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EHS1505

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We'd better get used to this... it is coming:

Huron (0-8) at Yankton (8-0)

That's a 1st round "playoff" match-up in South Dakota tonight.

Notice the regular season record.

All teams will make the playoffs after an 8 game schedule. The trick the IAHSAA will have to figure out is who gets byes and how to get everything done before Thanksgiving still.
 
It's basically here NOW when teams with records of 2-7 and 3-6 make the playoffs. Watered down and lowering the bar ... and they wonder why we have problems in today's society.

This post was edited on 10/28 3:14 PM by dk47
 
Did a little research on the SDHSAA playoffs. 11AA has ten teams & Huron was the 8th best. So they qualified ahead of 1-7 Sturgis Brown & 0-8 Spearfish because playoff points include 3 points for each opponent's win. Sad but true, they "earned" their playoff spot on SOS.
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Originally posted by EHS1505:
We'd better get used to this... it is coming:

Huron (0-8) at Yankton (8-0)

That's a 1st round "playoff" match-up in South Dakota tonight.

Notice the regular season record.

All teams will make the playoffs after an 8 game schedule. The trick the IAHSAA will have to figure out is who gets byes and how to get everything done before Thanksgiving still.
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Then it will be just like baseball and basketball. No big deal.
 
Originally posted by paxregis:
Did a little research on the SDHSAA playoffs. 11AA has ten teams & Huron was the 8th best. So they qualified ahead of 1-7 Sturgis Brown & 0-8 Spearfish because playoff points include 3 points for each opponent's win. Sad but true, they "earned" their playoff spot on SOS.
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You better keep quiet, someone may over hear those numbers of ribbons they are handing out afterwards.
 
Originally posted by EHS1505:
All teams will make the playoffs after an 8 game schedule. The trick the IAHSAA will have to figure out is who gets byes and how to get everything done before Thanksgiving still.
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Everyone in Minnesota makes the playoffs.

8-game schedule.
All teams qualify for "sectionals".
2-3 rounds of sectional games (depending on byes).
3 games of "state".
Finish on the weekend before Thanksgiving.
 
They have seven classes for football there, also, so they have a much bigger CF on their hands. Four classes of 11-man and three classes of 9-man in a state of less than 1,000,000 people is a bigger mess than we have with some 2-7 teams in the playoffs.
 
Wow, this guy said something really newsworthy...it's the same stuff that myself and about 40 other posters have been saying on this site for two years plus. Because this guy has a camera and a television hook-up this is news? Go to the back of the line, we've HAD this covered.
 
I agree screwloose. Never meant to imply it was earth shattering...It's just that his forum is a larger one to address this facade.
 
Originally posted by paxregis:
Did a little research on the SDHSAA playoffs. 11AA has ten teams & Huron was the 8th best. So they qualified ahead of 1-7 Sturgis Brown & 0-8 Spearfish because playoff points include 3 points for each opponent's win. Sad but true, they "earned" their playoff spot on SOS.
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Thanks for looking into it. I live 4 miles from SD and didn't bother to look it up. I just saw "0-8" and figured there would be no way that they didn't qualify ALL teams because how do you rank teams with no wins.... apparently SD figured it out and not only can you separate no win teams, you can rank them ahead of teams with wins....... interesting.


I get the comparison that everyone makes the "post-season" in pretty much every other sport and I think if it were presented the same way as those "post-seasons" it might go a long way to alleviate a lot of the animosity towards it...
 
The watering down has been happening for a couple of years. Nothing too new here. Sad to see this entitlement philosophy trickle in to HS sports.
 
I remember the state use to to make home travel 2nd round if there opponent traveled in the first round i think that would some of the traveling for a lot of teams and if both teams traveled or played at home then they went by seed or alphabet. still not a bad idea.
 
You're wrong on this one, Kid.

The state would make a team who played at home in the First Round travel to a team who played on the road, for the Quarterfinals. If both teams were at home or both were on the road, the team with the better playoff points would get to host.

In the Semifinals, if one team had traveled twice and the other had not traveled or only traveled once, the team who had traveled twice was host for the Semifinal game.

