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This may be the most wide open 2A field I can remember. It just doesn't seem like there are any one or two teams that stand out and that anyone can beat anyone else. Who is everyone picking in the first games?

Treynor vs Wapello
South Hamilton vs Aplington-Parkersburg
Sheldon vs Kuemper Catholic
Van Meter vs Cascade

I'll take Treynor, South Hamilton, Kuemper, and Van Meter. I could easily get all of those wrong though with how tightly contested this field should be.
 
I'll say Treynor, A-P, Kuemper, and Cascade. I only know anything about the first two matchups. Should all be good games
 
Treynor vs Wapello
South Hamilton vs Aplington-Parkersburg
Sheldon vs Kuemper Catholic
Van Meter vs Cascade

Seems like everyone is picking Kuemper based on their upset of Western.
They did it by shooting 10-15 from the 3 point line, something that probably won't be repeated (and they still needed Western to go 2-16 and miss most of their FT's).
 
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theocia said:
Treynor vs Wapello
South Hamilton vs Aplington-Parkersburg
Sheldon vs Kuemper Catholic
Van Meter vs Cascade

Seems like everyone is picking Kuemper based on their upset of Western.
They did it by shooting 10-15 from the 3 point line, something that probably won't be repeated (and they still needed Western to go 2-16 and miss most of their FT's).
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I took Kuemper just because I hate Sheldon. If I was picking with my head you are right Sheldon should be the favorite. Western shot horribly and still was in the game, if they would have shot just decently they could have won it. Kuemper's defense needs to get some credit for that but Sheldon will probably not leave 15 points at the free throw line like Western did. Sheldon is very good team and will give Kuemper all they can handle if not more.
 
sarcastico said:
I took Kuemper just because I hate Sheldon. If I was picking with my head you are right Sheldon should be the favorite. Western shot horribly and still was in the game, if they would have shot just decently they could have won it. Kuemper's defense needs to get some credit for that but Sheldon will probably not leave 15 points at the free throw line like Western did. Sheldon is very good team and will give Kuemper all they can handle if not more.
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Hate is a pretty strong word. Sheldon will run the table. No one will get within 10 pts.
 
HawkI8387 said:
Hate is a pretty strong word. Sheldon will run the table. No one will get within 10 pts.
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Yeah, hate might be a little strong. Isn't really even true anymore as we hardly play each other now. Back when I was in High School it was though, I can remember some intense games. I can remember some fights in the parking lot after those games as well. Western-Sheldon really was one of the best rivalries in the state.
 
sarcastico said:
Yeah, hate might be a little strong. Isn't really even true anymore as we hardly play each other now. Back when I was in High School it was though, I can remember some intense games. I can remember some fights in the parking lot after those games as well. Western-Sheldon really was one of the best rivalries in the state.
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From the talk around the Siouxland, Sheldon was REALLY hoping the Wolfpack would have made it to DM this year. Would have been fun to see that match up on the big stage. Darn you Kuemper Catholic. Well, at least you have BCMoore.
 
I honestly have no clue but I will say one thing: I don't understand how Wapello is the #8 seed. I understand they don't play a great schedule, but one loss is one loss, especially with how much they win by. My guess it Kuemper must be pretty strong if they didn't get the 8 seed with all those losses, and they beat WC. So with that...


Wapello
A-P
Van Meter
Kuemper

Wapello
Kuemper

Kuemper

Going with the 7-8 match up without knowing much about anything.
 
Treynor vs Wapello
South Hamilton vs Aplington-Parkersburg
Sheldon vs Kuemper Catholic
Van Meter vs Cascade
 
HawkI8387 said:
From the talk around the Siouxland, Sheldon was REALLY hoping the Wolfpack would have made it to DM this year. Would have been fun to see that match up on the big stage. Darn you Kuemper Catholic. Well, at least you have BCMoore.
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No one but Western fans hope to see them make the state tourney. They have a bad habit of winning it all when they show up.
:p
I watched Western, Sheldon, & Sioux Center play several times this year.
Very even.
I'd pick Western to win a 3 game series with either, but toss-up on a single game.
 
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Our semifinals are now set;

Treynor vs Aplington-Parkersburg
Sheldon vs Cascade

I think Treynor and A-P match up pretty well. Both teams have some good size and very athletic guards. A-P seems to always play on the verge of being out of control and hope they can get their opponents to play the same. It worked against South Hamilton but I don't think it will against Treynor. Their guards were good ball handlers and played very composed, even when Wapella started pressing and trapping. I'll take Treynor in a close one.

