to prepare for districts and you lose you get punished for it? Please think about your ideas before you speak in football maybe but the other two sports is absurd.
The distance is only going to have more influence as we eliminate teams each round. With 32 teams, there was a good chance that at least two 1/4 or 2/3 teams would be within 125 miles of each other. That's going to become less likely as we move forward, which will then leave the state simply pairing up the teams that are closest to each other. Maybe they shake things up in the quarterfinals since it's on a Friday and won't take distance into account (or at least not give it as much weight), which would also make sense if they wanted to give the best teams remaining the best chance of reaching the dome.
Before responding to me please read the post season manual. Round one only round where the 125 mile is in play. After that it's reasonable distance with couple other things. Like in round 2 district champions can't play each other. So don't assume that the 125 rule is all round because by post season manual it is not. So my statement from before is 100% accurate a lot of first round match ups the state hand their hand played.
Before responding to me, re-read my post and tell me where I said they're going to stick with the 125-mile rule? I said distance will only play more of a factor in the second round, especially since district champs can't meet. A "reasonable distance" for a Monday night game is basically going to result in matching up the teams closest to each other, because there will be even fewer options to choose from as we continue to eliminate teams.
This post was edited on 10/27 8:28 AM by tm33_08
This post was edited on 10/27 8:28 AM by tm33_08
The distance is only going to have more influence as we eliminate teams each round. With 32 teams, there was a good chance that at least two 1/4 or 2/3 teams would be within 125 miles of each other. That's going to become less likely as we move forward, which will then leave the state simply pairing up the teams that are closest to each other.
I guess when you say thats going to become less likely moving forward right after you say the 125 mile rule. Also you say it will leave the state pairing up teams closest to each other which isn't true because in round 2 district champions cannot play each other.
I guess when you say thats going to become less likely moving forward right after you say the 125 mile rule. Also you say it will leave the state pairing up teams closest to each other which isn't true because in round 2 district champions cannot play each other.
Which only serves to limit the state's options even further. Most teams probably had 3-5 potential opponents that were within 125 miles for the first round. With the rule against pairing district champs, a lot of teams in the second round will be lucky if there's more than 1-2 within a "reasonable distance" (which, for a Monday night game, probably isn't going to be defined as much more than 125 miles).
I don't disagree with what they are trying to do, but for coaches it is a nightmare. One thing I haven't heard mentioned is the difficulty of film exchange. At least with a bracket you know the two teams you potentially will need to switch with, and a lot of times teams are scouting the game on the opposite side of the bracket so it could be arranged easily. With the new system, you don't know who you're going to need to exchange film with until the middle of the night, and then tracking down the opposing coach and scheduling an exchange time eats up precious time, especially with the quick turnaround between games early on. Maybe most have Hudl, but not every school can afford it.
3-5 was exaggerated, but it's not like there's suddenly going to be more schools nearby when the number of teams still alive is getting cut in half. If you're a 1-seed and you advance to the second round, there are (likely) only 8 teams in the entire state that you could play. You would be playing the closest non-district champion, which then leaves the leftovers to get paired up, where nearly everyone is playing the closest remaining school. Doing anything else in the name of creating more competitive games or splitting up the best teams is only going to create longer drives for a Monday night game.
Reducing the number of options doesn't create more flexibility. It does the exact opposite. Which was my point all along, in case you're still not grasping that.
Yes i understand that but what I'm saying is the state will control lets say BV wins first round. Coon EHK MMC Newell all win the state can select any of those teams to now go play BV. They get to control the match ups more of who they want to see. Eastern Iowa won't be that hard but Western Iowa is going to be a lot of who the state feels is best teams etc which is my whole point.
I think what really screws with the state making the pairings themselves and having criteria for it are the teams that are on islands and not really near anyone else especially after the first round (Fremont Mills, Lamoni, Harris Lake Park, Melcher Dallas). With the mileage restrictions they really handicap themselves in who they can send where with those teams. I dont know how they will do second round but if they follow from what they did with first round it really limits who those outliers can and can't play.
Second round: "Reasonable attempts will be made to find non-district playoff opponents for 2nd round games, but district match ups could reoccur if an opponent cannot be found within a reasonable distance."
I am curious to know what they define or feel is a "resonable distance." I would assume that they probably set that in round 1 with the 125 mile limit but its hard telling. Such a grey area there really espcially for teams like Lamoni who really might not have another option to go to other than a district team if they were to win their first round game. Not much available for them inside of that 125 miles other than district teams unless the state expands that a little bit to 150 miles or more.
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