Quarterfinal Breakdown

[usfhawk]

Central Decatur @ Regina

Prediction: Regina 42-7

CDL: Fairly balanced team with a solid RB. CDL will need to be more efficient passing the football and not have any turnovers. They have given up some points all season, and got rolled by Panorama early in the season.

Regina: They are what they are. Big, talented, and skilled. They will spread the ball around and stay balanced. Should cruise to the semis.

Players to Watch:
Drew Cook
Trenton Wells

Dike New Hartford @ South Winn

Prediction: South Winn 21-20

DNH: DNH seems to be peaking at the right time. This is a rematch from week 7. If DNH has a chance they will need to find a way to get SO RB Trent Johnson going. He was shut down in their first meeting and DNH was forced to pass more than normal. I they get the running game going watch out.

South Winn: Solid team with multiple playmakers in the run game and passing game. Jordan Rommes is a stud.

Players to Watch:
Trent Johnson
Logan Schweinefus

IKM Manning @ West Lyon

Prediction: Pick em

IKM: IKM will try to ride RB Sam Wegner. If they get him going they are tough to stop. They will need to get Wegner outside of WL's front seven. QB Kyle Wagner has the ability to throw the ball and has been efficient all season.

WL: West Lyon has a ground and pound offense. They will need to take care of the football and block and tackle well against IKM.

Players to Watch:
Same Wegner
Dylan Whalen

South Central Calhoun @ Fort Dodge St. Edmond

Prediction: FDSE 42-7

SSC: SSC is a team that will throw it around a little bit and will test FDSE's pass defense. Their QB will need to be on target and stay away from turnovers. Defensively, they will need to improve against the run. FDSE will run right at them.

FDSE: FDSE does not hide what they want to do, and that is run the ball right at you. No teams in the state throw less than FDSE. They will give the ball to TJ OTool early and often.

Players to Watch:
TJ O'Tool
Derrick Henkenius

 

[PNation]

Pretty good analysis, I think I would pick West Lyon by a touchdown

 

[maxstabs13]

I have a differing opinion on some of these...

Regina up by 42+ at half and scrubs are in.

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My analysis of DNH/SW... SW is a very solid rushing defense. DNH has the ability to pass or rush. They attacked what I consider a weakness for SW in the passing defense. It kept the game close and manageable to possibly win.

I think with the cooler weather this will be tough to do again, but SW has a stout rushing defense so offense may be hard to come by for DNH. SW on the other hand opted to try rushing from every angle and limited passing attempts. I think based on the success they had doing that first time around they should be able to escape with the win. I do however think DNH would win this game if in warm weather or the Dome.

SW by 6-10

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IKM-M and WL... I think you are pretty spot on with this Prediction. It can absolutely go either way. Tradition says go with WL though.

IKM-M has a better defense both rushing(slight) and passing(big). WL however has an offensive advantage in the rushing game(slight) and since they are a rushing offense and not a passing one that pass defense for IKM-M is pretty insignificant. One slight cancels the other slight. You go with your gut. My gut says WL. No clue by how much.... Depends on ball security and barring injuries.

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I think we similar results as the first time around for this matchup. FDSE will win, but the inability for them to defend the pass will keep SCC within a decent distance. It will be an inevitably cold weather game and that may make the spread slightly more as cooler weather makes WR hands harder...

FDSE by 14-28

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by maxstabs13:

I have a differing opinion on some of these...

Regina up by 42+ at half and scrubs are in.

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My analysis of DNH/SW... SW is a very solid rushing defense. DNH has the ability to pass or rush. They attacked what I consider a weakness for SW in the passing defense. It kept the game close and manageable to possibly win.

I think with the cooler weather this will be tough to do again, but SW has a stout rushing defense so offense may be hard to come by for DNH. SW on the other hand opted to try rushing from every angle and limited passing attempts. I think based on the success they had doing that first time around they should be able to escape with the win. I do however think DNH would win this game if in warm weather or the Dome.
Could South Winn's D make the Wolverines one-dimensional in the Dome as well? How was the weather when these two teams first met at Dike? D-NH rushed for 88 yds on 25 carries and no scores in their first meeting.