There was also a provision included that teams who played within their metropolitan area, were both considered home.
-- DM East, DM Hoover, DM North, DM Lincoln, DM Roosevelt, Johnston, Southeast Polk, Urbandale, WDM Dowling, WDM Valley(Ankeny may have been included also, but I don't think they were)
-- SC East, SC Heelan, SC North, SC West
-- CB Jefferson, CB Lincoln
-- CR Jefferson, CR Kennedy, CR Prairie, CR Washington, CR Xavier, Linn-Mar Marion
-- Cedar Falls, Wat East, Wat West
-- Dub Hempstead, Dub Senior, Dub Wahlert
-- IC High, IC West
-- Bettendorf, Dav Assumption, Dav Central, Dav North, Dav West, North Scott, Pleasant Valley

The following were unaffected by the metro rule.
-- Ames, Ankeny, Burlington, Clinton, Fort Dodge, Indianola, Marshalltown, Mason City, Muscatine, Newton, Ottumwa
 
Screwloose...the state association here(TN) is going to 32 team large class 6A class too..everyone gets in
The best teams get home field throughout the playoffs so they are looking for large gates.
2015-2016. However it looks like they are staying with their combined class districts
 
Actually they are going to use their old 5 class region system for the schools outside of the 32 largest schools. They will split them up equally into 5 classes and align each class them by geographic regions in the regular season...
 
Originally posted by screwloose:
You're wrong on this one, Kid.

The state would make a team who played at home in the First Round travel to a team who played on the road, for the Quarterfinals. If both teams were at home or both were on the road, the team with the better playoff points would get to host.

In the Semifinals, if one team had traveled twice and the other had not traveled or only traveled once, the team who had traveled twice was host for the Semifinal game.
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Not to be too jerky about it, but isn't that what I said? At least it's what I meant, as far as "third round" equals "quarterfinals" since 2008. Prior to that I guess the quarters were actually the second round, weren't they.

I remember this rule, and the "metro" qualifier you mention, because it affected Xavier at least in 2009. The Saints went 7-2, hosted the first round against Pleasant Valley, then had to travel to higher-seeded Linn-Mar for the second round. They blew out the Lions for a big revenge win, and had undefeated Clinton for the quarterfinal round, who had played at home the first two rounds. Xavier was on the road at LM so they get to host, right? Nope, Marion was considered a "home" game because of the metro-area provision. Xavier had to travel, and gave Clinton and David Johnson a pretty good thumping.

Personally I'm okay with the change to having the higher seed host. Although I see the financial/concession side of it, it seemed a little too generous to give a lower seed that happened to win their way to the quarters a beneficial home game.
 
Looking around a little more, yep, prior to 2008 the second round was the quarterfinal. In those days, it would have meant a team that went on the road and won the first game would get to host the second (quarterfinal) game, unless both teams had traveled, then it went back to point seeding.

In 2008 with the addition of another round, both first and second round home fields went by seeding. The third (quarterfinal) game was where the state balanced travel. If one team had been on the road more than the other in the first two rounds, they were given the home game for round three.

Naturally the metro-area provision applied.

I think it was 2012, when they went to "divisions" for 4A on the west side of the state, that they scrapped the whole travel-balancing notion and went to straight seeding for deciding home field for all non-Dome playoff games.

So can't we both be right, like the late Earl Warren? (Homer Simpson reference there)
 
I didn't consider your thought about quarters actually being the second round. Again, you're showing your age, Kid. Luckily on iowapreps, you can't show you hairline like you do on Facebook...hahaha! So, yes, we're both right.
 
Hey, some of us are old enough to remember when district football started AND still have all our hair👱😄
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I'm glad people figured out we can fix our big societal issues by going back to the old high school playoff system. We better really get after the IHSAA ASAP if this is what our world and nation needs!
 
In all honesty, what would be wrong with a 8 game regular season, then start the post season, and not call "making it to state" until the round of 8? It would be like any other sport that allows all teams to have a shot at post-season play-without calling it qualifying for state? And I wouldn't consider this the "all trophy tournament" mentality. There are blowouts in the first round of bball and baseball, what is the problem with this in fball? I realize there are bye's in those sports, so come up with a similar format for fball. I guess I don't have a big problem with them being "consistent."
 
Originally posted by iceland:
I'm glad people figured out we can fix our big societal issues by going back to the old high school playoff system. We better really get after the IHSAA ASAP if this is what our world and nation needs!
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There is no room for keeping things in perspective when talking about high school athletics...
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I do think we have too much "give everyone a ribbon" going on in our country, but it is far larger than 32 of 46 qualifying for Iowa High School playoffs. Starts in early childhood via soft parenting/instant gratifications and culminates in adults working what used to be high school age jobs demanding $15 an hour.


