Luke - correct the rumors.

[Two Star]

In Iowa City we have heard Marv can go to West and Drew doesn't have to sit out at all since his dad lives in the district and he is going to be a head coach.

I have heard he has to sit 90 school days and then someone else said 90 calendar days.

What is the true correct unbiased answer.

Thanks!

 

[oonfoofoo]

If he lives in the borders of the school he can go and play varsity sports with no limitations. If out of borders he has to sit out provided he meets the open enrollment deadline.

Now, if Aunt Jenny lives in the schools borders, nothing says he can't move in with her for 90 days

 

[rkhemp]

I am not Luke but it is 90 school days. And the bylaws don't cover this situation so the board would have to make a ruling IMO. What is interesting is that if school districts with multiple high schools can have their own rules about transferring schools. For example, if he played at High and transferred to West he could be eligible immediatley if the school district allowed it. I would have no problem with Drew becoming eligible immediately and I am sure Marv will contact the state and have an answer before he would decide/ if indeed he was interested.




(8) In any transfer situation not provided for elsewhere in this chapter, the Executive Board shall exercise its


administrative authority to make any eligibility ruling which it deems to be fair and reasonable. The Executive Board


shall consider the motivating factors for the student transfer. The determination shall be made in writing with the


reasons for the determination clearly delineated.


b. In ruling upon the transfer of students who have been emancipated by marriage or have reached the age of


majority, the Executive Board shall consider all circumstances with regard to the transfer to determine if it is


principally for school or athletic purposes, in which case participation shall not be approved.


c. A student who participates in the name of a member or associate member school during the summer following


eighth grade is ineligible to participate in the name of another member or associate member school in the first 90


consecutive school days of ninth grade unless a change of residence has occurred after the student began


participating in the summer.


d. A school district that has more than one high school in its district shall set its own eligibility policies regarding


intradistrict transfers.
This post was edited on 5/19 12:33 PM by rkhemp

 

[LukeFeddersen]

I could see Cook taking the job but why would the state let the transfer go through without penalty? I'd love to see what he could do at West but do others get to transfer penalty free?

 

[NEHTrojan]

We had an athlete that open enrolled to another district, participated in a couple of sports, and two years later wanted to come back to the school district in which his home is located and was told by the state that he would again have to sit for 90 school days. I do not know if this is still the case but this was about 2 or 3 years ago,

 

[tm3308]

I assume that was public to public, though, right? It might be different for a private school to a public school. If he didn't open enroll at Regina, then transferred to the school district he already lives in, it could be different.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Private to public is the same

 

[rkhemp]

I just wonder if they would allow it under exception d, from above. You can transfer between any school within a school district without state penalty. For example, someone could transfer from Cedar Rapids Washington to any of the other Cedar Rapids schools without sitting 90 days. I don't know if they have but the Cedar Rapids School District has the power to make their own policy on this. Since Regina is a private school located in the Iowa City School District, would the state grant the transfer.

To me the big issue is if Marv would want the job and gets the job. To me a student should be allowed to transfer to a school without penalty that employs a parent. That though would open another door to exploit, but I don't feel this situation should be an obstacle in pursuing jobs. I know if I got a job to coach or teach at a school outside my district I would want my kids to be able to follow me without penalty.

 

[Pinehawk]

Why would Cook want to uproot his son in his senior season and put him into a new team where there is really only a downside? Anybody would have a tough time with that transition and then Drew would have to join the Hawkeyes coming off of a potentially disappointing season and eroded fan support.
Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Vroom_C14]

How is this different than the CR Prairie kid transferring to Xavier his senior year for basketball?

 

[Hawki_dynasty]

Originally posted by rkhemp:

To me the big issue is if Marv would want the job and gets the job. To me a student should be allowed to transfer to a school without penalty that employs a parent. That though would open another door to exploit, but I don't feel this situation should be an obstacle in pursuing jobs. I know if I got a job to coach or teach at a school outside my district I would want my kids to be able to follow me without penalty.

I think the above would open the door for schools to recruit parents as coaches (even assistants) if they can get their kid to play for that HS. Especially if there is no change of address.

 

[ORSKY1]

The parent would have to get a coaching certificate and would likely have to be at the practices/games to serve as a coach. If a parent wants to circumvent the system that much to get their kid on a team, don't you think they'll do it without jumping through all of these pseudo-coaching hoops? If a coach moves to a new school in or out of the current school district, the child should be allowed to participate immediately at the new school. If you want, you could exclude assistants, outside of the Head coach at Frosh, Soph or Varsity, but seriously when did everyone get to be so whiny. He already lives in the school district. Let him play without penalty.

 

[rkhemp]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
Why would Cook want to uproot his son in his senior season and put him into a new team where there is really only a downside? Anybody would have a tough time with that transition and then Drew would have to join the Hawkeyes coming off of a potentially disappointing season and eroded fan support.
Doesn't make sense to me.

Wouldn't be the first time a family has uprooted their son/daughter before their senior season. And what eroded fan support do you speak off? The draw is if Marv Cook would like to coach one of the most prominent 4A schools in the state. Jobs like these don't open up every year. I am willing to bet Drew knows kids there and has friends that attend since he lives in the district.

