Projected 2nd Round matchups (if all goes to BLAMEIT plan)

[BlameIt]

IF Dike-NH wins:

2 Hinton @ 1 West Lyon
2 AHSTW/3 Ogden winner @ 1 Van Meter
2 Panorama @ 1 FDSE
2 SCC @ 1 IKM

2 Emmetsburg @ 1 St Ansgar
2 Dike-NH @ 1 Regina
2 Pella Christian @ 1 West Branch
2 North Cedar @ 1 South Winn



If Bellevue wins, as I actually picked, it will change slightly

2 NC @ 1 Regina
3 Bellevue @ 1 SWinn


what do you folks think?

 

[fbfan05]

Central Decatur beating Pella Christian would really mess these predictions up.

They are about 3 hours from eastern Iowa and would likely be sent to the Des Moines area for 2nd round.

Regina would probably get North Cedar in round 2
West Branch would likely get the winner of Dike and Bellevue

With the winner of those 2 games playing in the quarterfinals

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by BlameIt:
IF Dike-NH wins:

2 Hinton @ 1 West Lyon
2 AHSTW/3 Ogden winner @ 1 Van Meter
2 Panorama @ 1 FDSE
2 SCC @ 1 IKM

2 Emmetsburg @ 1 St Ansgar
2 Dike-NH @ 1 Regina
2 Pella Christian @ 1 West Branch
2 North Cedar @ 1 South Winn



If Bellevue wins, as I actually picked, it will change slightly

2 NC @ 1 Regina
3 Bellevue @ 1 SWinn


what do you folks think?

That's pretty much what I had, but I agree with fbfan, if a couple other teams end up winning that could definitely change things up quite a bit.

 

[RoundMound1]

Originally posted by fbfan05:

Central Decatur beating Pella Christian would really mess these predictions up.

They are about 3 hours from eastern Iowa and would likely be sent to the Des Moines area for 2nd round.

Regina would probably get North Cedar in round 2
West Branch would likely get the winner of Dike and Bellevue

With the winner of those 2 games playing in the quarterfinals

Not saying right, wrong, or otherwise, but this sort of scenario could come back to bite the Association in the butt. A Central Decatur win would guarantee a #1 vs. #1 matchup in the 2nd Round assuming the other favorites win and the Association sticks to its 125 mile (give or take 1 or 2) radius. There will be one fan base out there that wouldn't be very happy with those results.

The only other possibility I can see is for the Association to go against its parameters and have Van Meter travel to Regina (133 miles).

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by RoundMound1:

Originally posted by fbfan05:

Central Decatur beating Pella Christian would really mess these predictions up.

They are about 3 hours from eastern Iowa and would likely be sent to the Des Moines area for 2nd round.

Regina would probably get North Cedar in round 2
West Branch would likely get the winner of Dike and Bellevue

With the winner of those 2 games playing in the quarterfinals

Not saying right, wrong, or otherwise, but this sort of scenario could come back to bite the Association in the butt. A Central Decatur win would guarantee a #1 vs. #1 matchup in the 2nd Round assuming the other favorites win and the Association sticks to its 125 mile (give or take 1 or 2) radius. There will be one fan base out there that wouldn't be very happy with those results.

The only other possibility I can see is for the Association to go against its parameters and have Van Meter travel to Regina (133 miles).

no 125 limit in 2nd round and following, RM1.

so no worries.

VM (or Ogden) to Regina in rd 3 is a possibility, I agree on that.

 

[BV128]

Per association website.

2nd Round-
Highest seeded teams will have the opportunity to host
A district champion cannot play another district champion
No preset brackets will be made for the playoffs.

Pairings will be determined after all 1st round games are completed.
Reasonable attempts will be made to find non-district playoff opponents for 2nd round games, but district match ups
could reoccur if an opponent cannot be found within a reasonable distance.
The Board of Control will determine the pairings based on geographic location of all remaining schools.

 

[fbfan05]

Round 3 should be #1 vs. #1 based on geography,

It is crazy to send teams 130 miles both ways when you could play someone within 20-30 minutes. It makes no sense.

You have to play everyone if you want to be a state champion at some point anyways.

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by fbfan05:
Round 3 should be #1 vs. #1 based on geography,

It is crazy to send teams 130 miles both ways when you could play someone within 20-30 minutes. It makes no sense.

You have to play everyone if you want to be a state champion at some point anyways.

i disagree.

If you want the best games at the Dome, then Regina @ WB is not a quarterfinal game I'd want to see.

2 of the top 3 teams in 1A should be at the UNIDome.

(of course, I am not getting too far ahead of myself. SK will be a good team on Wednesday)

Dowling and Valley have played each other in the semis just last year.

And their schools are less than 3 miles apart

This post was edited on 10/27 6:50 PM by BlameIt

 

[fbfan05]

I think if you look at the rankings you would have 2 of the best 3 teams in 1A in the semifinals:

#2South Winn vs. the #4West Branch/#1Regina winner (northeast best against southeast best)

Does that not make sense?