SW by 6-10

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IKM-M and WL... I think you are pretty spot on with this Prediction. It can absolutely go either way. Tradition says go with WL though.

IKM-M has a better defense both rushing(slight) and passing(big). WL however has an offensive advantage in the rushing game(slight) and since they are a rushing offense and not a passing one that pass defense for IKM-M is pretty insignificant. One slight cancels the other slight. You go with your gut. My gut says WL. No clue by how much.... Depends on ball security and barring injuries.

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I think we similar results as the first time around for this matchup. FDSE will win, but the inability for them to defend the pass will keep SCC within a decent distance. It will be an inevitably cold weather game and that may make the spread slightly more as cooler weather makes WR hands harder...
SE's defense tends to allow teams enough separation to move the ball between the 20s, particularly in the passing game. Their pass defense has improved though down the stretch. They're starting to play a bit tighter in coverage and they're breaking on balls a bit quicker. A-H-S-T-W wasn't a big passing team and certainly not the best they've faced or will face, but the Gaels held them to zero yards on 1 of 8 passing and an INT. The one thing I've learned watching these different teams over the last few years, particularly with all these different spread attacks and dual threat QBs.....is that the one main difference (technically two) is the best teams have the talent to do it and they execute their offense the best.

Regina doesn't run many different plays than most spread teams. They just have better athletes AND they execute their plays better.

FDSE by 14-28

 

[Pinehawk]

So, you're saying talent and execution are the key to success?

I think you've nailed it.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
So, you're saying talent and execution are the key to success?

I think you've nailed it.

Sure....so then if a team with comparable talent executes their one-dimensional run offense well enough, then they'd beat Regina, right?

 

[Pinehawk]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
So, you're saying talent and execution are the key to success?

I think you've nailed it.

Sure....so then if a team with comparable talent executes their one-dimensional run offense well enough, then they'd beat Regina, right?

I hope we get a chance to find out.

 

[Clones1515]

For what it's worth, the weather of the first SW/DNH game was perfect. About 50 degrees at kickoff and very little wind. It should be interesting to see how it plays out Friday night.

 

[Liberty Hawk]

Pinehawk - are you not a big fan of Regina?

 

[Pinehawk]

I am. Just looking forward to a potential matchup if things work out.

 

[LBdomination12]

Originally posted by usfhawk:
Central Decatur @ Regina

Prediction: Regina 42-7

CDL: Fairly balanced team with a solid RB. CDL will need to be more efficient passing the football and not have any turnovers. They have given up some points all season, and got rolled by Panorama early in the season.

Regina: They are what they are. Big, talented, and skilled. They will spread the ball around and stay balanced. Should cruise to the semis.

Players to Watch:
Drew Cook
Trenton Wells

Dike New Hartford @ South Winn

Prediction: South Winn 21-20

DNH: DNH seems to be peaking at the right time. This is a rematch from week 7. If DNH has a chance they will need to find a way to get SO RB Trent Johnson going. He was shut down in their first meeting and DNH was forced to pass more than normal. I they get the running game going watch out.

South Winn: Solid team with multiple playmakers in the run game and passing game. Jordan Rommes is a stud.

Players to Watch:
Trent Johnson
Logan Schweinefus

IKM Manning @ West Lyon

Prediction: Pick em

IKM: IKM will try to ride RB Sam Wegner. If they get him going they are tough to stop. They will need to get Wegner outside of WL's front seven. QB Kyle Wagner has the ability to throw the ball and has been efficient all season.

WL: West Lyon has a ground and pound offense. They will need to take care of the football and block and tackle well against IKM.

Players to Watch:
Same Wegner
Dylan Whalen

South Central Calhoun @ Fort Dodge St. Edmond

Prediction: FDSE 42-7

SSC: SSC is a team that will throw it around a little bit and will test FDSE's pass defense. Their QB will need to be on target and stay away from turnovers. Defensively, they will need to improve against the run. FDSE will run right at them.