Again, I would have no idea if Cook has interest in the job or how high on the list he is at West, but if it is a good fit I see no reason to prevent it from happening by not allowing Drew to transfer without penalty. The bond between a father and son is far more important than football, and that bond should not hold back a coach from pursuing coaching opportunities. It should be allowed IMO.

 

[eicregal]

Drew moving to West would be a huge get. He is already friends or played other sports with lots of West kids.

 

[Pinehawk]

Again, I think it would be a bad move. Cook would come into West with incredible pressure, one season to mesh with an entire new team and would likely struggle a bit. Then he comes to Iowa and the shine is off of him a bit.

And, what would be more enjoyable for him? A senior season at Regina where he is the big man on campus, seeing his friends everyday that he's known since elementary school, setting school records, and going for a record setting 5th straight Championship? Or, a senior season at West where he's the new kid, lost in the shuffle, trying to make new friends with a ton of pressure that he will have a hard time living up to?

This post was edited on 5/21 9:57 AM by Pinehawk

 

[rkhemp]

I am pretty positive he could handle the pressure and would not be lost in the shuffle. A kid like that doesn't get rattled.

It would help prepare him for college playing at the highest level of competition in Iowa. The competition would be bigger, faster, stronger than the 1A schools he competes against at Regina.

 

[VerbumDei]

I am pretty sure that unless he changes his residence from outside the West attendance area to inside the West attendance area, he has to sit out for 90 school days. Does not matter if his dad is an employee of the school.

Is there actually some talk that this might happen? What started this rumor?

Verbum Dei

AMDG

This post was edited on 5/21 1:52 PM by VerbumDei

 

[Pinehawk]

What started the rumor?

this thread.

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
What started the rumor?

this thread.

dude, if you don't think this was the 1st thought in most people's mind you are drunk.

its logical!

 

[clenz213]

Originally posted by Hawki_dynasty:

Originally posted by rkhemp:

To me the big issue is if Marv would want the job and gets the job. To me a student should be allowed to transfer to a school without penalty that employs a parent. That though would open another door to exploit, but I don't feel this situation should be an obstacle in pursuing jobs. I know if I got a job to coach or teach at a school outside my district I would want my kids to be able to follow me without penalty.

I think the above would open the door for schools to recruit parents as coaches (even assistants) if they can get their kid to play for that HS. Especially if there is no change of address.

See this a lot in college basketball....a lot...in various forms

 

[oonfoofoo]

Dude is Verbum Dei of Eagles Verbum Dei or something else?

Family went to high school there.

 

[usfhawk]

I have a hard time believing this will come to fruition. Marv has a very good thing going at Regina, but this would be quite the step up. ICW would be wise to at least make a call to Marv.

If this did happen I would object to any penalty given to the kid. If the family lives in the school district and Marv is employed by the school there should be no penalty. Let him play.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Does summer school count towards those 90 days?

 

[Ford26]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:


"Then he comes to Iowa and the shine is off of him a bit."

What "shine" may become a kid from HS success will quickly be knocked out of him the first day of practice in college.

I don't disagree with other ideas you're sharing, but this concept is irrelevant. It is not an argument for or against transferring, but If Drew's only sense of self-worth and ability is solely rooted at/within his conquests at Regina, he won't offer much at the next level anyway.

 

[Pinehawk]

If Cook goes to West and struggles you don't think Ferentz and Cook will take some tough criticism for Iowa making that offer Junior year?
Especially when another high profile QB recruit backed away after the offer?

I just think transferring would be a high risk, low reward proposition for him.

 

[PNation]

Pinehawk you're a Regal fan?

While I agree it's a big step up in competition, I don't see it being the huge risk you see it. If Drew is truly a D1 athlete he shouldn't have any issue playing 4A ball. I think he would be fine, and it would just prepare him for college ball.

 

[LukeFeddersen]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
If Cook goes to West and struggles you don't think Ferentz and Cook will take some tough criticism for Iowa making that offer Junior year?
Especially when another high profile QB recruit backed away after the offer?

I just think transferring would be a high risk, low reward proposition for him.

He may start at QB but I'd be shocked if he doesn't move quickly to TE. They have told other recruits that they expect him at TE. So even if he would go to West, get to play, and do terrible (which I don't think he would), the Hawks want him for his size/athleticism more than anything.

 

[Pinehawk]

I agree he probably ends up at TE. But, he wants to play QB. And, he seems to have the work ethic, physical skills and desire to give it a good run.
It will be fun to see how it all plays out.

 

[BlameIt]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
If Cook goes to West and struggles you don't think Ferentz and Cook will take some tough criticism for Iowa making that offer Junior year?
Especially when another high profile QB recruit backed away after the offer?

I just think transferring would be a high risk, low reward proposition for him.

Of course it would be a higher risk.

Going from 1A football to 4A football is a huge jump.

But if he is as good as Iowa thinks he is, Drew would have little problem making the jump.

Glad we have rumors floating around to liven up the Off Season board. It's a freaking ghost town cricket chirper otherwise.