I think either West Branch/Regina against South Winn would be a great game

Winner taking on the best from western Iowa.


Take a look at the postseason manual for quarterfinal games and it basically says that remaining teams will be matched up based on geographic location
This post was edited on 10/27 8:51 PM by fbfan05

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by BlameIt:

Originally posted by fbfan05:
Round 3 should be #1 vs. #1 based on geography,

It is crazy to send teams 130 miles both ways when you could play someone within 20-30 minutes. It makes no sense.

You have to play everyone if you want to be a state champion at some point anyways.

For teams like West Lyon, that's kind of an issue since they're so far away from everyone else and there's so few 1A NW Iowa teams.

i disagree.

If you want the best games at the Dome, then Regina @ WB is not a quarterfinal game I'd want to see.

2 of the top 3 teams in 1A should be at the UNIDome.

(of course, I am not getting too far ahead of myself. SK will be a good team on Wednesday)

Dowling and Valley have played each other in the semis just last year.

And their schools are less than 3 miles apart

This post was edited on 10/27 6:50 PM by BlameIt

Well, for argument's sake, let's say the 1s all win in your projected 2nd round matchups.

That's West Lyon, Van Meter, St. Edmond and IKM-Manning in the West, and Regina, West Branch, South Winn, and Saint Ansgar in the East.

Unless a team from the west plays a team from the east (like Van Meter-Regina, or Saint Ansgar-St. Edmond), then Regina is going to play one of West Branch or South Winn....or from your perspective, you are going to play one of South Winn or Regina.

I'm guessing you probably want to play South Winn in the Qtrs, so that you wouldn't face Regina until the semies or even the finals depending on how they do things this year.

That doesn't change the fact that the championship goes through Regina, the only difference will be the kind of trophy you collect after the game............

 

[BlameIt]

I know, DT61.

ICR already has the trophy in their case at the HS.

The rest of us are just positioning

 

[tigercrzy]

^^^ You can thank the IAHSAA for their lack of competence to address the Regina problem. To bad for the rest of the 1A players that they know they are all playing for second place as a result.

Good news for Regina is they have no worries about their domination staying in place for years to come and it has nothing to do with the quality of program they have. It's 100% the reality that the IAHSAA will not take the action to put them in thier appropriate class of competition.

This post was edited on 10/28 9:03 AM by tigercrzy

 

[Lightning9899]

Only the teams in the west are competing for second place. Most of the eastern teams are just playing for a trophy that says they were in the semifinals.

 

[tigercrzy]

Apparently the IAHSAA are not the only ones struggling with a competence issue. ^^^^

 

[printit]

West Branch vs. Regina in the Quarters makes all the sense in the world. Both top teams, 10 miles apart, huge gate, the prize is a trip to the Dome!!! Hope that it happens!

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by printit:
West Branch vs. Regina in the Quarters makes all the sense in the world. Both top teams, 10 miles apart, huge gate, the prize is a trip to the Dome!!! Hope that it happens!

does that mean you think Valley vs Dowling in the semis of 4A in 2013 makes sense, too?

 

[printit]

In Des Moines area, you have a number of top teams (Dowling, Valley, Waukee, Ankeny, Johnston, and Lewis Central (from West side)). Unfortunately only 2 will make it to the Dome. I would say the top 4 teams in the class are possibly listed above but only 2 will make it cause of location. With that being said, if you are good enough then you are good enough. The end goal is to win a championship. Play them!

 

[cidhawkeye]

Did their BEDS number change when we weren't looking?

Also the matchup in the quarters will depend on how the state seeded them. If the seeds follow the rankings it's 1-4 in the qtrs to go to the dome.
This post was edited on 10/28 10:44 AM by cidhawkeye

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
Did their BEDS number change when we weren't looking?

Also the matchup in the quarters will depend on how the state seeded them. If the seeds follow the rankings it's 1-4 in the qtrs to go to the dome.

This post was edited on 10/28 10:44 AM by cidhawkeye

and in no world is WB a 4 seed on either side of the state in 1A.

meaning, Regina - as the presumed 1 seed on the east - and WB would not play until the Dome.

Again, first things first, SK is the only game I'm truly worried about right now

 

[cidhawkeye]

Sandbagger

 

[bintrain45]

BlameIt, I know we have had our fights in the past and I am sorry about that. Here is my opinion and I hope this is not correct but it sounds like to me that WB is scared of playing Regina but that's just me. Know this though: To be the man, you have to beat the man. No matter how hard the obstacles may be. A match-up between WB vs ICR is the ultimate match-up to who goes to the dome. Not to mention, whom ever wins will more than likely roll in the semis and finals.

 

[CP84]

Originally posted by bintrain45:



BlameIt, I know we have had our fights in the past and I am sorry about that. Here is my opinion and I hope this is not correct but it sounds like to me that WB is scared of playing Regina but that's just me. Know this though: To be the man, you have to beat the man. No matter how hard the obstacles may be. A match-up between WB vs ICR is the ultimate match-up to who goes to the dome. Not to mention, whom ever wins will more than likely roll in the semis and finals.