FDSE: FDSE does not hide what they want to do, and that is run the ball right at you. No teams in the state throw less than FDSE. They will give the ball to TJ OTool early and often.

Players to Watch:
TJ O'Tool
Derrick Henkenius

pick em???

Really!?!!?! I see IKM as a 3 score favorite. As stated above IKMs defense is tough. After watching the wolves a few times this year I was very impressed with their defense. Hard nosed and hard hitting. Im not sure WL has seen this type of intensity from a defense all year. But, i know little about West Lyon other than they lost everyone from last year.

Regina prediction is right on. They will roll early then put in the young guys and give up a score or 2.

South Winn / dike game will be a good one. I know nothing about either team, but Dike seems to be peaking. Cant argue the close prediction there.

I think SSC will play with St edmond. A team needs to figure out how to stop there run game. Their rb has like 300 or more carries this year so you knwo where the ball is going. I think St edmond will win but it will be much closer. 21-14 maybe

 

[Bringin the Heat]

IKM-Manning's defense is above average, but isn't as good as St Edmond's defense. IKM couldn't stop Madrid's offense until Santi re-injured his ankle on the last play before halftime, then they couldn't do much. St Edmond just flat out shut down Madrid. The whole game. Period. West Lyon will be able to move the ball against the Wolves.

I think IKM-M is a dang good football team. Wegner is the best running back I have seen this season, and D7 had 3 exceptional RBs in O'Tool, Santi, and Lentz. He is an incredibly hard tackle, has very good balance, and is one of only 2 athletes I saw run Santi down from behind this year (the other being Ivan Johnson #84 from Woodward Academy). The difficult thing for IKM-M is that they are very easy to predict based on formation and alignment of Wegner. If West Lyon can overload away from him and yet keep the edge for quick toss, they will be okay. Madrid just didn't have enough horses left to do that. Outside LBs and DEs are critical to stopping IKM's buck sweep and power plays. If West Lyon plays physical, smash mouth football and controls the LOS with their big boys, they will have success against the Wolves. IKM will pass quite a bit, but besides Wegner, their other receivers are average.

West Lyon in a close one.

It's gonna be an excellent game to watch. I just wish they were playing in Manning so I could go watch this game!

 

[CP84]

Originally posted by LBdomination12:

Originally posted by usfhawk:
Central Decatur @ Regina

Prediction: Regina 42-7

CDL: Fairly balanced team with a solid RB. CDL will need to be more efficient passing the football and not have any turnovers. They have given up some points all season, and got rolled by Panorama early in the season.

Regina: They are what they are. Big, talented, and skilled. They will spread the ball around and stay balanced. Should cruise to the semis.

Players to Watch:
Drew Cook
Trenton Wells

Dike New Hartford @ South Winn

Prediction: South Winn 21-20

DNH: DNH seems to be peaking at the right time. This is a rematch from week 7. If DNH has a chance they will need to find a way to get SO RB Trent Johnson going. He was shut down in their first meeting and DNH was forced to pass more than normal. I they get the running game going watch out.

South Winn: Solid team with multiple playmakers in the run game and passing game. Jordan Rommes is a stud.

Players to Watch:
Trent Johnson
Logan Schweinefus

IKM Manning @ West Lyon

Prediction: Pick em

IKM: IKM will try to ride RB Sam Wegner. If they get him going they are tough to stop. They will need to get Wegner outside of WL's front seven. QB Kyle Wagner has the ability to throw the ball and has been efficient all season.

WL: West Lyon has a ground and pound offense. They will need to take care of the football and block and tackle well against IKM.

Players to Watch:
Same Wegner
Dylan Whalen

South Central Calhoun @ Fort Dodge St. Edmond

Prediction: FDSE 42-7

SSC: SSC is a team that will throw it around a little bit and will test FDSE's pass defense. Their QB will need to be on target and stay away from turnovers. Defensively, they will need to improve against the run. FDSE will run right at them.

FDSE: FDSE does not hide what they want to do, and that is run the ball right at you. No teams in the state throw less than FDSE. They will give the ball to TJ OTool early and often.

Players to Watch:
TJ O'Tool
Derrick Henkenius

pick em???