I think the best two teams from the quarters were on the bottom half of the bracket. Sheldon looked tremendous against Kuemper. They have a legit inside-outside game and are not dependent on any one player to score. They just dominated in the post and have a bevy of guards who can all shoot. If Auen didn't get crazy hot from 3 it would have been a blowout early. This might be the best Cascade team I have seen at state. Their 2-3 is crazy active and caused Van Meter all sorts of problems. They also are very balanced on offense and we're just red hot from 3. I'm have my doubts they can keep shooting over 50% from 3 though. I think they will give Sheldon a game but if Sheldon plays like they did Monday I don't think anyone in 2A can beat them.
 
theocia said:
.....I watched Western, Sheldon, & Sioux Center play several times this year. Very even.
I'd pick Western to win a 3 game series with either, but toss-up on a single game.
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Maybe.
IMO, Jacob Vis is the best post player in 2A, but Western was lacking on offensive weapons this year.
That lack of O is why we're watching from home this year.

I really like watching Kleinhessilink from Sheldon play. Boerhave is a match-up headache for most teams as well. Van Marel is a great space-eater with good hands underneath. Cascade is just fundamentally sound, and had a good shooting performance.
I'll take the winner of Sheldon/Cascade to win it all.
 
theocia said:
No one but Western fans hope to see them make the state tourney. They have a bad habit of winning it all when they show up.
:p
I watched Western, Sheldon, & Sioux Center play several times this year.
Very even.
I'd pick Western to win a 3 game series with either, but toss-up on a single game.
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Sheldon already won the 3 game series with Sioux Center, and then dismantled Kuemper who had just dismantled Western. How anyone can say Western is better than Sheldon at this point just doesn't make sense.
 
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HawkI8387 said:
Sheldon already won the 3 game series with Sioux Center, and then dismantled Kuemper who had just dismantled Western. How anyone can say Western is better than Sheldon at this point just doesn't make sense.
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I understand what he is saying. The transitive property seldom applies to sports. Western beat Heelan and Heelan beat Kuemper, yet Kuemper beat Western. Western played very poorly against Kuemper. Cold from the outside and left a pile of points at the Free throw line. He said in a 3 game series against them he thinks Western would win at least two. You have to take coaching, strategy, etc into account in a 3 game series, more than in a one time shot. Take nothing away from Kuemper, they deserved to win that game and they played very well when it counted.
 
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Cascade doing Cascade things. Holding Sheldon to just 19 first half points. Leading by 9 at the half, 28-19. Biggest Cascade lead has been 14.
 
For some reason Sheldon came out in this sagging defense just daring Cascade to shoot, which they did and did quite well. A weird coaching decision that backfired big time. Sheldon have dug themselves quite the hole. Not sure if they will be able to get out of it against this tremendous Cascade defense.
 
It's Cascade's defense that wins them games. Not typically their shooting. They're doing both pretty well at the moment though. Currently up 23 in the 4th quarter.
 
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It's Cascade's lack of offense that has kept them from winning a championship in years past. This year might be different though if they can keep shooting like this. I have seen many a Cascade team down at state but this is the best one. I think this might be the year they finally finish the job. Treynor will not go easy though. Should be a great championship game.
 
Great game. Cascade 65- 43 over Sheldon. Maybe Cascade's best team since a little point guard named Gary Dolphin (Voice of the Hawkeyes) was playing for this Dubuque County town of good souls. Actually, almost every Cascade team in the last decade or two was better than Gary's team....
 
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Regina played Cascade down to the wire, losing by 4 after a couple late free throws. Gave them their closest and best game of the post season so far. Would have been nice to see that game on the State court.
 
sarcastico said:
For some reason Sheldon came out in this sagging defense just daring Cascade to shoot, which they did and did quite well.
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Cascade was ~35% for the year coming in. 32% guy goes 3/5. 27% guy goes 3/5.

But, you can't win many games when the other team makes 12 three-pointers at >50%.

Hope the Orabs can get back up for the quick turnaround third-place game.
 
ISUChip said:
Cascade was ~35% for the year coming in. 32% guy goes 3/5. 27% guy goes 3/5.

But, you can't win many games when the other team makes 12 three-pointers at >50%.

Hope the Orabs can get back up for the quick turnaround third-place game.
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Good point. Sheldon gambled that Cascade would not be able to keep their hot shooting touch from the first game and it didn't work out. I still would have pulled out of that defense earlier when it was clear Cascade still had the shooting touch. With both of Sheldon's bigs on the court at the same time it created a mismatch for them on offense but also was a liability on defense as they struggled guarding Cascades bevy of guards. It cost them some early points. By the time they corrected things they were down and started to rush things on offense a bit trying to catch up which played right into Cascade's hands. Cascade is just playing fantastic basketball right now and if they can do that for one more game I don't see how Treynor can beat them. It will be hard to shoot that high above your percentages for a third straight game though.
 
Cascade is doing what they've done all season.
They are scoring at their average pace, averaging 59.7 points/game on the season. They scored 60 on Van Meter and 65 on Sheldon.

Cascade's defense allows an average of 42.5 points/game. They gave up 47 to Van Meter and 43 to Sheldon.

They don't need to shoot particularly well to win, the key will be can their opponent even get to 50 and get them out of their comfort zone? So far no one has.
 
