Des Moines Hoover

[mtdew_fever]

I thought I'd give some props to Des Moines Hoover's football team as their coaching staff has done an unbelieveable job changing the face of that school's program. Using bcmoore's website, it doesn't look like Hoover has won 4 games in a season since the 1994 season....and a few of those wins were by forfeit.

This year's team is 4-3 and should be favored in the next 2 games as well. I can't say any one of their 4 wins have been against a team above average, but that's besides the point.

Let's also remember, this is a school that went 6-84 between 2000-2009.

 

[iceland]

Nice to see one a DM Public school do well, I always cheer for them and have attended several of their games over the years. Hopefully the district set up helps them out, although I do think it is insane that a few of them don't play each other. One of the stupid things about the 4A districts.

 

[screwloose]

The fact Hoover and East don't play each other seems awfully dumb, especially when the district format still allows it to be possible.

 

[paxregis]

It is kind of odd that East/Hoover is the only intracity game not played this cycle. Lincoln is in their district, but North, Roosevelt & Urbandale are all close neighbors for the Huskies.
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[screwloose]

Anybody In Polk County is close as far as some schools travel is concerned. The Hoover/Waterloo East match-up made and still makes no sense. Unless there was some kind of history between them back in the 50s or 60s that I never heard about.

 

[paxregis]

Yes, there are lots of teams in Polk county, but Roosevelt & North are long-standing rivals, since Hoover opened in 1968. Also, Urbandale is just down Aurora Ave from Hoover.
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[screwloose]

I didn't realize the Aurora Avenue connection. Still, Hoover had four non-division opponents, the state SHOULD have made them the other three public schools in addition to Urbandale. You agree with that?

 

[paxregis]

Ideally, yes, but whoever put the schedules together had a 475 piece puzzle to fill all the non-district slots in 11-man. Some 4A schools taking advantage of district qualifying to play 3A/2A teams makes the job more difficult. If 4A was a closed system, I'm sure that they could have made a Hoover/East matchup work.
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[franky1967]

The common opponent from Des Moines for Waterloo from late 50's to mid 60's happened to be Des Moines East.
From 1961-1967 DM was in the Big 6 those teams in that Conference were:

DM East
Wat. West
Wat. East
Ft. Dodge
Mason City
Cedar Falls

However Cedar Falls and DM East never met on the football field for some reason.

It's almost like CF playing Urbandale. Other than they requested to play each other didn't make a lot of sense.

 

[screwloose]

Honestly, to say that the state has a 475-piece puzzle to put together is a cop out for them. I don't have near the computer programming, tools or time the boys in Boone could dedicate to creating a schedule, but I could do it. Yes, I could do it for every school in the state. And I could do it for a lot less than the salaries they're giving themselves.

For one, their districts set-ups are cookie-cutter. Teams are slotted into a position and their schedule is automatically created. Two, the trickiest part to the schedule is keeping multiple games being played on the same field on the same night. As far as I know, that is exclusively a 4a/3A problem, and I've put together mock schedules the last two times they've redistricted with no issues. I realize I have a knack for it more than 99.9% of the population, but for me, it's easy.

I went through the schedule last night and identified every teams "protected" rivalry opponents in like about minutes. Surely, there are other posters in here who are savvy enough they could do the same. Like franky posted, short of requesting something completely different, I don't see how the state can mess up something like Hoover and East & Kennedy and Prairie not playing each other.

 

[zmac328]

They've got a good group of kids (Larsen, Roby, Snider, Preston, Thedford, etc) that worked their tails off during the offseason with lifting and 7 on 7 work. It's rare to see that many kids on the same team with an extreme level of work ethic. Good for them. They've earned the recognition.

 

[zmac328]

I've got a question:



Say Hoover loses to Lincoln this Friday, we'd have a three-way tie for 3rd place in District 3 between CBAL, Hoover, and Lincoln. Who gets the #3 and #4 spots to go to the playoffs. How do they go about deciding who makes it to the substate round and who goes home? Overall record?

 

[ORSKY1]

Determining the district third place team:
1. The team with the 3rd fewest district losses will be the district third place team.
2. If a tie exists between 2 schools for the district third place team, head to head competition will be used, loser will be the district fourth place team.
3. If a tie exists between 3 or more schools for the district third place team, and one school defeated the others head to head, they will be the district third place team.
4. If a tie exists between 3 or more schools for the district third place team, and all teams have defeated Each other:
a. The 13 point tie breaker (using plus and minus points of district games divided by the total number of games played within the district) will decide the district third place team. The team with the highest tiebreaker average will be the district third place team. The team with the second highest tiebreaker average will be the district fourth place team.
b. If a 2-way tie exists among the highest tiebreaker average:
(1) Head to Head competition will be used, team with highest tiebreaker will be district third place team.
c. If a 3-way tie exists among the highest tiebreaker average:
(1) Alphabetical system-FIRST alphabetical will be the qualifier(s) in 2014.
V. Determining the district fourth place team:
1. The team with the 4th fewest district losses will be the district fourth place team.
2. If a tie exists between 2 schools for the district fourth place team, head to head competition will be used, loser will be out.
3. If a tie exists between 3 or more schools for the district fourth place team, and one school defeated the others head to head, they will be the district fourth place team.
4. If a tie exists between 3 or more schools for the district fourth place team, and all teams have defeated Each other:
a. The 13 point tie breaker (using plus and minus points of district games divided by the total number of games played within the district) will decide the district fourth place team. The team with the highest tiebreaker average will be the district fourth place team.
b. If a 2-way tie exists among the highest tiebreaker average:
(1) Head to Head competition will be used, team with highest tiebreaker will be district fourth place team.
c. If a 3-way tie exists among the highest tiebreaker average:
(1) Alphabetical system-FIRST alphabetical will be the qualifier(s) in 2014
Link: http://www.iahsaa.org/category/football/

 

[dk47]

Now that DM Lincoln beat DM Hoover in District 3, it looks like after next week we could end up with those two in addition to Council Bluffs Lincoln in a 3-way tie with records of 2-3. Since they all have beaten each other, how does this play out with the 13 pt tiebreaker? And what should we be looking for (score wise) next week?

 

[zmac328]

According to the "13 point rule", CBAL would be the #3 seed, DM Lincoln would be the #4 seed, and Hoover would be out.

 

[dk47]

Question zmac, would things change with a large Valley victory over DM Lincoln next week coupled with a substantial Hoover win over SC West? Does this change any type of point differential that could eventually 'flip' Lincoln and Hoover in respect to playoff qualifying?

 

[zmac328]

No. Even if Hoover wins by 70 and Lincoln loses by 70, Lincoln is still in.


I believe here is how it works. They take the three tied schools (CBAL, Hoover, Lincoln) and they do the "13 point" rule. They take the district scores from the three schools. The score differentiation can go no higher than +13 and no lower than -13. So here's how it works:


Lincoln:
CBAL -12
SC West +13
Centennial -13
Hoover +13
Valley let's say -13

Final total: -12


Hoover:
Valley -13
Centennial -13
CBAL +1
Lincoln -13
SC West let's say +13

Final total: -25


CBAL:
Lincoln +12
Valley -13
Hoover -1
SC West +13
Centennial -13

Final total: -2


There you have it.

 

[dk47]

Very good. Thanks!