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IowaPreps.com Football Rankings - September 28th

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1.) Fremont-Mills 5-0 (Previous: #1)
2.) Exira-EHK
5-0 (Previous: #2)
3.) Glidden-Ralston
5-0 (Previous: #3)
4.) Turkey Valley 5-0 (Previous: #4)
5.) HLV 5-0 (Previous: #5)

6.) Don Bosco 5-0 (Previous: #6)
7.) Coon
Rapids-Bayard 5-0 (Previous: #7)
8.) Central Elkader 5-0 (Previous: #8)
9.) Lamoni 4-0 (Previous: #10)

10.) Sidney 4-1 (Previous: #9)

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This post was edited on 9/28 7:07 AM by LukeFeddersen
 
Keep hating Coon Rapids. Because they are a top tier team and they keep getting no respect. This team is big. They are physical. This team should be ranked #4 IMO. They have quality wins against a stout MMC and Guthrie Center. MMC is another team for me who probably is getting disrespected. This team should be ranked. Should be anywhere from 7-10. Yes they have one loss to CRB, but has also beat a quality GTRA team as of late have had big wins.
 
Originally posted by TigerBlood65:
Keep hating Coon Rapids. Because they are a top tier team and they keep getting no respect. This team is big. They are physical. This team should be ranked #4 IMO. They have quality wins against a stout MMC and Guthrie Center. MMC is another team for me who probably is getting disrespected. This team should be ranked. Should be anywhere from 7-10. Yes they have one loss to CRB, but has also beat a quality GTRA team as of late have had big wins.
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Who's "hating" and how?
 
IMO top 2 I have no problem with. Coon and Don Bosco are very very underrated as well as Glidden Ralston and Sidney are very overrated. I don't feel Sidney should see the top 10 after getting thumped pretty good by Fremont Mills in week 3 then having to make a last second field goal against a not so good CAM team this Friday night. Lamoni I'm not real sold on either just for the fact they play in a very weak district. I would much rather see a 1 loss MMC, GTRA or West Bend be in in front of them. Here is how I would have my top 10 this week if it were me picking and choosing.

1.) Fremont Mills
2.) Don Bosco
3.) Exira-EHK
4.) Coon Rapids-Bayard
5.) Turkey Valley
6.) Central Elkader
7.) HLV
8.) Glidden Ralston
9.) MMC
10.) GTRA

Close to getting in: West Bend Mallard, Janesville, Lamoni, Harris Lake Park

There are a pile of monster games this week that will go a long ways in helping sort out the contenders from the pretenders as well. Will post those tomorrow on my weekly rundown of predictions and highlighted games.
 
People are disrespecting CRB by how they are ranking them. This team beat a top 5 team at the time in MMC and a top 10 team at the time in Guthrie Center. Both of theose wins were on the road AND were double digit victories. And yet they are still in the bottom half of the top 10. Is it that hard to take a good look at this team and see that they are a top 5 team?
 
Nobody is disrespecting them. Rankings now still have basis from tradition/ last year. Now, if Coon beats Glidden in two weeks then of course they will be in the top 4. They never beat glidden, though, and if they do people will know they are for real. Now if they don't, what difference does it make that they were rated top 4 before or after that game?
 
With the regular season being half way done with, the rankings should not be biased based on last season. We have enough stats to base it off this season. That's just BS. I am in no way affiliated with CRB but at this point in the season they should be ranked top 5. The Glidden-CRB game will be one hell of a game. Can't wait for that one. In My opinion both are top 5 teams but I just think CRB is better than how they are ranked. Even if they lose to glidden , the way they have performed up to this point in the season they deserve to be ranked how they play and IMO that's a top 5 ranking
 
Your right but its still the logic behind it. If your gonna have rankings you might as well get them right, don't you say? Yes I realize ranking mean absolutely nothing in the main scheme of things but if your gonna have them, your going to arguments such as this. I just don't get why the only reason people are not ranking CRB higher is because they have never beat Glidden. This isn't last year. Or the year before. Or the year before that. This is 2014 and the rankings should be based on this year not any of years past. I just dont agree with some of your guys logic behind it. Nothing against anyone.

This post was edited on 9/28 11:13 PM by TigerBlood65
 
..."If your gonna have rankings you might as well get them right, don't you say?" So... your post spouts off about "logic"...Don't you think, perhaps, that the person who created these rankings did it from their logical perspective? Sheesh dude!!! Don't get your panties in a bunch!