 

[rkhemp]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
I agree he probably ends up at TE. But, he wants to play QB. And, he seems to have the work ethic, physical skills and desire to give it a good run.
It will be fun to see how it all plays out.

If he has the work ethic, physical skills and desire to play QB at Iowa, I am sure he has the work ethic, physical skills and desire to play at West. If he is to play QB at Iowa, going up against 4A defenses vs 1A defenses would only help prepare him. Play is faster, windows are smaller, schemes are more sound, etc.

When Rudock committed to Iowa I knew AJ Derby would never get a meaningful snap at QB for the Hawks. I feel the same for Drew. I believe they will transform him into an All-American player, put some meat on those bones just like they did with Gallery.

 

[Pinehawk]

Update...so West hires their defensive coordinator to be the next head coach.
No sign that Marv Cook even applied for the West High job. Solon's Kevin Miller did though.
Probably quite a few people on the board who are disappointed that Marv didn't move along...
His legend can continue to grow at Regina where they are happy to have him.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

He applied, had an interview set, got wind they were after Miller from Solon and cancelled his interview. Miller turned it down and they hired Hartwig, which was the smart hire anyway. He knows what it takes to win at ICW. The ICW job is a different animal than Solon or Regina
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[cidhawkeye]

So your contention is that Hartwig is a better hire than Miller or Cook?

 

[meandmyshadow]

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
So your contention is that Hartwig is a better hire than Miller or Cook?

Interested to hear the answer...

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Originally posted by cidhawkeye:
So your contention is that Hartwig is a better hire than Miller or Cook?

For that job, I think he is. The kids love him, hes smart, hes energetic and hes been there for 6 years helping rebuild that program which was a bigger disaster then people realize from the outside looking in. He will do a good job

 

[Pinehawk]

Originally posted by EpenesaEpenesa:
He applied, had an interview set, got wind they were after Miller from Solon and cancelled his interview. Miller turned it down and they hired Hartwig, which was the smart hire anyway. He knows what it takes to win at ICW. The ICW job is a different animal than Solon or Regina
Posted from Rivals Mobile

IF true, it sounds like West made a mess of the process. How does it get out that they want Miller before Cook even interviews...to the point that Cook cancels on them. And, then they offer and don't even get Miller? And, eventually just settle for an internal candidate...
Sounds like they had to settle for Plan C.

 

[Pinehawk]

This article says they'll re-evaluate the hire at the end of the season. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.


West Principal Jerry Arganbright said Friday that Hartwig was hired for the 2014 season and would be evaluated after the season.
Arganbright also confirmed that Solon coach Kevin Miller applied for the position, calling him an aggressive candidate. Arganbright didn't say whether Miller was offered the job. But Arganbright said he felt that Miller wanted to stay at Solon after speaking with him.

http://www.press-citizen.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2014/06/08/hartwig-eager-gets-started-west/10184795/

Another quote from the Gazette:

West Athletics Director Scott Kibby said in a statement: "Coach Hartwig has the admiration and respect of our student athletes, and he has our confidence to provide the leadership our program requires.
"Given that this head coaching position opened so late in the school year, we determined that Garrett offered our program with the continuity essential for our players and team as a whole to be successful for the fall season."
http://thegazette.com/subject/sports/west-turns-to-hartwig-20140606

 

[Hawki_dynasty]

Originally posted by Pinehawk:
This article says they'll re-evaluate the hire at the end of the season. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.


West Principal Jerry Arganbright said Friday that Hartwig was hired for the 2014 season and would be evaluated after the season.
Arganbright also confirmed that Solon coach Kevin Miller applied for the position, calling him an aggressive candidate. Arganbright didn't say whether Miller was offered the job. But Arganbright said he felt that Miller wanted to stay at Solon after speaking with him.

http://www.press-citizen.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2014/06/08/hartwig-eager-gets-started-west/10184795/

Another quote from the Gazette:

West Athletics Director Scott Kibby said in a statement: "Coach Hartwig has the admiration and respect of our student athletes, and he has our confidence to provide the leadership our program requires.
"Given that this head coaching position opened so late in the school year, we determined that Garrett offered our program with the continuity essential for our players and team as a whole to be successful for the fall season."
http://thegazette.com/subject/sports/west-turns-to-hartwig-20140606

Unfortunately for Hartwig I think this sets up for Marv coming over to west next year. My understanding is both his younger two kids are already there or will be playing there. I firmly believe Marv was not coming this year because Drew could not transfer. Sounds like the Prairie coach who interviewed for the position backed out as well. Makes you wonder. I really hope Hartwig has an outstanding season. They have quite a bot of talent back and with the continuity of the coaching staff, scheme, playbook, etc I think they'll be solid.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Miller 42 game winning streak, Cook 56 game winning streak. Hartwig may be a great choice, heck Cook wasn't the overwhelming favorite for the job at Regina but to say for that program, not just this upcoming year but for the program that the other two don't appear to be better candidates is a stretch. And if like you say the program has a few more problems than most would believe than why would you want to hire someone who was part of those issues?