Really!?!!?! I see IKM as a 3 score favorite. As stated above IKMs defense is tough. After watching the wolves a few times this year I was very impressed with their defense. Hard nosed and hard hitting. Im not sure WL has seen this type of intensity from a defense all year. But, i know little about West Lyon other than they lost everyone from last year.

Regina prediction is right on. They will roll early then put in the young guys and give up a score or 2.

South Winn / dike game will be a good one. I know nothing about either team, but Dike seems to be peaking. Cant argue the close prediction there.

I think SSC will play with St edmond. A team needs to figure out how to stop there run game. Their rb has like 300 or more carries this year so you knwo where the ball is going. I think St edmond will win but it will be much closer. 21-14 maybe

I think FDSE scores more than 21 points. Only twice this season they've scored less than 30 (Garrigan in the 1st game of the year and Manson in a 21-0 game). FDSE put up 38 against them last game. I'll take FDSE 34-14.

 

[maxstabs13]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by maxstabs13:


Could South Winn's D make the Wolverines one-dimensional in the Dome as well? How was the weather when these two teams first met at Dike? D-NH rushed for 88 yds on 25 carries and no scores in their first meeting.
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SE's defense tends to allow teams enough separation to move the ball between the 20s, particularly in the passing game. Their pass defense has improved though down the stretch. They're starting to play a bit tighter in coverage and they're breaking on balls a bit quicker. A-H-S-T-W wasn't a big passing team and certainly not the best they've faced or will face, but the Gaels held them to zero yards on 1 of 8 passing and an INT. The one thing I've learned watching these different teams over the last few years, particularly with all these different spread attacks and dual threat QBs.....is that the one main difference (technically two) is the best teams have the talent to do it and they execute their offense the best.

Regina doesn't run many different plays than most spread teams. They just have better athletes AND they execute their plays better.

FDSE by 14-28

They will make it one-dimensional in the dome or not. The difference between the dome and outdoors is the fact that DNH can pass with more ease in the controlled climate.

The temp Friday is supposed to be high 30's or low 40's at game time with a chance of rain. I believe they were mid-50's and clear skies the first time.

Field position was a huge factor in the first match up and DNH couldn't stop the rushing attack. They made it 14-13 and squib kick was supposed to make it a long field for SW to drive before the half ended, but it was returned for 32 or 33 yards I believe and SW scored just before half. DNH had chances to tie late. A drive ended on SW 16 yard line. Then next drive DNH scored and the PAT was a botched snap which left the score at 28-19... SW ran the Wildcat offense against DNH which is something they didn't do on other teams. They had a good amount of success with it and that is why Rommes got the carries he did. It will be interesting to see if SW goes for the Wildcat this time around or if they have some other ideas.

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FDSE passing defense... I haven't seen them play in person, but the passing teams that they have faced they have had minimal success against the passing attack.

Woodward Academy is no a good team at all going 1-8. FDSE is the only team that didn't pick the QB off and they gave up 2TD's through the air. Woodward also scored 24 points which was 2nd to only the 28 they scored in the only win they had.
Ogden had 2INT
South Hamilton 3INT
Panora had 4INT

South Central Calhoun is a solid passing team. They went 22-31 248 3TD 1INT against FDSE.

Ogden is a solid passing team and rushing team. 16-27 177 1TD while rushing for about 150yd on 25 attempts. Problem for them was in ability to get off the field on defense.

No other teams that FDSE faced had decent passing attacks.

Woodward Granger passed the ball 3 times in a 12-8 win over Des Moines Christian for 6 yards... Against FDSE they were 6-11 93yd 1TD...

The fact that most teams have passed more on FDSE than run and have decent to good success with it tells me they have an issue in the secondary.

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Better athletes is the difference between having second round/quarterfinal potential and semifinal/championship potential. Having a multidimensional offense and good coaching can be the difference in winning and championship and losing a championship. If talent levels were equal for the remaining teams. My money is on DNH or Regina to win because the offensive diversity they have and the ability to defend multidimensional teams.

