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Pleasant Valley | 1264 | 9.31 | 0.093 | 1216.9 |
Private schools do have FRL. It is a surprise to people that some private schools have lots of poorer kids. (I have no idea regarding Xavier.) Look at the percentage of students getting STO money at a school and you get some hint of the income profile of the students. Not perfect, but give you some direction of how many FRL students there would be. A couple of years ago a Catholic elementary school in Dubuque had such a high percentage of students FRL eligible (>75%) the Federal Government put everyone in the school into the Free Lunch program. Was easier administratively.I could be wrong, but I wouldn't think parochial schools would have free & reduced lunch subsidized by the state. Therefore their BEDS number wouldn't change with this amendment. This could finally be an equalizer many have been asking for for years. I read on here all the time that "Catholic schools should play up a class" or "Catholic schools should play in their own division".
I just randomly picked 2 schools with similar BEDS numbers (1 private, 1 public), CR Xavier 460 and Webster City 447.
If Xavier doesn't have free & reduced lunch then their number would stay 460, but a team like Webster City would factor in FRL. I have no idea what WC's free & reduced lunch percentage is, but let's just say it's 28% (447 x .28 = 125) (125 x .4= 50 students) So Webster City wouldn't be 447, they'd actually be 397 for a BEDS number.
The private schools and affluent communities will stay at/near their actual enrollment numbers and the lower socioeconomic schools will have their BEDS numbers lowered.
Not quite. They're at 9.31%. .093 is the decimal needed in order to have the spreadsheet multiply correctly.
Pleasant Valley 1264 9.31 0.093 1216.9
Wow, less than 1% free reduced lunch rate! I had no idea PV was that kind of rich.
The private schools should play up or have some type of multiplier. Why?I could be wrong, but I wouldn't think parochial schools would have free & reduced lunch subsidized by the state. Therefore their BEDS number wouldn't change with this amendment. This could finally be an equalizer many have been asking for for years. I read on here all the time that "Catholic schools should play up a class" or "Catholic schools should play in their own division".
I just randomly picked 2 schools with similar BEDS numbers (1 private, 1 public), CR Xavier 460 and Webster City 447.
If Xavier doesn't have free & reduced lunch then their number would stay 460, but a team like Webster City would factor in FRL. I have no idea what WC's free & reduced lunch percentage is, but let's just say it's 28% (447 x .28 = 125) (125 x .4= 50 students) So Webster City wouldn't be 447, they'd actually be 397 for a BEDS number.
The private schools and affluent communities will stay at/near their actual enrollment numbers and the lower socioeconomic schools will have their BEDS numbers lowered.
So segregate?I honestly think they would accomplish more by creating a separate Urban league where teams from Council Bluffs (2), Sioux City (West and North, 2), Des Moines (5), Waterloo (2), Cedar Rapids (Jeff and Wash, 2), Ottumwa, Marshalltown, Davenport (3), Burlington, Muscatine, etc and get to 32 teams who would get to play against teams which historically have the same challenges the others do. That's where the potential impact would be greatest.
I don’t think it’s as simple as you believe. Some public schools don’t have that program either while some share (send students to) with neighboring school districts who have the program (facilities, staff etc.) in place.The private schools should play up or have some type of multiplier. Why?
What % of the private school’s BEDs are Special Ed? Yep, next to nothing. Now compare that to every public school and you will see the clear advantage of the private schools.
For those struggling with participation rates, won’t it help them if they play 8-man? Yes, it’s different, but should help them.Your not going to see as many changes as what people think as far as classifacations in the larger schools, remember all classes start from the top down so by the time you get to class A the last of the 11 man game that is where you will see most changes. What this is going to do is force the small school communities to have to chose between 11 man and 8 man. This will not be good for small school communities.
It will never be perfect and there will always be someone complaining. Might be a reason why a second class of 8-man is added.Trout is right, this isn’t going to do a damn thing for the 5A Des Moines teams or the teams like Perry. It wouldn’t matter if Perry came all the way down to 1A…they’re not going to make the playoffs and wouldn’t win too many games. They have to figure out a way to get kids to play the game in their community, and until they do that, they won’t be good.
I counted 24 teams from the document above that will now be eligible to move down to 8 man because of this FRL multiplier. Not saying they’ll all move down, but that will destroy class A. You’ll now end up with BEDS OF 123 plying a school with a BEDS of 200. Not going to be pretty in a few years, and then we’ll have to complain about how someone else has it rough and try to figure out a way to “make it fair” for them.
What does diversity have to do with it? It’s socioeconomic.i dont really see what pupose this does...other than reduces everyones bed numbers..its useless as far as i am concern.....maybe it would be good in states that have more diverse population
I dont believe that their will be two classes of 8 man this coming rotation but I do think that they will incorporate the socio formula this coming year but will lower the bed cap of 8 man from 120 to probably like 110 -112 hard cap. This will still keep most of the 8 man teams 8 man and yet let in a few more. I do think that most teams in 11 man that would have the 8 man option will stay playing 11 man for the next two years. If they come back and two years and eliminate class A then you may see more teams take advantage of it. I just dont see a ST Ansger or a West Hancock going 8 man when enrollment wise they probably could.It will never be perfect and there will always be someone complaining. Might be a reason why a second class of 8-man is added.
Why should they be exempted from this new rule if it is such a good idea?I doubt they do this, because too often they don’t fully finish good ideas in my opinion. But 8 man needs to be for schools with actual enrollments under 120, not a reduced number under 120.
I really don’t think the focus was on 8 man when this socioeconomic thing came about a few years ago, I think everyone thought by doing this it would help the schools like the Des Moines metro and some of the larger schools be more competitive but basically even this will keep them pretty much in the same class but would probably force a Dowling to stay in the largest class witch they should be anyway. I just think this formula is a two year trial as that’s why you see it only being used for football and not other sports and then if they feel it helps then they make major changes. I just don’t see it getting more kids to play football in any class.Why should they be exempted from this new rule if it is such a good idea?
Sounds like coaches and the IHSAA think more schools should be eligible for 8 man because of poverty.
I'm not 100% sure this is coming directly from the IHSAA, I'm hearing its coming from above them. No matter what they decide to do the thing they must do in put a hard cap on 8 man enrollment and not let teams get waivers like they have been and Yes I know some of those schools have influence since they are higher ups in the coaches assoc, and I think everyone knows who I'm talking about.This is how they are attempting to show they are doing something. Nobody knows if it really will make it better or worse. But, coaches wouldn't stop complaining, so the IHSAA tried to respond.
But, mostly the same schools will continue to win and lose, so people won't really be happy, and we'll see the loudest coaches ask for something else in a couple of years to help THEIR school win.