Edited to 32 of 46... thanks for the heads up!

This post was edited on 11/3 1:44 PM by EHS1505
 
Originally posted by EHS1505:

Originally posted by iceland:
I'm glad people figured out we can fix our big societal issues by going back to the old high school playoff system. We better really get after the IHSAA ASAP if this is what our world and nation needs!
Click to expand...
There is no room for keeping things in perspective when talking about high school athletics...
wink.r191677.gif


I do think we have too much "give everyone a ribbon" going on in our country, but it is far larger than 32 of 48 qualifying for Iowa High School playoffs. Starts in early childhood via soft parenting/instant gratifications and culminates in adults working what used to be high school age jobs demanding $15 an hour.
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This +1
 
Re: Iowa Playoff Future[/URL]se xc1 posted on 11/3/2014...
In all honesty, what would be wrong with a 8 game regular season, then start the post season, and not call "making it to state" until the round of 8? It would be like any other sport that allows all teams to have a shot at post-season play-without calling it qualifying for state? And I wouldn't consider this the "all trophy tournament" mentality. There are blowouts in the first round of bball and baseball, what is the problem with this in fball? I realize there are bye's in those sports, so come up with a similar format for fball. I guess I don't have a big problem with them being "consistent."



The reason why the state won't go to an 8 game schedule comes down to once again.... MONEY!! Schools will complain that you are taking away a home game gate from them (every other year). The state won't want to give up that gate either. Nobody would be happy.
 
Something to ponder, thought-experiment wise ...

The idea has been floated of a 24-team playoff, at least for 4A. District winners get a first round bye, then play the winners of the 2v3 games in the second round. This would reduce the playoff field to just over 50% of the class, and give district champs an edge for winning their district.

This won't happen for a couple of reasons. The state loses out on 16 gates. Plus, the IAHSAA has made it crystal clear that they believe bye weeks are too much of an unfair advantage, and they will never implement a system including byes.

But if it did - and if the state just went to the top three finishers in each district - Kennedy still gets in at 2-7. Des Moines Lincoln would be in at 4-5. Meanwhile, Sioux City East (6-3) and Indianola (5-4) would stay home. So this is where screwloose's idea comes into play - take the top two finishers, then determine the final eight by some kind of point system. You may still run into a problem of docking teams playing competition a class below (example:Sioux City East, for one - even Dowling played a 3A team this year), but maybe creating a new point system will solve that.

Meanwhile, if you went back to 16 teams this year, nine teams with winning records would be staying home, including four with 6-3 records. In Class 3A twelve teams with winning records would miss the playoffs, including 7-2 Gilbert. In 2A eleven teams with winning records would miss out, six of them at 6-3. In 1A it's 13 winning teams, three of them at 7-2. Class A has 13 winning teams that would miss, one at 7-2 and six at 6-3. Eight player would have a whopping 17 teams with winning records stay home, including one at 8-1 and five 7-2 teams.

So the playoff expansion has allowed 36 teams with 6 wins or more to make the postseason who would not have with only 16 qualifiers (including 10 with 7 wins and 8-1 Graettinger-Terril), while 24 teams with losing records got in. Are eleven teams with 7+ wins worth allowing in 24 with 4 wins or fewer? I suppose that's the real question.

This post was edited on 11/3 12:43 PM by KidSilverhair

This post was edited on 11/3 12:44 PM by KidSilverhair
 
DM Lincoln had a 3-6 regular season record and would not have gotten in ... Council Bluffs Lincoln would have since the were the #3 finisher in that district with a record of 4-5.

This post was edited on 11/4 8:42 AM by dk47
 
Originally posted by ISUChip:


Originally posted by EHS1505:
All teams will make the playoffs after an 8 game schedule. The trick the IAHSAA will have to figure out is who gets byes and how to get everything done before Thanksgiving still.
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Everyone in Minnesota makes the playoffs.

8-game schedule.
All teams qualify for "sectionals".
2-3 rounds of sectional games (depending on byes).
3 games of "state".
Finish on the weekend before Thanksgiving.
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Actually, Minnesota's Prep Bowl is played in the Metrodome the weekend after Thanksgiving.
 
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