 

[CP84]

You cite Ogden's passing stats as some type of evidence showing that SE gives up a lot through the air but they also held Ogden to their 2nd lowest point total of the season with 18. Ogden also got 74 yards passing on 1 play in the 4th Qtr after SE was up big with many starters out.

You cite Woodward Academy's totals but do you realize all their points came in the second half when SE pulled starters and was up by 6 TDs?

Stats don't mean much when you don't put them in context.

The reason teams are passing more frequently against them is because they are playing from behind every game and SE is beating them up front. The bottom line is SE has the #2 ranked defense for points allowed in 1A.

This post was edited on 11/5 2:55 PM by CP84

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by maxstabs13:

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FDSE passing defense... I haven't seen them play in person, (red flag..........?)





Woodward Academy is not a good team at all going 1-8. FDSE is the only team that didn't pick the QB off and they gave up 2TD's through the air. Woodward also scored 24 points which was 2nd to only the 28 they scored in the only win they had. (So do you want me to explain, or would it matter?......)


Ogden had 2INT
South Hamilton 3INT
Panora had 4INT
St. Edmond had 2INT................(Woodward Academy didn't enter that they had any INTs on Quikstats. Where's ghost80 when you need him?)

South Central Calhoun is a solid passing team. They went 22-31 248 3TD 1INT against FDSE.
(So do you want me to...ahh never mind.)

Ogden is a solid passing team and rushing team. 16-27 177 1TD while rushing for about 150yd on 25 attempts. (Most of which came in the 4th qtr.) Problem for them was inability to get off the field on defense.
(All part of the plan. Can't score if you don't have the ball, can you....)

No other teams that FDSE faced had decent passing attacks.

Woodward Granger passed the ball 3 times in a 12-8 win over Des Moines Christian for 6 yards... Against FDSE they were 6-11 93yd 1TD...(Most of which...I mean this is going to be a common theme, so I guess you could've saved yourself some time by....asking.)

The fact that most teams have passed more on FDSE than run and have decent to good success with it tells me they have an issue in the secondary. (Care to re-evaluate, now?)

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Better athletes is the difference between having second round/quarterfinal potential and semifinal/championship potential. Having a multidimensional offense and good coaching can be the difference in winning and championship and losing a championship. ("can", you say?) If talent levels were equal for the remaining teams. My money is on DNH or Regina to win because the offensive diversity they have and the ability to defend multidimensional teams. (Except we see that you can beat D-NH if you make them one-dimensional...which there are at least a few defenses remaining that can. Just something to think about.)

 

[Bringin the Heat]

I would argue that St Eds has the best secondary in the Western side of the state. You can argue stats all you want, but seeing them in person is another story. Good speed, excellent tacklers, great ball skills & ability to judge the ball in the air. They sit back in a simple cover 3, but their starters play it extremely well. Their front 7 shut down the run with size and aggressive attack style defense and then force the pass if the opponent wants to move the football. All of their LBs and DBs can run well to get to pass drops. There will be holes in a cover 3, but as you get towards the endzone, they close quickly.

 

[hawks127]

Originally posted by maxstabs13:

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by maxstabs13:


Could South Winn's D make the Wolverines one-dimensional in the Dome as well? How was the weather when these two teams first met at Dike? D-NH rushed for 88 yds on 25 carries and no scores in their first meeting.
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SE's defense tends to allow teams enough separation to move the ball between the 20s, particularly in the passing game. Their pass defense has improved though down the stretch. They're starting to play a bit tighter in coverage and they're breaking on balls a bit quicker. A-H-S-T-W wasn't a big passing team and certainly not the best they've faced or will face, but the Gaels held them to zero yards on 1 of 8 passing and an INT. The one thing I've learned watching these different teams over the last few years, particularly with all these different spread attacks and dual threat QBs.....is that the one main difference (technically two) is the best teams have the talent to do it and they execute their offense the best.

Regina doesn't run many different plays than most spread teams. They just have better athletes AND they execute their plays better.

FDSE by 14-28

They will make it one-dimensional in the dome or not. The difference between the dome and outdoors is the fact that DNH can pass with more ease in the controlled climate.