Oh...and "your" is possessive! What you were actually meaning to type was "you're", it is a contraction of "you" and "are"....if you want us to buy into the fact that you are using logic and intelligent processes to arrive at your conclusion, perhaps it would sway more people to your way of thinking, if you did it as a literate person.... ;-)





This post was edited on 9/29 10:31 AM by Scobelicious
 
Tiger,

You said in your most recent post that "Yes I realize rankings mean absolutely nothing in the main scheme of things"

Well, no you don't realize this because you said before that, "People are disrespecting CRB by how they are ranking them."

So which way is it? Do rankings mean that the ranker is disrespecting someone or do they have no meaning at all?
 
It is hard to tell which undefeated teams are best when everyone is winning by 30+ points...
 
Yes I said rankings don't mean anything. They don't mean anything as far as they playoffs or the postseason. They don't go towards crowning a champion. But if your going to have them, your gonna have disagreements such as these. And how is it logical to base this years standings off the past seasons?
 
Originally posted by TigerBlood65:
Yes I said rankings don't mean anything. They don't mean anything as far as they playoffs or the postseason. They don't go towards crowning a champion. But if your going to have them, your gonna have disagreements such as these. And how is it logical to base this years standings off the past seasons?
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Returning players, coaching staff, tradition, etc. How is it not logical to use past season, especially early on?
 
Basing it off "tradition" is fine for the first two or three weeks into the season. But guys we are going into week 6. The season is half over. Were not in the early part of the season.
 
Originally posted by TigerBlood65:
Basing it off "tradition" is fine for the first two or three weeks into the season. But guys we are going into week 6. The season is half over. Were not in the early part of the season.
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You're missing the point. Either the rankings are meaningless, anyway (like you already said), or they do matter and CRB is getting hosed here. You can't cast off the rankings as meaningless and then throw a fit over someone not being ranked where you think they should be.
 
The rankings are meaningless obviously because they don't win games. Each team goes out every Friday and will win or lose regardless of their rank. Ranks means nothing physcially. But that doesn't mean teams shouldn't be ranked differently. Coon Rapids does deserve to be ranked higher. He's saying the rankings mean nothing when it comes to actually winning the game, but they are not meaningless to take about and plus a team has pride on what their ranked and so a team deserves to be ranked what they really are!! Stop giving the guy such a hard time, he's just stating his opinion.
 
Still who are you going to drop? Don Bosco and Exira both started out highly ranked because of what they've achieved over the last couple years, and they've done nothing to lose those lofty rankings. That's always been the biggest flaw with rankings at every level. If you want to jump someone like Don Bosco, you've got to do something incredible or hope Don Bosco loses a game. That's just how it goes.
 
They mean absolutely nothing during the regular season. Sure they are nice to have but as far as how games play out they really mean nothing as far as that. However this year with the new playoff format that the state is going to its hard saying if those will come in to play as far as matching up teams in the 2nd Round and Quarterfinals since those games really aren't certain how pairings will go from that point on. If the state picks the pairings for those rounds they may look at rankings to get a better idea of who they feel would be the best matchups/teams in Cedar Falls in late November since its all a money deal for them anymore.
 
I've heard about the new playoff thing but I don't have a great understanding of it. Could someone explain it in detail? How it's going to work, what's different from before, etc.?
 
The new system eliminates the sister districts that were in place before (1 vs 2, 3 vs 4, 5 vs 6, 7 vs 8). I know first round games will still match up 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 seeds but those teams will be within something like 120 miles of each other so technically teams from the same district can be matched up in round 1 if the closest paired team is out of that range of mileage. Round 2 and on is, from what I understand, all handpicked and teams wont know who they are to play till after the completion of the round before.

As far as rankings I dont know if they even would use them to pick teams. I would like to think going in to the quarter final round the state would have a good idea of who they want or would like to see in the dome and will match teams up accordingly to better assure that those teams make it there and if they aren't sold on who they want as the final two they may or may not look at rankings to help better determine who they want. If I had to guess I would probably say they would look at the Des Moines Register's rankings but who knows.
 
So would it be possible to have two teams from the west in the championship? Or two teams from the east? Or would they try to have one from the west and one from the east still?
 
I dont know. If you go on the states website and look at the playoff manual it says in there how its figured but all its says is they will be chosen based off of geographical location but it wouldn't surprise me if they re-seeded teams so they got what they felt would be the best two teams up there in the final game regardless of location.
 
Nobody really knows how it's going to work. The state is basically just winging this, and I think it's going to end up being a nightmare for them. I won't be shocked at all if we're back to the usual way of doing the playoffs starting next season.
 
I agree. I think the state is trying to find a way around the set playoff schedule like they have had for so long but I'm not sure there is a perfect science to it which would allow them to do that other than rate teams 1-32 ahead of time and deal with the travel issues but I could already imagine the moan and groan that would get if they went that route.
 