Why are you so confident WB would roll over South Winn? I think Regina is likely to roll on anyone by at least a couple scores but I'm not certain WB is significantly better than SW or even FDSE and West Lyon.
This post was edited on 10/28 4:45 PM by CP84

 

[bintrain45]

You make a great point, didn't think about that but I say whoever wins could carry some heavy momentum going into the final 4.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by CP84:

Originally posted by bintrain45:



BlameIt, I know we have had our fights in the past and I am sorry about that. Here is my opinion and I hope this is not correct but it sounds like to me that WB is scared of playing Regina but that's just me. Know this though: To be the man, you have to beat the man. No matter how hard the obstacles may be. A match-up between WB vs ICR is the ultimate match-up to who goes to the dome. Not to mention, whom ever wins will more than likely roll in the semis and finals.

Why are you so confident WB would roll over South Winn? I think Regina is likely to roll on anyone by at least a couple scores but I'm not certain WB is significantly better than SW or even FDSE and West Lyon.
This post was edited on 10/28 4:45 PM by CP84

Here's the deal for West Branch. Either the State says "you're playing in the Qtrs, deal with it." or they follow through on one of two options:

- make Saint Ansgar travel 174 miles to play the Bears while #1 travels 121 miles to play #2 (alphabet rule)

or

- make #2 travel 130 miles to take on #4 while Regina travels 165 miles to play Saint Ansgar (alphabet rule)


West Branch fans would obviously want to face either of the teams from up north before Regina, especially Saint Ansgar, but would they honestly make those teams travel that far just to give West Branch fans what they want?

Essentially, because of the alphabet rule with undefeated teams who have not played, Regina is looking at a road game in the Quarterfinals and West Branch will host.

 

[Bringin the Heat]

It would be absolutely ridiculous if Regina and West Branch don't meet up in the quarterfinals. 4A has been a different situation as they were seeded 1-16 on each side because they didn't play district football like 8man through 3A has for years. This is the first year for 4A districts, so it should now look a little closer to playoffs in all other classes. Valley and Dowling very likely could match up before the Dome, but at least 2 of the 4 one seeds from the West will likely make the Dome. (Ankeny, Waukee, Dowling, & WDM Valley)

Having West Branch and Regina not play in the quarters and causing travel distances way beyond the state's first round max of 125 miles is about the biggest manipulation of the playoff bracket I can imagine. Greatly increased travel expenses and student athletes traveling 175 miles on a school night is asinine when another opponent is within 9 miles. Plus the other two schools would be reasonably close to each other. This way both schools traveling would have less distances to go. Seems like a no-brainer to me, but then again, I'm not a West Branch fan hoping to avoid Regina just so we can say we made "the dome".

 

[Cardinal2012]

4A had districts in the West half of the state last year.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by Cardinal2012:
4A had districts in the West half of the state last year.

They also had paired districts (I think, since the State got rid of their yearly archived pages). So that's just the way it worked out last year.

 

[BlameIt]

BinTrain45:

I agree, bygones.

I will wholly admit WB is not afraid of them.

I am not afraid of them.

Just like the Cobra Kai, "fear does not exist is this dojo...No Sensei!!"

By the way, all of these projections are not taking into thought that North Cedar could beat South Winn and throw a monkey wrench into everything.

Im jussayin'

This post was edited on 10/28 10:32 PM by BlameIt

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by CP84:
Why are you so confident WB would roll over South Winn? I think Regina is likely to roll on anyone by at least a couple scores but I'm not certain WB is significantly better than SW or even FDSE and West Lyon.
This post was edited on 10/28 4:45 PM by CP84

for devil's advocate sake:

how are you so sure WB is NOT significantly better than each of them?
Have you seen WB play?

Just curious

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Originally posted by BlameIt:

Originally posted by CP84:
Why are you so confident WB would roll over South Winn? I think Regina is likely to roll on anyone by at least a couple scores but I'm not certain WB is significantly better than SW or even FDSE and West Lyon.
This post was edited on 10/28 4:45 PM by CP84

for devil's advocate sake:

how are you so sure WB is NOT significantly better than each of them?
Have you seen WB play?

Just curious

My thought would be that you cannot assume either way..........just sayin.

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by DarkThunder#61:

Originally posted by BlameIt:

Originally posted by CP84:
Why are you so confident WB would roll over South Winn? I think Regina is likely to roll on anyone by at least a couple scores but I'm not certain WB is significantly better than SW or even FDSE and West Lyon.
This post was edited on 10/28 4:45 PM by CP84

for devil's advocate sake:

how are you so sure WB is NOT significantly better than each of them?
Have you seen WB play?

Just curious

My thought would be that you cannot assume either way..........just sayin.

agreed.

Savor this flavor, DT61, because it will not happen again (aka me agreeing with you)