The temp Friday is supposed to be high 30's or low 40's at game time with a chance of rain. I believe they were mid-50's and clear skies the first time.

Field position was a huge factor in the first match up and DNH couldn't stop the rushing attack. They made it 14-13 and squib kick was supposed to make it a long field for SW to drive before the half ended, but it was returned for 32 or 33 yards I believe and SW scored just before half. DNH had chances to tie late. A drive ended on SW 16 yard line. Then next drive DNH scored and the PAT was a botched snap which left the score at 28-19... SW ran the Wildcat offense against DNH which is something they didn't do on other teams. They had a good amount of success with it and that is why Rommes got the carries he did. It will be interesting to see if SW goes for the Wildcat this time around or if they have some other ideas.

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FDSE passing defense... I haven't seen them play in person, but the passing teams that they have faced they have had minimal success against the passing attack.

Woodward Academy is no a good team at all going 1-8. FDSE is the only team that didn't pick the QB off and they gave up 2TD's through the air. Woodward also scored 24 points which was 2nd to only the 28 they scored in the only win they had.
Ogden had 2INT
South Hamilton 3INT
Panora had 4INT

South Central Calhoun is a solid passing team. They went 22-31 248 3TD 1INT against FDSE.

Ogden is a solid passing team and rushing team. 16-27 177 1TD while rushing for about 150yd on 25 attempts. Problem for them was in ability to get off the field on defense.

No other teams that FDSE faced had decent passing attacks.

Woodward Granger passed the ball 3 times in a 12-8 win over Des Moines Christian for 6 yards... Against FDSE they were 6-11 93yd 1TD...

The fact that most teams have passed more on FDSE than run and have decent to good success with it tells me they have an issue in the secondary.

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Better athletes is the difference between having second round/quarterfinal potential and semifinal/championship potential. Having a multidimensional offense and good coaching can be the difference in winning and championship and losing a championship. If talent levels were equal for the remaining teams. My money is on DNH or Regina to win because the offensive diversity they have and the ability to defend multidimensional teams.

If you have never seen the team play in person I wouldnt be so quick to just look at stats and make assumptions. Look at the scores, usually pretty lopsided - maybe they are getting a lot of the stats in the 4th Q when game is out of reach. Need to research before blabbing.

 

[Pinehawk]

Originally posted by Bringin the Heat:
I would argue that St Eds has the best secondary in the Western side of the state. You can argue stats all you want, but seeing them in person is another story. Good speed, excellent tacklers, great ball skills & ability to judge the ball in the air. They sit back in a simple cover 3, but their starters play it extremely well. Their front 7 shut down the run with size and aggressive attack style defense and then force the pass if the opponent wants to move the football. All of their LBs and DBs can run well to get to pass drops. There will be holes in a cover 3, but as you get towards the endzone, they close quickly.

Has St. Ed's really played a team that can pass well yet though? Ogden or SC Calhoun might be the closest and it looks like both had some pretty good success through the air.

 

[L N D]

Bringin the Heat - You are right on about SE. They do sit back in a simple pass defense with 2 corners and a free safety. They do have a strong safety who will move out if they have more than 1 WR to one side. But he mostly plays like an outside linebacker. The other nice thing they do is adjust. Once a team does start moving the ball they seem to take it away from them.

Quick Stats: Without the Avoca game as they do not have there stats up.

SE Opponents Passing - 88 - 164 for 942 yards - Only 7 TD's (3 of those were South Central Calhoun). With 13 INT's.

Only 1 team threw for over 200 yards. - South Central Calhoun (Lost 38-22) 22 - 31 248 yards.3TD's and 1 Int.

Only 3 others threw for over 100 yards. - Newman 114 yds. (Lost 75-0), Woodward 135 yds. (lost 56-24), Ogden 177yds.(Lost 42-18).

Looks like SCC did some nice things in the pass game. But their run game was a non factor- 26 carries - Net 43 yards. And the QB led the rushing with 14 carries for 30 yards. They will definitely have to do more in this part of the game.