The only way I could see this sort of thing working would require a couple changes. First of all, they would have to go to playing every round of the playoffs on Fridays. It's bad enough that teams have to make the quick turnaround doing it the way they've been doing it the past few years. But to now have to deal with the same short week and spend at least the first couple of those days not knowing who you're preparing for? That's not fair to the teams at all. And I also think it would be easier to split the state into east/west and seed each side, rather than seeding the entire state as one group. Because otherwise, there's no way they don't end up totally screwing with the seedings/matchups. You're not going to make the 32nd seed, who plays on the far west side of the state, travel to Don Bosco for the first round. So make that team the 16th seed in the west and make them travel to Fremont-Mills or Exira.

Playing every game on Friday lessens the need for the 125-mile limit, since you don't have to worry about kids having school the next day after a long bus trip. But you still wouldn't want them making crazy long trips clear across the state, either.
 
I'm sure the IHSAA put some thought into changing to the current pairing paradigm. I don't think they would just give up their cut & dried brackets for late nights of mapping pairings after all the results are in on a whim. I would hazard a guess they will have second round maps sketched out with likely winners. Then they can adjust to upsets, rather than draw up new maps on the fly.
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Originally posted by paxregis:
I'm sure the IHSAA put some thought into changing to the current pairing paradigm. I don't think they would just give up their cut & dried brackets for late nights of mapping pairings after all the results are in on a whim. I would hazard a guess they will have second round maps sketched out with likely winners. Then they can adjust to upsets, rather than draw up new maps on the fly.
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I think you're giving the association too much credit. These are the same people who thought playing Wed-Mon-Fri was a good idea for the first three rounds of the playoffs. And they still haven't announced how they plan on seeding everybody in the first place. Because I'm guessing they're still not entirely sure.

This post was edited on 9/30 11:10 PM by tm33_08
 
I totally agree. I really wish the state had a predetermined bracket instead of just making up the match ups after each round. I think this style will fail. Just a shame. The playoffs were as good as they were gonna get. Ya sometimes we would get a lopsided finals game because of the 2 best teams would meet in the quarters in stead of the finals because they were on the same side of the state but that's probably not gonna get fixed unless you seed everyone 1-32 and that will pry never happen. Should have just kept the old system. If its not truley broken, why fix it?
 
Originally posted by TigerBlood65:
I totally agree. I really wish the state had a predetermined bracket instead of just making up the match ups after each round. I think this style will fail. Just a shame. The playoffs were as good as they were gonna get. Ya sometimes we would get a lopsided finals game because of the 2 best teams would meet in the quarters in stead of the finals because they were on the same side of the state but that's probably not gonna get fixed unless you seed everyone 1-32 and that will pry never happen. Should have just kept the old system. If its not truley broken, why fix it?
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If they wanted to reseed the bracket for the semifinals, I think that would be okay. Just let the first three rounds shake themselves out and then go from there. If they'd done that last year, they would have had semifinal match ups that looked like this:

8-Man: Don Bosco vs. Adair-Casey, Exira vs. Newell-Fonda (this one actually turned out right)
Class A: West Lyon vs. AHST, BGM vs. WV (this one was also right)
Class 1A: Iowa City Regina vs. Van Meter, FDSE vs. NFV (this would have been one helluva game, IMO)
Class 2A: Kuemper vs. Albia, Waukon vs. Sioux Center (this one would have been pretty good, too)
Class 3A: Heelan vs. Clear Lake, Solon vs. Washington (this was how it played out, anyway)
Class 4A: Dowling vs. Bettendorf, Valley vs. Xavier

I could maybe see reseeding for the quarterfinals, where you could maybe split up teams like Waukee and Dowling last year. That would be a little trickier, but it could be doable. But just stick with the previous system for at least the first two rounds.
 
Just be glad that they haven't decided to move the semis and finals to Des Moines.
 
I would be ok with them reseeding teams after the 2nd round for the quarterfinals. At thsi point the teams that wont contend will be fairly well long and gone Even possibly do nuetral site games if we have to to keep travel times down.For example last year you could have went a completely different route with getting teams to the Dome. Here is how I would have had it played out in the round of 8 for example last year with fairly middle of the road locations for all games.

MMC vs Glidden Ralston @ Newell (NF)
Newell Fonda vs Don Bosco @ Blairsburg (NEH)
Exira EHK vs Adair Casey @ Anita (CAM)
Springville vs Wayne @ Victor (HLV)

I feel there will be some criticism with this but its just an option for them to do I would like to think to guarantee they would get the best 4 in there.
 
Seeding hasn't changed....still based on district finish. 1v4 & 2v3 in the first round, just with a little mystery on which 4s travel to 1s & 3s to 2s.
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