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Pinehawk said:
Cascade is doing what they've done all season.
They are scoring at their average pace, averaging 59.7 points/game on the season. They scored 60 on Van Meter and 65 on Sheldon.

Cascade's defense allows an average of 42.5 points/game. They gave up 47 to Van Meter and 43 to Sheldon.

They don't need to shoot particularly well to win, the key will be can their opponent even get to 50 and get them out of their comfort zone? So far no one has.
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No they are not. They didn't even shoot close to over 50% from three all season, which is what they are doing at state. While I agree they don't need to shoot well to get wins the fact is it is most definitely why they have rolled these last two games. Due to their hot shooting they have been able to put the pressure on other teams to score which has then forced their opposition to panic and make mistakes against their zone. The key to beating that 2-3 is to be patient, take your time, and don't rush into bad shots. Teams have not had that luxury due to Cascade's barrage of 3's. If they fall back to their season averages for shooting this last game Treynor very well could walk away with the win in a close one.
 
Pinehawk said:
Cascade is doing what they've done all season.
They are scoring at their average pace, averaging 59.7 points/game on the season. They scored 60 on Van Meter and 65 on Sheldon.

Cascade's defense allows an average of 42.5 points/game. They gave up 47 to Van Meter and 43 to Sheldon.

They don't need to shoot particularly well to win, the key will be can their opponent even get to 50 and get them out of their comfort zone? So far no one has.
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Yep. Cascade shut Treynor down like everyone else. If not for a hot three point shooting streak by Treynor in the 3rd quarter it would have been a bigger blowout.
North RVC Champ Cascade and South RVC Champ Regina actually played the closest post season game for Cascade this season. Poor district assignments prevented a better Championship match up.

Congrats to Cascade! Great win. Well deserved. Boys and girls Champions. Impressive.
 
Pinehawk said:
Yep. Cascade shut Treynor down like everyone else. If not for a hot three point shooting streak by Treynor in the 3rd quarter it would have been a bigger blowout.
North RVC Champ Cascade and South RVC Champ Regina actually played the closest post season game for Cascade this season. Poor district assignments prevented a better Championship match up.

Congrats to Cascade! Great win. Well deserved. Boys and girls Champions. Impressive.
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Give me a break. Regina wasn't going anywhere at state. You should have to play a decent team to get there. There are a few other schools who can say the same thing.
 
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Smalls4IA said:
Give me a break. Regina wasn't going anywhere at state. You should have to play a decent team to get there. There are a few other schools who can say the same thing.
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They can say they beat the team that gave the 2A state champions their only loss and gave them their closest game other than that team? Played them closer than any team at state did? Not a fan of the transitive property but they have a little more criteria to use it. There aren't 'a few' teams in 2A that can 'say the same thing'
 
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They can say they beat the team that gave the 2A state champions their only loss and gave them their closest game other than that team? Played them closer than any team at state did? Not a fan of the transitive property but they have a little more criteria to use it. There aren't 'a few' teams in 2A that can 'say the same thing'
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So Northeast Goose Lake got screwed too by your logic. How about Forest City? Two top 10 teams in the same district and didn't win their district. How about Garner? Had to play another top 10 school to go to state. How about Souix Center? Had to play a top 10 school to go to state. I bet Dunkerton thinks they got screwed by seeding in 1a. They beat the 3rd best team in 2a. Your logic is stupid and there are many teams who had a much tougher road. Winning at state is about matchups, getting hot, and a little bit of having the ball bounce your way. What Cascade was able to do down there is not transformative to other schools.
 
cidhawkeye said:
They can say they beat the team that gave the 2A state champions their only loss and gave them their closest game other than that team? Played them closer than any team at state did? Not a fan of the transitive property but they have a little more criteria to use it. There aren't 'a few' teams in 2A that can 'say the same thing'
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Meh. Based of years of experience, it doesn't work that way.
 
Smalls4IA said:
So Northeast Goose Lake got screwed too by your logic. How about Forest City? Two top 10 teams in the same district and didn't win their district. How about Garner? Had to play another top 10 school to go to state. How about Souix Center? Had to play a top 10 school to go to state. I bet Dunkerton thinks they got screwed by seeding in 1a. They beat the 3rd best team in 2a. Your logic is stupid and there are many teams who had a much tougher road. Winning at state is about matchups, getting hot, and a little bit of having the ball bounce your way. What Cascade was able to do down there is not transformative to other schools.
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Their season was ended by the state champion. So exactly the same but different, got it. Not looking for a moral victory just responding to factually inaccurate posts.
 
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I think the point being made is that everyone has to play tough games to get to state and transitive properties are pointless when talking about individual matchups. Cascade got crazy hot and shot well above their averages this week. They rode that to a state title. They are the champs and deservedly so. Regina playing them close in substate means absolutely nothing. You guys really want some moral victories and you can have them for yourselves, but no one else cares. You lost. That is the only fact that matters. Not complicated at all. Thanks for playing.
 
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