On the other side SE racked up 434 yards on 59 carries. That will wear a team down. Especially in 1A when kids are going both ways. So it could effect the offensive side of the ball as well.

I think it will be a good game and closer than some think.

 

[DeeBee283]

SSC needs to abandon the double tight stuff. They will have much more success with their QB in the spread. FDSE won't do anything different and I think SSC has improved their spread attack.

 

[DeeBee283]

SCC...my bad.

 

[CP84]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:

Originally posted by Bringin the Heat:
I would argue that St Eds has the best secondary in the Western side of the state. You can argue stats all you want, but seeing them in person is another story. Good speed, excellent tacklers, great ball skills & ability to judge the ball in the air. They sit back in a simple cover 3, but their starters play it extremely well. Their front 7 shut down the run with size and aggressive attack style defense and then force the pass if the opponent wants to move the football. All of their LBs and DBs can run well to get to pass drops. There will be holes in a cover 3, but as you get towards the endzone, they close quickly.

Has St. Ed's really played a team that can pass well yet though? Ogden or SC Calhoun might be the closest and it looks like both had some pretty good success through the air.

Ogden had good success throwing after they were blown out and SE put several backup players in. Ogden had a 73 yard TD pass with 6 minutes left in the game and a few other completions under the 5 minute mark when the game was well past decided. Ogden didn't do much the first half.

SCC threw for some yards against them but a good portion of those yards came on a couple busted plays by SE as DT mentioned. SE hasn't been tested by a passing team as good as Regina but they've done a decent job all season shutting it down.

 

[Liberty Hawk]

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This post was edited on 11/6 11:02 AM by Liberty Hawk

 

[hawks127]

Originally posted by CP84:

Originally posted by Pinehawk:

Originally posted by Bringin the Heat:
I would argue that St Eds has the best secondary in the Western side of the state. You can argue stats all you want, but seeing them in person is another story. Good speed, excellent tacklers, great ball skills & ability to judge the ball in the air. They sit back in a simple cover 3, but their starters play it extremely well. Their front 7 shut down the run with size and aggressive attack style defense and then force the pass if the opponent wants to move the football. All of their LBs and DBs can run well to get to pass drops. There will be holes in a cover 3, but as you get towards the endzone, they close quickly.

Has St. Ed's really played a team that can pass well yet though? Ogden or SC Calhoun might be the closest and it looks like both had some pretty good success through the air.

Ogden had good success throwing after they were blown out and SE put several backup players in. Ogden had a 73 yard TD pass with 6 minutes left in the game and a few other completions under the 5 minute mark when the game was well past decided. Ogden didn't do much the first half.

SCC threw for some yards against them but a good portion of those yards came on a couple busted plays by SE as DT mentioned. SE hasn't been tested by a passing team as good as Regina but they've done a decent job all season shutting it down.

This. All you dumb dumbs do it look at quik stats and think you know how the game went.

 

[Pinehawk]

Well, to be fair, that is also what the computer rankings and coaches voting do as well.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Bringin the Heat:
I would argue that St Eds has the best secondary in the Western side of the state. You can argue stats all you want, but seeing them in person is another story. Good speed, excellent tacklers, great ball skills & ability to judge the ball in the air. They sit back in a simple cover 3, but their starters play it extremely well. Their front 7 shut down the run with size and aggressive attack style defense and then force the pass if the opponent wants to move the football. All of their LBs and DBs can run well to get to pass drops. There will be holes in a cover 3, but as you get towards the endzone, they close quickly.

Nice.

Now if you can just provide a scouting report for Regina.

........or maybe convince Pine or BlameIt to.

 

[CP84]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Well, to be fair, that is also what the computer rankings and coaches voting do as well.

True , but you should know better than most. Most of the points and yards Regina gives up come in the second half when starters are benched. The same has been true in most of the SE games with exception of the SCC game. SCC threw the ball a bunch because they couldn't do anything running. Being in Iowa City I'm sure you saw some of those past good Hawkeye teams that had similar stats. That Orange Bowl team in 2002 had a pass defense rated lower than 70th in the country despite having guys like Bob Sanders and Derek Pagel back there. They also had a top 20 defense overall and the best run defense in the Big Ten. Opponents threw the ball on the because they couldn't run and Iowa played a zone and allowed some underneath stuff and forced opponents to make long sustained drives to score. SE tries to play a similar style. Really elite QBs like Cook might be able to take advantage of that but most normal 1A schools will struggle.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Has St. Ed's really played a team that can pass well yet though? Yeah, Iowa City Regina last year........and they learned from that game.

But really though, let's discuss this. How many "good" passing teams are there in 1A outside of the team you root for, Pine?

West Branch- 64.8%, 1,689 yds 16 TDs 4 INTs

North Cedar- 58.2% 2,736 yds 35 TDs 9 INTs

South Central Calhoun- 56.5% 1,842 yds 18 TDs 11 INTs

Bellevue- 56.2% 1,868 yds 21 TDs 9 INTs

Ogden- 56% 2,074 yds 17 TDs 12 INTs

Western Christian- 54.4% 1,848 yds 18 TDs 15 INTs

South Winneshiek- 54.2% 1,352 yds 17 TDs 9 INTs

Pella Christian- 51.7% 2,179 yds 17 TDs 13 INTs

(other remaining Quarterfinalists):
IKM-Manning- 54.5% 1,135 yds 14 TDs 2 INTs

Dike-New Hartford- 52% 998 yds 10 TDs 7 INTs

Central Decatur- 49.5% 1,729 yds 17 TDs 11 INTs

West Lyon- 44.8% 449 yds 5 TDs 2 INTs


I'm sure there are a few others I could give credit to, but this was just a quick list of teams with some of the highest completion percentage coupled with good numbers in passing yds, TDs etc.

Fwiw, Woodward-Granger is 4th in 1A in completion percentage, though the rest of their numbers are pedestrian. Madrid is 1st in yards per completion, but they are the only team to throw the ball less than St. Edmond has needed to. Ogden is 2nd and South Central Calhoun is 6th in total completions. Ogden is 3rd and SCC is 7th in total passing yards. SCC is tied for 4th (18) and Ogden is tied for 8th (17) is passing TDs. And if we're going by QBR, then St. Edmond hasn't played anyone better........because they're #1!!!

Basically, I guess it depends on YOUR definition of who is a "good" passing offense.
If, in your humble opinion, it is only the teams on the Eastern half who have put up decent stats that are the truly good passing offenses, then no, St. Eds hasn't faced a good passing offense this year....yet.

But going by the stats above...I suppose the answer to your question would be 'yes'.

My question would be how many teams would you place above Ogden and SCC in terms of their passing capability (and ability to actually challenge SE......besides Regina)?

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by CP84:

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Well, to be fair, that is also what the computer rankings and coaches voting do as well.

True , but you should know better than most. Most of the points and yards Regina gives up come in the second half when starters are benched. The same has been true in most of the SE games with exception of the SCC game. SCC threw the ball a bunch because they couldn't do anything running. Being in Iowa City I'm sure you saw some of those past good Hawkeye teams that had similar stats. That Orange Bowl team in 2002 had a pass defense rated lower than 70th in the country despite having guys like Bob Sanders and Derek Pagel back there. They also had a top 20 defense overall and the best run defense in the Big Ten. Opponents threw the ball on the because they couldn't run and Iowa played a zone and allowed some underneath stuff and forced opponents to make long sustained drives to score. SE tries to play a similar style. Really elite QBs like Cook might be able to take advantage of that but most normal 1A schools will struggle.

Ugh, that means Regina (a team in Iowa City no less

) would be playing the part of USC then........and I absolutely hate USC, ever since that Orange Bowl game.

Btw, Pine, I've always wondered this being an Iowa grad; how popular is Iowa among the local high school kids (Regina/CityWest). Is it the "only team in town" so to speak, or are there some kids who either are ardent Iowa State/UNI fans/transplants (moved in, etc), or are just fans of another team more than Iowa?

I assume there are, but just curious.

 

[Pinehawk]

It's the only team in town. ISU fans are ridiculed and UNI fans are pretty rare.